Originally Posted by tulio (Post 2241226)

Medicine is not a science; it is an art. The government and Fauci scared all of America into believing (and forcing) all of us (Americans) that the virus would kill if not hundreds of millions, everyone who was not vaccinated. It was overreaction at it worst. There were no studies done, just some doctors (not scientists, opinions). Their best guess.
Then they shut down everyone who disagreed with them. Scientists do not do that.
They listen to the opinions of others and then test theories to see which one has the most validity. That did not happen. It was my way or you are fired. I got the vaccine and the booster, but I have no problem with those who did not. If you are so afraid of a virus, that have been with us for centuries and will always be with us, then you need to live in a cave and never be around other people.

Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 2241376)

Emotional arguments don't help your case...

The incidence of children dying from covid was miniscule...

Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 2241374)

Being vaccinated does not prevent transmission...

Originally Posted by rpalumberi (Post 2241352)

No expert as well, however, we read that Sweden never shut down, required masks or social distance. Life went on as normal. If only ... After what we have been reading/seeing, not sure why anyone would trust the media or this administration. We're sure someone made a lot of money at our collective expense.

Originally Posted by Blueblaze (Post 2241558)

I lived through the Covid years in a community, where by definition, everyone single person was at "high risk" from dying of a disease that only killed old people.

And yet, to this day, I do not personally know anyone, or even know anyone who knew anyone, who died from Covid--19.

But I personally know two people who nearly died from that stupid experimental vaccine that didn't even work. My next door neighbor had a stroke within 12 hours of getting her first Moderna shot and would have died, but for the fact that we live in a place where emergency care is used to dealing with strokes. And my wife's friend's husband nearly died from a heart attack caused by myocarditis, within 12 hours of receiving his booster, after suffering no ill effects from his previous two shots.

To put that in perspective, I lived through the Polio epidemic, and as a child, took the Salk live virus vaccine that had a 1% chance of actually giving you polio. But, although I knew many polio victims in my childhood, but I never knew a single person who ever got it from, or was in any way harmed by that vaccine.

What makes it even more ridiculous is that we all dutifully took that stupid, dangerous shot AND THEN GOT COVID ANYWAY! I had it THREE TIMES!

I wouldn't take that stupid shot again if you put a gun to my head.

Originally Posted by rpalumberi (Post 2241352)

No expert as well, however, we read that Sweden never shut down, required masks or social distance. Life went on as normal. If only ... After what we have been reading/seeing, not sure why anyone would trust the media or this administration. We're sure someone made a lot of money at our collective expense.

Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2241232)

I didn't read the original article so may I pick your brain???? How high a rise in Troponin I did they consider diagnostic of acute myocarditis? As we both know, a one mile jog or a violent coughing spell can give a small Troponin elevation. I've seen patients admitted for ACS from the ER for a Troponin of 0.07 in the absence of ANY other suggestive sx, or even after an MVA with the dx of cardiac contusion. So I guess my concern is the threshold for diagnosing post vaccination myocarditis on the basis of Troponin I alone.

Originally Posted by blueash (Post 2241196)

Wiley online library is a source for reading articles published in their mostly peer reviewed journals. Thus your criticism is bogus. The fact that the article is available free to you indicates that Wiley is willing to allow you access to some copyrighted material that you normally would have to pay to read.

I don't understand why you are arguing that the publishers of medical journals should not charge for their journals. You cannot read the New England Journal of Medicine for free. You cannot read Lancet for free.

This study used the Moderna vaccine. The authors recruited hospital workers in good health and they received the vaccine. No baseline labs were done which would have been useful. At day 3 after the vaccine a troponin cardiac enzyme test was done and those with elevated levels, follow up testing was done.

None of the people with elevated tests became ill, all had normal follow up testing which showed no evidence of injury. Interestingly it was overwhelmingly women, who have a lower baseline level, who showed mild blood test elevations. In the real world it is young men, not middle aged women who have rarely presented with clinical heart issues after vaccination.

The study is interesting and shows that the medical community is continuing to evaluate the vaccine, and publish data which certain people might see as negative. No cover up, no ignoring, no conspiracy. Just medical scientists pursuing information. Like they are supposed to do.

For those of you who had mono [mononucleosis], meaning almost everyone.... It is nearly certain you had hepatitis as the mono virus, EBV, causes a subclinical liver inflammation, meaning you are not liver sick but you have an elevated liver blood test, in about 90% of mono patients. Same story with chicken pox.

The point being that a subclinical mild elevation of a blood test is almost always a nothing burger.

Intense exercise elevates the same heart blood test used in the Swiss study in almost all exercisers. Nobody is going to suggest you don't exercise because it damages your heart as shown by the short term troponin spike

Originally Posted by Two Bills (Post 2241122)

Assuming you went with the scientific experts and had the vaccine, I agree.
I seem to notice that the people still looking for anti-Covid Vaccine stories, are always the skeptics who never were vaccinated.
Are they still unsure of their choice, even paranoid of it?
Most who are vaccinated seem quite happy with their decision, and just get on with their lives.

Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2241573)

Shot or post, I'm pretty sure I know which one is "stupid"

Originally Posted by FosterMomma (Post 2241072)

Those of us reading and writing about this are alive and likely so because we either had the vaccines or the majority of those who live around us did. All of us were in the high risk category at least because of our age. That’s enough proof for me.

Originally Posted by shut the front door (Post 2241616)

So the poster you replied to stated that he made his decision and doesn't feel the need to discuss it with others. But you only agree with him if he did it your way. Entitled much? :blahblahblah:

Originally Posted by npwalters (Post 2241635)

I did take the shot - 3 times. However, you have absolutely no way to know if your statement is accurate. The only way to know is if a monitored segment of the peer group did not take the vaccine. In the one European country where they decided to let COVID take its natural course the rates of infection were similar to everywhere else.