We've been through this already on another thread. As I have said, according to Dr. Dean Ornish, some people have more cholesterol receptors than others. So, a relatively few lucky people can eat lots of eggs or sausage etc. and their colesterol receptors will efficiently dispose of excess cholesterol. But they still raise their risk for many other degenerative diseases.

It's natures finest food for the chick that's about to hatch from the egg. ;) I've decided to eat 3 "Egglands Best" poached eggs per week under the heading of moderation. That's because I've determined I have a need for some extra iodine for "normal" thyroid function.

Yes, in certain limited situations. Dr. Ornish specified that it's only a lucky few who can go all out and not get heart disease. Most people can't count on being saved from heart disease by having lots of cholesterol receptors. Now for those unlucky people who have too few cholesterol receptors, they can still avoid heart disease by eating a heart-healthy diet.

There has never been any heart disease in my extended (Italian) family so I suspect that we must have a generous amount of cholesterol receptors. But that doesn't mean I can eat anything I want. That's because, other than my grandparents, many in my family have had cancer. And the anti-cancer diet is basically the same as the heart-healthy diet. It seems there are no loopholes to get away from having to eat a healthy diet. Although, I have modified my diet to inclued 3 "Egglands Best" poached-eggs per week because I have decided I need some of the nutrition, like iodine, for "normal" thyroid function.

You have mentioned Dr. Dean Ornish many times in your posts. I believe Steve Jobs was a vegetarian. Do you know if it's true that Steve Jobs went on Dr. Ornish's anti-cancer diet before he passed away from cancer?

Not sure what point you're trying to get at here is but Dr. Ornish recommended to Steve Jobs that he have surgery immediately upon getting his first cancer diagnosis.

He received no medication for a little over a year, he was also a Buddhist, that acted too late.

Sure and B12 deficiencies are common in those that don't eat meat so I guess leaving meat out of your diet would qualify as a poor diet. No I will not do the work for you if you are truly interested you can look the studies up for yourself and if you are not interested why should I waste my time?

The worst case id your B12 may low but not detrimental.

So to take a B12 tablet is just a precaution but not an absolute.

The fact that most animals, including humans, are capable of storing long-term supplies of B12.

In humans, these stores may last for several years.

By the we both take it. Checked on quarterly blood work and is always above normal.

Now should we also worry about vitamin D :1rotfl:

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News flash: Most of the population (which eats TONS of meat and fish) is B12 deficient.
Please don't eat meat (and risk your health and that of the animals) for that reason. Just take the damn pill.

Maybe Bush and others should go on this guys diet which does include meat
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I've commented on Jimbo's posts before. I am always trying to eat lower on the food chain, but occasionally fall off the wagon. I guess I would describe myself as a piscetarian (no meat but eats fish) most of the time. But since my wife is not of the same mind, it's difficult. Nobody loves a medium rare porterhouse more than I do, but I just feel better when I stay away from meat. I worry that Jimbo may turn people off from trying vegetarian eating by his "preaching", but it works for me both from a health and moral aspect.

I have no intent to preach at all, I post articles by others.

Don't shoot the messenger please :1rotfl:

I enjoy sharing the success both my wife and I have experienced over the last 3 years on this lifestyle & plant based diet.

There are other benefits that may not be appropriate to discuss in a public forum.

I was actually directing my question to Village Pl, but I do appreciate your response. My point was that a Vegan diet and an anti-cancer/Dr. Ornish diet did not prevent Steve Jobs from dying from prostate cancer. Perhaps because it was "in his genes".

Jimbo, as a personal note, I do believe in eating mostly vegetables and fruit, and I haven't eaten red meat in seven years, and my Lab numbers are healthy. But I also strongly believe that moderation is key ... Which Villages Pl says is just a excuse for "bad" behavior.

I think that having friends and fun are way, way more important than being overly restrictive. I think it's a positive thing to meet friends for dinner, to drink wine, and to have occasional treats.

Restrictive to one person may not be the same to another agree?

I can assure you that being a vegan has no effect having friends and fun.

We meet friends for dinner, to drink beer - wine.

We don't go out to eat dinner with friends because we are starving for food we go out to socialize.

We party plenty we're not monks

I don't believe in diet moderation, it's simply and excuse for lack of will power.

But I commend the fact that you don't eat red meat a/ka dead animals.

I never followed what was going on with Steve Jobs regarding his health, and that's why I didn't answer your post. I just did a little online search and learned that he had pancreatic cancer. He also had a liver transplant prior to that. One account stated that he put off surgery for 6 months so he could try some kind of dietary remedy and that cost him his life.

I have never made a blanket statement that diet will cure cancer. My previous statement about an anti-cancer diet is for the purpose of prevention (i.e., lowering ones risk).

Doctor Ornish did a clinical study with prostate cancer patients and the result was that his patients were able to reduce their PSA numbers by going on a vegan diet. This may be a good option for older men who have been diagnosed with slow growing prostate cancer.

About Steeve Jobs: I don't know exactly what his diet consisted of and I don't know what his stress levels were and I don't know how or if he exercised. And I don't know anything about his genetic family history. As far as diet: Probably no two vegans eat the exact same diet, just as no two carnivores eat the exact same diet. There are at least a few ways to ruin a vegan diet, for example, eating a lot of refined sugar is one way. And job stress, which I believe Steve Jobs likely had, can lower one's immune system. I don't know why he got cancer, I'm just saying that there could have been various lifestyle choices that could have caused problems inspite of his diet, whatever it was.