Originally Posted by Michigan Farmer (Post 2364757)

Recognition seems to be a growth inhibiter and makes no claim to control Wild Bermuda grass and only suppression of Torpedo Grass which is very similar to Wild Bermuda. Fusilate II is not labeled for residential lawns from what I can tell. Having said that I've been using it for several years and so you know it is not a one and done application. You'll get suppression and eventually control by applying it every 21 to 30 days for two to three years while not in dormancy and adding a surfactant to it. I like to use Mentholated Seed Oil.

Originally Posted by mntlblok (Post 2364675)

And a most logical embracement it would be. However, this zoysia in my front lawn areas here that *don't* have significant Bermuda infestation is just *so* wonderful that I must have it - if I can make it work without *too* much trouble. If you felt this stuff with your bare feet. . .

Originally Posted by NoMoSno (Post 2364835)

Originally Posted by nn0wheremann (Post 2364789)

Not all St Augustine is created equal. Some herbicides labled safe for St Augustine are also labled unsafe for the variety most commonly used here, called Flortam. It’s a mess.

Originally Posted by NoMoSno (Post 2364841)

https://www.thelawnforum.com/threads...89#post-527989
Good info. Thanks. Definitely sounds like you know your stuff. I shall attempt to keep learning.

Originally Posted by Luckytwo (Post 2364859)

I have been using this combination with reasonable success. I add a surfactant to the mix. I agree with previous post it is not one and done , but will need to be reapplied. The wild Bermuda is hard to kill due to deep stols underground. Additional, lawn care needed to promote thick healthy grass to strangle out weeds and Bermuda growth.
Pro tip. Dead spots must be removed completely before regrowth can occur. Instead of buying plugs. Use a donut cutter or a small shovel to cut out a round plug of grass from a nice area of your grass. Plant it in the bare area, cover it with soil and it will grow in. Fill the hole you cut out of with soil and the grass will grow back .
Water water water is the lifeblood of the grass here in the hot summer.

Originally Posted by Miboater (Post 2364791)

You can get Recognition along with Fusilade II online at domyown.com and it appears to be able to ship to Florida. Together it costs a little over $300 but I think it will last a while. I am considering getting this once I start doing my own lawn later this fall.

Originally Posted by mntlblok (Post 2364582)

It looks like there is a relatively new combination of herbicides available that is capable of controlling the Bermudagrass that mixes in with the Zoysia and St. Augustine lawns of the types here in The Villages. It's a combination of stuff called Fusilade II and Recognition.

My pest control/lawn guy doesn't offer it. The guru on YouTube (in the Tampa area) who's been documenting his use of it says the combination has been hard to come by, but that it should eventually become available at SiteOne Landscape Supply. There are two such stores located pretty close to each other over in Leesburg. Probably an interesting story behind that.


Anyway, curious to know if anybody has tried this combo or even been successful in finding the chemicals locally. I had looked into something similar a while back based on a different YouTube guru in NC, but it seemed that those herbicides couldn't be shipped to Florida - or something like that.

Comments on YT suggest that the volumes available for purchase might be more suitable as a "shared" purchase by several lawn fanatics.

Originally Posted by CoachKandSportsguy (Post 2364745)

Bermuda grass is used on golf courses, and of course the seeds fly in with the wind.
And yes, I got an infestation of torpedo grass, either I just call it all grass, or I spend lots of money because of mother nature and golf.

So i am choosing to spend time NOT using chemicals and am hand weeding the torpedo and inserting st augustine plugs in areas with lots of torpedo grass. As far as the bermuda, pfft, i let it grow because I am not spending thousands living in a golfing community and worrying about different grasses flying in from golf course creation.