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retiredguy123 01-18-2024 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Toymeister (Post 2292495)
Yes, absolutely you should quit.

As the cheapest guy on this forum, Retiredguy123, do you have any idea how much this is costing you?

Anyone else in the same circumstances, no.

I suspect that you are envious that I am cheaper than you, but you just need to try harder. At this point, my problem is that I am going to run out of life before I run out of money.

Topspinmo 01-18-2024 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by rustyp (Post 2292506)
Alcohol is to your liver as pickle-ball is to your knees. Simply a matter of time before either one gives out.


Couldn’t say same thing with golf and persons back?

Topspinmo 01-18-2024 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by retiredguy123 (Post 2292516)
I suspect that you are envious that I am cheaper than you, but you just need to try harder. At this point, my problem is that I am going to run out of life before I run out of money.


Don’t most all retirees run out of life before money?

Topspinmo 01-18-2024 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by fdpaq0580 (Post 2292505)
Costs me somewhere between 100 to 200 bucks a bottle, more or less. Unless I have help, that bottle can last a year or more. Seldom indulge, but when I do, I want it to be as good as I can get.

$200 bottle? One born everyday as them say.

retiredguy123 01-18-2024 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Topspinmo (Post 2292527)
Don’t most all retirees run out of life before money?

Hopefully

dewilson58 01-18-2024 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Topspinmo (Post 2292527)
Don’t most all retirees run out of life before money?

Absolutely not.

Huge problem.

Toymeister 01-18-2024 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by retiredguy123 (Post 2292516)
I suspect that you are envious that I am cheaper than you, but you just need to try harder. At this point, my problem is that I am going to run out of life before I run out of money.

Clearly you are on to me.

But the cheapest guy I know is my brother who dug his basement by hand after the home was built*. It took him two years but he saved a ton of cash.

Top that RG123!

*crawl space converted to basement

rsimpson 01-18-2024 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by retiredguy123 (Post 2292233)
For someone with no serious health issues, and who has been drinking 3 to 4 alcoholic beverages every day for 60 years, does it really make any sense to quit? Opinions please.

I believe two or three would be slightly more healthy (to your well-used liver) as a daily intake, leaning towards the two end of the averrage.
I am not a doctor, but that's what my wife tells ME.

dewilson58 01-18-2024 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by rsimpson (Post 2292550)
I am not a doctor, but that's what my wife tells ME.

:thumbup:

CoachKandSportsguy 01-18-2024 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by SouthJerseyGirl (Post 2292467)
I just buried my husband, a moderate drinker, from liver disease.

So sorry to hear that. I sucks to watch someone just be addicted to something which will kill them, like alcohol or cigarettes, know it and not be able to do anything. .

Boomer 01-18-2024 06:04 PM

Well. . .retiredguy123, all along this thread, I never thought it was you. I assumed you were "asking for a friend."

Now, I gotta tellya that you must be doing OK because I have never-- never even once -- in all these years -- seen you drunk-post. Over time, I have seen a couple of what I think had to have been drunk-posts (really mean drunk-posts) -- but they were not from you. :)

Boomer

La lamy 01-18-2024 06:13 PM

Can't see why everyone needs to go by these new guidelines. I think to each their own, follow your gut to know what's best for you. Cheers!

Oneiric 01-18-2024 06:19 PM

Alcohol is neurotoxic to the brain, cardiotoxic to the heart and hepatotoxic to the liver, all dose and duration dependent. The liver having an ability to heal itself, if given the chance, the brain and heart less so. As we age, AFIB is a more common heart problem among drinkers.
How you, as an individual, metabolize alcohol on steady long term basis, simply depends on how God made you. Some more sensitive than others.

Smalley 01-18-2024 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by retiredguy123 (Post 2292233)
For someone with no serious health issues, and who has been drinking 3 to 4 alcoholic beverages every day for 60 years, does it really make any sense to quit? Opinions please.

In my opinion, you would be smart to quit drinking alcohol now. Alcohol is a toxin and a carcinogen. You have been drinking twice the upper limit of recommendation by FDA which is too high IMO. If you find it hard to quit drinking, try going to an AA meeting for help and camaraderie.

OrangeBlossomBaby 01-18-2024 08:21 PM

What advice does your liver scan and EKG offer you? If your liver and heart are healthy, then enjoy. If not, you can decide for yourself if the risk of spending your last weeks of life suffering in a hospital or having to endure dialysis is greater or lesser than the reward of enjoying a few drinks every day.

Of course - if it's truly a concern, you could just try cutting back, have one drink a day, and see how it goes from there.

manaboutown 01-18-2024 08:24 PM

Recently I saw a cartoon of a woman visiting a gravesite. The inscription on the headstone listed the dates the man had given up smoking, red meat, alcohol on so on. The last line gave a date followed by "He died anyway."

Stu from NYC 01-18-2024 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 2292602)
What advice does your liver scan and EKG offer you? If your liver and heart are healthy, then enjoy. If not, you can decide for yourself if the risk of spending your last weeks of life suffering in a hospital or having to endure dialysis is greater or lesser than the reward of enjoying a few drinks every day.

Of course - if it's truly a concern, you could just try cutting back, have one drink a day, and see how it goes from there.

The older I get the more I believe in numbers. My DR has me do a very comprehensive blood test several times a year and that guides me in many ways as I want to see my grandkids grow up.

Topspinmo 01-18-2024 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Toymeister (Post 2292495)
Yes, absolutely you should quit.

As the cheapest guy on this forum, Retiredguy123, do you have any idea how much this is costing you?

Anyone else in the same circumstances, no.

I can give him run for the title…

Topspinmo 01-18-2024 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by dewilson58 (Post 2292534)
Absolutely not.

Huge problem.

Wouldn’t that be lack preparation problems.. or several divorces? Some people can never retire due to leaches and some are unemployable so I would put them in retirement category.

Topspinmo 01-18-2024 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Stu from NYC (Post 2292618)
The older I get the more I believe in numbers. My DR has me do a very comprehensive blood test several times a year and that guides me in many ways as I want to see my grandkids grow up.

Several times year? Only so much you can do before it becomes repetitive clogging up system.

Topspinmo 01-18-2024 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by manaboutown (Post 2292603)
Recently I saw a cartoon of a woman visiting a gravesite. The inscription on the headstone listed the dates the man had given up smoking, red meat, alcohol on so on. The last line gave a date followed by "He died anyway."

Only heard stories one who got out of this world alive? :oops:

dougawhite 01-18-2024 10:30 PM

Simple, everybody knows that alcohol kills germs. It therefore also kills germs inside your digestive track. So as you drink alcohol, you destroy your microbiome, which is made of 'beneficial germs'. A messed up microbiome causes all sorts of problems because you get all your body's needs from digesting food. Screw up your microbiome and you disrupt digestion, and don't get the elements your body needs.

dhdallas 01-18-2024 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by retiredguy123 (Post 2292233)
For someone with no serious health issues, and who has been drinking 3 to 4 alcoholic beverages every day for 60 years, does it really make any sense to quit? Opinions please.

If you are even thinking that you might have a problem with alcohol then you probably do. Try going without for a week & see how you feel. Do you miss it, do you feel antsy or irritable, are you counting the days until you can have a drink again, do you feel depressed? A non-alcoholic can take it or leave it for any length of time without giving it a thought. Take it from one who knows.

Topspinmo 01-18-2024 10:52 PM

Covid started me drinking.

dewilson58 01-19-2024 05:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Topspinmo (Post 2292631)
Covid started me drinking.

a lot of starters and a lot more volume per participant

sales increased significantly during the flu

dewilson58 01-19-2024 05:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Topspinmo (Post 2292620)
Wouldn’t that be lack preparation problems.. or several divorces? Some people can never retire due to leaches and some are unemployable so I would put them in retirement category.

Unfortunately there are lots of reasons including lack of prep, divorces, medical, etc.

Also, when 50% of the population does not pay income taxes........they probably ain't saving.

No easy solution.

MrFlorida 01-19-2024 10:04 AM

You have been doing this for 60 years ? Assuming you started in your 20's , if it hasn't killed you yet in your 80's, then by all means keep gooing.

daca55 01-19-2024 10:31 AM

You don’t say how old you are. I am in my 70s and I can tell you that I still drink almost everyday because I don’t want how I feel when I wake up the best I’m going to feel all day!

Stu from NYC 01-19-2024 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Topspinmo (Post 2292621)
Several times year? Only so much you can do before it becomes repetitive clogging up system.

How would a blood test taken several times a year clog up my system?

gighilton 01-19-2024 01:48 PM

Always depends! If you want to play better golf ... quit. If not nobody cares but you!

coffeebean 01-19-2024 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by oldtimes (Post 2292245)
Juice has too much sugar, coffee and tea have caffeine that is bad, decaf is done with chemicals which are bad, even bottled water is now bad so really what can you safely drink?

I know this thread is about alcoholic beverages but I would like to comment on decaf coffee. I've been drinking decaf for over 40 years and never really knew how or what was used to remove the caffeine in coffee. I found this article to be very informative. According to this article, decaf coffee is safe to drink.......

Is decaf coffee safe?

Professor 01-19-2024 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by retiredguy123 (Post 2292233)
For someone with no serious health issues, and who has been drinking 3 to 4 alcoholic beverages every day for 60 years, does it really make any sense to quit? Opinions please.

Why even drink 3-4 drinks per day. Life is full of interesting and fun things to do. Alcohol can distort ones thinking even at mild drinking levels, so does anyone need to daily distort their perception of reality? If so, that is rather sad.

I am not against drinking, and I enjoy a good glass or two of Scotch once or twice a week at most, but not daily. Life is too short to waste it, as I learned recently when my spouse passed away after a short battle with cancer. Take it all in each day.

manaboutown 01-19-2024 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 2292837)
I know this thread is about alcoholic beverages but I would like to comment on decaf coffee. I've been drinking decaf for over 40 years and never really knew how or what was used to remove the caffeine in coffee. I found this article to be very informative. According to this article, decaf coffee is safe to drink.......

Is decaf coffee safe?

I think the Swiss water process provides chemical free decaffeination.

My father's physician told him to go to decaf after he discovered my father was drinking 22 cups of coffee a day - old time coffee cups, not the large mugs we use today. At that time Sanka was all that was available so he drank that. My father went on to live almost 94 years.

My father loved Jim Beam and Jack Daniels and after he retired during his seventies and eighties drank some from an old time small fruit juice glass at 10, 2 and 4, like Dr. Pepper. In his late 80s he had to cut back on the booze as he and my mother moved to an independent living facility where he could not keep alcohol in the apartment. He had a male friend there with whom he would go out and have a few drinks now and then.

Stu from NYC 01-19-2024 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by manaboutown (Post 2292851)
I think the Swiss water process provides chemical free decaffeination.

My father's physician told him to go to decaf after he realized my father was drinking 22 cups of coffee a day - old time coffee cups, not the large mugs we use today. At that time Sanka was all that was available so he drank that. My father went on to live almost 94 years.

My father loved Jim Beam and Jack Daniels and during his seventies and eighties drank some from an old time small fruit juice glass at 10, 2 and 4, like Dr. Pepper. In his late 80s he had to cut back on the booze as he and my mother moved to an independent living facility where he could not keep alcohol in the apartment. He had a male friend there with whom he would go out and have a few drinks now and then.

If I drank 22 cups of coffee a day would never get more than 10 ft from bathroom before having to go back.

manaboutown 01-19-2024 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Stu from NYC (Post 2292852)
If I drank 22 cups of coffee a day would never get more than 10 ft from bathroom before having to go back.

My guess is his 22 cups might amount to 7 or 8 of today's size coffee mugs. Our china cups at home were small, the cafe's larger.

His doctor asked Dad to keep track so he made a mark on a piece of paper for every cup. Those years Dad was selling furniture and floor covering (carpets and rugs) at a downtown Montgomery Ward store. The salesmen got breaks and went around the corner to a cafe. A restroom was right there on the floor where he worked. He never had a prostate problem. Doc told my brother when Dad was in his early 90s his prostate was the size of a walnut so that was why he could hold so much liquid, I guess.

ThirdOfFive 01-19-2024 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by gighilton (Post 2292833)
Always depends! If you want to play better golf ... quit. If not nobody cares but you!

Huh?? Drinking IMPROVES your golf!

Couple of years back my sister-in-law, an avid golfer, was visiting from Milwaukee. We were playing Saddlebrook and I was having a pretty forgettable round. So my sister-in-law suggested some "aiming fluid", which happened to be a beer. Very next hole, I scored a hole-in-one.

True story.

Bonanza 01-19-2024 03:48 PM

Alcoholics Anonymous Can Help
 
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Originally Posted by retiredguy123 (Post 2292233)
For someone with no serious health issues, and who has been drinking 3 to 4 alcoholic beverages every day for 60 years, does it really make any sense to quit? Opinions please.

An alcoholic should always make an attempt to quit.
Go to an AA meeting.
You should and will glean good, solid information there.

mikeycereal 01-19-2024 04:09 PM

What’s the difference between me and a camel?

A camel can work all week without drinking, I can drink all week without working.

:duck:

manaboutown 01-19-2024 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Bonanza (Post 2292867)
An alcoholic should always make an attempt to quit.
Go to an AA meeting.
You should and will glean good, solid information there.

While AA can offer a good program for some people last I heard only about 3% of its members are able to remain sober the remainder of their lives. Most do not make it.

Some bad folks attend and act as sponsors. Some people attend to deal drugs, others to score drugs - and other stuff. Here is a documentary on the 13th step.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5TW0cDF9cc

CFrance 01-19-2024 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Bonanza (Post 2292867)
An alcoholic should always make an attempt to quit.
Go to an AA meeting.
You should and will glean good, solid information there.

WAIT A MINUTE!!!!!!!!!!!!!! There's a dog on the couch there. I rest my case.:BigApplause:


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