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I served in the military to preserve people's rights to being vegans, Jehovah Witnesses, Republicans or Democrats.
I also served in the military to preserve my right to disregard any opinions I want. God bless America...what a country! |
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To be fair, I think the above description of a true vegan is simply that, a description of a true vegan. I believe it is an accurate description of someone who takes veganism all the way. But no where does it say that you must take it to that level. Obviously, no one can make anyone do anything. So why all the paranoia? As I see it, the five reasons to go vegan are simply five reasons and no one is compelled to adhere to all five reasons. Many people, like myself, call themselves vegans for reason #1. And that's it. Some people might choose reasons number 2 & 3 and not care about the others. Again, as I see it, this thread, in the opening post, put forth suggestions for those who might be interested. Those who are not interested have the option of moving along to the next thread. |
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Strange. I'm only posting this subject for those that care about their heath in the form of diet :mmmm: rather than pills meds and surgery. but I'm certainly not twisting anyone's arm, eat as you wish if you don't care. (don't let your scripts expire) But if you do I'll be happy to answer questions or refer to books etc. . |
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I would be interested in a club for vegetarians. Would be great to get some good receips.
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Well I think they may have meant, nothing with a face or don't eat anything that had a mother.
Now if U know of a mother pickle, than that's a different story.:shrug: |
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but that's a sour subject. |
Health Only One Reason in 5
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We started April '11 so about 20 months
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I'm not saying that one is right and one is wrong. In fact I am very confused because the evidence presented and results attained by both of these groups is impressive. I've tried the vegan thing for about three months and I've put on about 10 pounds. I've probably been too much into carbs like rice and pasta, but I find it very difficult to follow the green leafy vegetable diet. It takes a lot of time to make meals and eating out, in spite of what they say is pretty much impossible. I don't go to doctors anymore so I have no idea what my sugar and cholesterol numbers are. I'll probably go have them checked in January when my new insurance kicks in. They also say that reasonable alcohol consumption is fine. What is that? Is 2-3 beers a day reasonable? |
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No one ever reported that unless they didn't realize something in their diet was wrong. If I do set up a meeting you may want to attend, you are eating something very wrong. |
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Can someone that knows how to reserve a room in a rec center help arrange it? Or where ever else may work. |
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Like I said a lot of pasta, rice, quinoa with beans, corn and other vegetables. Lots of salad with lettuce, corn, beans, cucumber, celery, olives, beets, carrots and only balsamic vinegar as a dressing. Two or three beers a day. A bowl of very low sugar cereal with a banana and sometimes some blueberries and low fat, low sugar soy milk in the morning. |
What type of pasta?
What is on or in the pasta, Where's the veggies? I have beer, that isn't it. |
I make my own pasta sauce with no oil. I put onions, peppers,olives and mushrooms in it.
Veggies? Did you read my post? I listed everything that I put in my salads which I eat every day. I only buy whole wheat pasta and brown rice. Nothing enriched. The other thing about this way of living is that I'm hungry all the time. I eat lunch and want to eat again within 15 minutes. Then I want to eat again a few hours later. |
Spoke to my other half, all sounds ok, the one she pointed out to ask is what is this, "very low sugar cereal".
Also you may need to cut back on the pasta, and go with more veggies. I have other issues & questions but an open forum such as this is not the best place. We would be happy to meet you for a drink & discuss in detail several things. We don't mind taking our time for anyone that is truly interested as U seem to be in eating healthy. You are on the right track and I think there is some adjustments needed or foods to be replaced. I have some ingredients and dishes to get you quick start. I know this works, you will lose weight, you will decrease your soft plaque lower BP and have more energy, stick with it until we meet. Everyone on a plant based diet loses weight until they reach their correct BMI, then the weight is stable. I eat until I feel full, never hungry in 15 minutes, I bet I eat more than U. Hang in there when the bugs are worked out of the diet you should love it and may drop some or all of your meds. |
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Then there's the pasta, rice and corn. It's not reasonable to think that you can just eat unlimited amounts of starches. I measure all starches so that I consume no more than one serving of one starch per meal. In other words, one slice of bread is one serving. So if you have one slice of bread in a meal you shouldn't have any pasta, rice, potatoes or corn in the same meal. If you choose pasta, make it one serving and don't have any other starch with it. By the way, beer is a processed carbohydrate, is it not? So if you have a beer and lots of starchy carbs in one meal, you're asking for trouble. It's just not realistic to think that you can maintain a healthy weight this way. |
Not soo sure of that,
It may be something else, although you're not incorrect. |
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Anyway, if you're looking for a weight gain culprit, where do you look? You look at foods that are calorie dense like fats and carbs and these should be measured for that reason. The only thing I know of that can be eaten in unlimited amounts is non-starchy vegetables. Not looking for an argument, just trying to put things in a better perspective. |
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Oops. Misread the title. I thought it said 5 reasons to go to Vegas!
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How big is the "big salad"? Never assume you know how big big is when someone says big. Big to me is when I make a salad that fills up a whole salad bowl (not a cereal bowl). I would say my salad is about 10 half-cup servings and holds me until dinner time. Also, I use 1 teaspoon of olive oil and I suppose that helps keep me satisfied too. One cup of beans in the salad and a slice of Ezekiel bread with the salad. Another idea: When people decide to become vegans they may understand that they need B vitamins like B12. What if they decide to buy B complex instead of just B12? B complex may cause a person to get very hungry. Too hungry! That's what happened to me when I tried B complex many years ago. I had to stop taking this supplement after a short period of time. |
Several have for a meeting to ask questions and exchange ideas about a vegan diet I've been in touch with a few people to try arrange a meeting room for January.
If anyone know the people to contact please PM me. I was thinking about show first the movie Forks over Kneives, about 90 minutes, then have an open Q&A, those that have see the movie can come later. I know one of the patients that appeared in the movie, he lives in Tampa and does meeting such as these. Would anyone be interested in this? |
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Correction: I actually measured my last salad and it's not 8 half-cup servings. It's more like 10 to 11 half-cups. That includes the cup of beans.
Another idea to control weight: I only have a few ears of corn when corn is in season. I estimate about 6 to 8 ears of corn. I break them in half and only eat half an ear with a meal. Eating lots of corn is a fast way to gain weight. When I was a kid I lived on a farm and my brother told me that he would feed starches to the cattle when it was time to fatten them up for market. The main starches were corn, potatoes, grain and bread (he sometimes bought a truckload of stale bread for that purpose). Cattle can graze on pasture grass all day long, every day, and never fatten up. So think of a green (starch free) salad as being the grass. That's what you want to concentrate on. |
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For what it's worth! Just saw Hillary on news cable---obviously she is not on the same diet as Bill! I find the posts on this thread interesting but IMHO you should discuss major diet changes with your primary doctor BEFORE you participate in a diet that may or may not be beneficial to your overall health.
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Provided your doctor knows what the diet is, most don't or don't understand it.
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I think that what a lot of people have said on here about corn, sugar and other carbohydrates is true. In order to lose weight you have to basically eat lettuce. |
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Maybe a more realistic analogy might be if there was a fire being fed by a gasoline hose and you turned down the volume of the hose by 50% would that be good? Why does Dr Esselstyn's friend and compatriot, Dr Ornish allow egg whites and certain oils in his program? Logically, Dr Esselstyn would think that Dr Ornish just doesn't care as much about people, animals and the environment as he does. |
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If you want to discuss this PM me and we can meet soon. We believe there is something in your diet that you may be overlooking. ------------ |
I'm working on a meeting for interested people sometime in January trying to block a 3 hour window at one of the rec centers.
Stay tuned |
Vegan
Yes, I would agree. I went vegan due to health issues, it was the right thing for me to do. I feel 10 years younger, have lost 36 lbs since september. I never thought I could go w/o all the stuff, I actually enjoy it.
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Fantastic,
there is going to a big meeting soon in January about the diet, trying to arrange a special guest speaker now. |
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So you wanna be vegan...good luck, you might not be heading down as healthy a diet trail as you believe, but that's an individual choice. |
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