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Old 10-24-2021, 03:16 PM
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Americans Vaccinated Against Coronavirus Have Lower Mortality Rates — Even From Non-Covid Causes — CDC Says



People who are vaccinated against Covid-19 are less likely to die for any reason — including from non-coronavirus causes — than the unvaccinated, according to a Centers for Disease Control and Prevention study released Friday, which researchers framed as more proof of the vaccines’ safety despite stubborn levels of vaccine hesitancy.

KEY FACTS

Partially and fully vaccinated people died from non-coronavirus causes at a lower rate than their unvaccinated peers, according to the study, which looked at millions of patients at seven U.S. health organizations from December to July.

All three vaccines approved by U.S. regulators were tied to lower non-Covid death rates, though the difference in mortality among people who took Johnson & Johnson’s vaccine was slightly smaller than for recipients of Pfizer or Moderna’s vaccines.

Vaccinated members of virtually every racial and age group had lower non-coronavirus mortality rates than unvaccinated people, but the difference was smallest for children ages 12 to 17, possibly because the study looked at just a dozen deaths in that group.

This result suggests the vaccines don’t increase a patient’s risk of death, which “reinforces the safety profile of currently approved COVID-19 vaccines,” the study said.

Vaccines could be tied to lower non-Covid death rates because people who got vaccinated are “inherently healthier or engage in fewer risk behaviors,” or because some deaths caused by the coronavirus weren’t properly classified, the authors wrote.

Another CDC study from last month showed fully vaccinated Americans are also significantly less likely to die from Covid-19 than the unvaccinated.

CONTRA

The study’s results were adjusted for race, age and sex, but didn’t factor in other characteristics like underlying health conditions or socioeconomic status. Still, the researchers said their study is reliable because it covers a large and diverse population.

BIG NUMBER

23%. That’s the share of U.S. adults who told the Kaiser Family Foundation last month they either definitely won’t take a Covid-19 vaccine, will only get vaccinated if it’s mandatory, or are taking a “wait and see” approach to their vaccination status. Levels of vaccine hesitancy have dropped steadily this year, and 77.5% of Americans ages 12 and over are now partially or fully vaccinated, but tens of millions of eligible people have still not gotten a jab.

KEY BACKGROUND

All three Covid-19 vaccines approved in the United States were found to be safe in clinical trials, and real-world studies have backed up their safety and effectiveness. The CDC says reports of side effects from the vaccines — including severe allergic reactions, blood clots and a heart condition called myocarditis — are rare. Plus, studies have indicated the vaccines are extremely effective at staving off hospitalizations and deaths from Covid-19. Still, many unvaccinated Americans have told pollsters they’re wary about the vaccines’ safety or skeptical of their effectiveness, and some public health officials believe patients could be deterred by false rumors about the vaccines that have proliferated on social media.
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Old 10-24-2021, 08:17 PM
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Information from the CDC? Hmm, is that with two or three shots of the vaccination? Is that mixing the vaccines, or receiving only one brand? Kind of hard to take it seriously IF the CDC gives us conflicting information one day after the other.
"Fully vaccinated with two shots or is it three shots?" Just wait a day and they will change it to fit their needs. Booster every six months forever? Who knows?
Interesting article, but I will take the word of the CDC with a grain of salt, as some like to say.
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OP’s information from the CDC didn’t say you would never die but just you “might” live longer. Of course, the unvaccinated don’t want to hear this and when they do won’t believe it anyway. No different than the approximate 20% that refuse to wear a seat belt. “You can’t stay young forever but you can be immature for the rest of your life.” Anonymous
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CDC? Really? Have they told the American public anything factual? Reports out of the UK this weekend show 70% of all CV cases are in the vaccinated and the same goes for hospitalizations and they are not the only highly vaxxed country reporting thiese types of percentages. Also, another report just out shows that your natural immunity decreases when you get the vax. Thanks, but no thanks!
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CDC? Really? Have they told the American public anything factual? Reports out of the UK this weekend show 70% of all CV cases are in the vaccinated and the same goes for hospitalizations and they are not the only highly vaxxed country reporting thiese types of percentages. Also, another report just out shows that your natural immunity decreases when you get the vax. Thanks, but no thanks!
Please don't post misinformation on such a serious subject, there is nothing "factual" in that post. And I can find an internet source that states the Earth is flat, so don't bother to argue.
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The article says 77.5% of people over twelve are vaccinated. Wasn't the "original" goal to reach herd immunity set at 70% by Dr Fauci? Do we have a new goal?
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Please don't post misinformation on such a serious subject, there is nothing "factual" in that post. And I can find an internet source that states the Earth is flat, so don't bother to argue.
Really? It's either time to get off CNN or stay in your basement in fear.

Here's the UK report on the vax lowering your natural antibodies (Pg. 23) and I quote" “N antibody levels appear to be lower in people who acquire infection following two doses of vaccination.”
https://assets.publishing.service.go...rt-week-42.pdf

Also, from the same UK health report this weekend: Deaths in September 2021 in UK: Over 80 was 1500 total of which 1270 were vaxxed (85%). Over 70, 800 total deaths of which 607 were fully vaxxed (76%); Over 60 there were 411 total deaths with 258 of those fully vaxxed (63%). The facts are there, you only have to do some research to find the truth. Unfortunately, here, the CDC doesn't want you to know those figures so they have no requirement to track them. But whatever, you do, please do not question what are facts and what is not if you only listen to the CDC and CNN.
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Really? It's either time to get off CNN or stay in your basement in fear.

Here's the UK report on the vax lowering your natural antibodies (Pg. 23) and I quote" “N antibody levels appear to be lower in people who acquire infection following two doses of vaccination.”
https://assets.publishing.service.go...rt-week-42.pdf

Also, from the same UK health report this weekend: Deaths in September 2021 in UK: Over 80 was 1500 total of which 1270 were vaxxed (85%). Over 70, 800 total deaths of which 607 were fully vaxxed (76%); Over 60 there were 411 total deaths with 258 of those fully vaxxed (63%). The facts are there, you only have to do some research to find the truth. Unfortunately, here, the CDC doesn't want you to know those figures so they have no requirement to track them. But whatever, you do, please do not question what are facts and what is not if you only listen to the CDC and CNN.
Thank you for the information. While I can provide reasons as to why the percentage may be higher among the vaccinated in those age groups, what the post does undoubtedly show is that there are studies and figures coming down on both sides of the discussion.
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The article says 77.5% of people over twelve are vaccinated. Wasn't the "original" goal to reach herd immunity set at 70% by Dr Fauci? Do we have a new goal?
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Really? It's either time to get off CNN or stay in your basement in fear.

Here's the UK report on the vax lowering your natural antibodies (Pg. 23) and I quote" “N antibody levels appear to be lower in people who acquire infection following two doses of vaccination.”
https://assets.publishing.service.go...rt-week-42.pdf

Also, from the same UK health report this weekend: Deaths in September 2021 in UK: Over 80 was 1500 total of which 1270 were vaxxed (85%). Over 70, 800 total deaths of which 607 were fully vaxxed (76%); Over 60 there were 411 total deaths with 258 of those fully vaxxed (63%). The facts are there, you only have to do some research to find the truth. Unfortunately, here, the CDC doesn't want you to know those figures so they have no requirement to track them. But whatever, you do, please do not question what are facts and what is not if you only listen to the CDC and CNN.
You have no idea who you are talking to and no idea how foolish you are making yourself look. I have no intention of debating with another amateur or "Dr. Google", but I will say this: I know about 1000 times as much virology and epidemiology as you do, and the professionals at CDC know more than I do. This means, as far as the pecking order of pandemic knowledge goes, you are on that part of the totem pole that is buried in the ground. STOP MISLEADING PEOPLE WITH YOUR BOGUS "FACTS"

Oh, I almost forgot---as promised, a link:

50 Reasons Why You Should Believe The Earth Is Flat

If it's on the internet, it must be true, so now do you believe the world is flat????

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Really? It's either time to get off CNN or stay in your basement in fear.

Here's the UK report on the vax lowering your natural antibodies (Pg. 23) and I quote" “N antibody levels appear to be lower in people who acquire infection following two doses of vaccination.”
https://assets.publishing.service.go...rt-week-42.pdf

Also, from the same UK health report this weekend: Deaths in September 2021 in UK: Over 80 was 1500 total of which 1270 were vaxxed (85%). Over 70, 800 total deaths of which 607 were fully vaxxed (76%); Over 60 there were 411 total deaths with 258 of those fully vaxxed (63%). The facts are there, you only have to do some research to find the truth. Unfortunately, here, the CDC doesn't want you to know those figures so they have no requirement to track them. But whatever, you do, please do not question what are facts and what is not if you only listen to the CDC and CNN.
Which is harder to understand:

1. The vaccine is not 100% effective, particularly for the elderly or immunocompromised;

2. When over 90% of the population is vaccinated, cases in the vaccinated group will be a larger percentage of the total (there are nearly 10x fewer unvaccinated to become infected), or;

3. Antibodies that result from fighting off an infection will have less time to develop if your body already has antibodies (from the vaccine) doing the fighting?
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Which is harder to understand:

1. The vaccine is not 100% effective, particularly for the elderly or immunocompromised;

2. When over 90% of the population is vaccinated, cases in the vaccinated group will be a larger percentage of the total (there are nearly 10x fewer unvaccinated to become infected), or;

3. Antibodies that result from fighting off an infection will have less time to develop if your body already has antibodies (from the vaccine) doing the fighting?
UK health authorities are now calling it "pandemic of the old and fully vaccinated"

CDC now calling it "pandemic of the unvaccinated except for those pesky 25% breakthrough cases"
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