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PugMom 02-22-2023 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2190464)
The WHOLE HEALTHCARE problem could be easily solved by National Health Care like all the OTHER CIVILIZED countries in Europe and Asia. But, then the POOR Insurance executives would be forced to live in poverty........at a lowly $300,000 per year

oh dear God, please no!:faint:

PugMom 02-22-2023 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2190468)
Primary education where I came from (up North) was 1st class back in the (literally) old school days. I had a GREAT Physics teacher, geometry teacher, advanced math, and a Spanish teacher in High School. We did NOT have to go to a Private school to get a good education. In fact, they did NOT even exist - only a Catholic high school which was OK quality-wise.

Catholic schools would not tolerate half the crap from today's students. it's my guess they'd be expelled by noon, no questions asked:posting:

PugMom 02-22-2023 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by LuvNH (Post 2190474)
I can comment on bringing in good professional nurses and doctors. My elderly aunt was in hospital and when she found out the nurse was "not white" she would not let her get anywhere near to her. She was not alone in her thinking. Maybe things have changed greatly since that time, but elderly people still have a problem with foreign care givers.

too funny! my Britsih hubby prefers Jamaicans :smiley:

Papa_lecki 02-22-2023 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by jfarineau (Post 2190507)
UFHealth never said they were making UFHealth The Villages Hospital a teaching hospital. The initial plan was to build a hospital campus that included a medical school with a residency program and a nursing school in the south of Sumter County. The location was moved to Lake County because of the a major tax increase proposed by the "new county commissioners"....Gary Search and Orin Miller.

This, when Sumter county was threatening to impose the impact fee, they moved the hospital into Lake County (see one of GoldWing Nut’s videos).

The new hospital will be a teaching hospital - it will be brand new and state of the art.
And the students will have access to the entire UF health system, including Jacksonville.

Florida is just opening up its nursing licensing system to a network allow reciprocity for nurses - the traveling nurses I know would love to come here, but their license doesnt transfer yet.

Happydaz 02-22-2023 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Papa_lecki (Post 2190573)
This, when Sumter county was threatening to impose the impact fee, they moved the hospital into Lake County (see one of GoldWing Nut’s videos).

The new hospital will be a teaching hospital - it will be brand new and state of the art.
And the students will have access to the entire UF health system, including Jacksonville.

Florida is just opening up its nursing licensing system to a network allow reciprocity for nurses - the traveling nurses I know would love to come here, but their license doesnt transfer yet.


The plans for the new UF Hospital south of 44 which was supposed to be built on the Lake County line has been put on hold. I heard a Villages Hospital official talk at a Villages club meeting this winter and he said that hospitals are no longer profitable and that the new UF hospital is not moving forward at this time. He also talked about the nursing shortage and that they were thinking of getting foreign nurses.

Stu from NYC 02-22-2023 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by PugMom (Post 2190564)
i'd say you're lucky, i've had my worst experiences @ teaching hospitals, & would never consider using 1 again

We had a much better experience, UVA hospital in Charlottesville Va saved my life

Worldseries27 02-22-2023 11:27 PM

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Originally Posted by pugmom (Post 2190564)
i'd say you're lucky, i've had my worst experiences @ teaching hospitals, & would never consider using 1 again

some never get over student dr leaving an instrument inside

Chloe Girl 02-23-2023 06:38 AM

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Originally Posted by eeroger (Post 2190298)
My husband is with The Villages Health and he was recently assigned his 3rd primary care doc. The other two left or retired. The Sun has been running for several weeks large 1/2 or full page adds for docs.

After being here for a little over 6 years, I'm on my second PC doc which isn't too bad. My first doc left because of the long hours. I read an article in the Sun News a couple of months ago and there was a photo of my first doc. She was volunteering her time. I guess she got more fulfillment out of donating her time whenever she wanted rather than be on a strict regiment and getting paid for it. Yes, this country needs more doctors.

oneclickplus 02-23-2023 06:56 AM

Gone for good
 
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Originally Posted by NoMo50 (Post 2190278)
No need to throw shade at the developer, as this problem is occurring all over the country. Our daughter is a nurse practitioner, working at a large teaching hospital "up north." They have had staffing issues for years, and it's only getting worse. Covid sure didn't help. Plus, many young people today are rethinking the prospect of getting into the health provider profession. The prospect of going to school for 10 years, amassing huge amounts of debt, and entering a field where you are not in control over what your "product" is worth has cast a lot of doubt on their prospects for the future.

I recently had an outpatient procedure done on a knee at a local Orthopedics office. The bill for that procedure exceeded $4,000. With Medicare and secondary insurance payments all in, the doctor's net was less than 600 bucks. Again, this is something going on all over the country...not just here in the bubble.

My daughter worked in cardiac care in a Maryland teaching hospital until the Covid vaccine mandates. She was told to take the shot or take a walk. She ended up being forced out and then finishing her business degree. By the time they called her begging her to take her job back (with a sign-on bonus), she had graduated with honors and was working for one of the big accounting / consulting firms. She is done with the health care field and not going back. Mandates have consequences.

P.S. My entire family remains mRNA vaccine free and we've not lost a single person to Covid.

JMintzer 02-23-2023 08:00 AM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2190479)
Good post. The Canadians have National Health Care because they DESERVE it as opposed to US citizens that suffer through this crapola that the US calls a healthcare system that benefits only the upper executives in the Insurance RIPOFF Industry. WE get what we DESERVE because we don't complain about or even UNDERSTAND the US system. WE are like mushrooms being fed cow DUNG.

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JMintzer 02-23-2023 08:01 AM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2190481)
Possible solution - how about taking the excessive salaries of the Insurance Companies CEOs and overpaid staff and splitting that up among the young Doctors and nurses to encourage them to work in Fl hospitals and other states where needed? US society deserves better than the current situation.

Because it would amount to a few dollars (at most) per paycheck...

Math is hard...

Stu from NYC 02-23-2023 08:10 AM

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Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 2190680)
Because it would amount to a few dollars (at most) per paycheck...

Math is hard...

Was about to say the same thing. Just like socialism is a great system until you run out of other peoples money.

Reeds 02-23-2023 08:45 AM

Seems like a lot of these issues started sprouting up ALL OVER THE COUNTRY after the (UN)Afordable Care Act went into effect. The cost of insurance and healthcare skyrocketed and the quality of care dropped significantly. Within the last few years of living in Ohio, I had multiple physicians leave the medical field. This is not just a problem in Florida.

Keefelane66 02-23-2023 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Papa_lecki (Post 2190573)
This, when Sumter county was threatening to impose the impact fee, they moved the hospital into Lake County (see one of GoldWing Nut’s videos).

The new hospital will be a teaching hospital - it will be brand new and state of the art.
And the students will have access to the entire UF health system, including Jacksonville.

Florida is just opening up its nursing licensing system to a network allow reciprocity for nurses - the traveling nurses I know would love to come here, but their license doesnt transfer yet.

You are WRONG
“ all 50 states now practice reciprocity ever since NCLEX (National Council Licensure Examination) became standardized nationally. If your license is valid and you have clean disciplinary/legal record in your state, just apply and pay a fee to be granted another license in the state you desire.” Since 1982

PugMom 02-23-2023 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by oneclickplus (Post 2190657)
My daughter worked in cardiac care in a Maryland teaching hospital until the Covid vaccine mandates. She was told to take the shot or take a walk. She ended up being forced out and then finishing her business degree. By the time they called her begging her to take her job back (with a sign-on bonus), she had graduated with honors and was working for one of the big accounting / consulting firms. She is done with the health care field and not going back. Mandates have consequences.

P.S. My entire family remains mRNA vaccine free and we've not lost a single person to Covid.

you brought up a topic i hesitated mentioning, for obvious reasons. so much truth in what you said :bigbow:

Roron123 02-23-2023 10:40 AM

You are right! I’m a retired RN and worked in Saudi Arabia with Philipine nurses and they were hard working people! They would do great here in the US!!

CoachKandSportsguy 02-23-2023 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Villages Kahuna (Post 2190384)
I agree with other posters here—the healthcare problem in the U.S. is getting worse. It can’t improve until we begin training enough new doctors to replace those leaving the profession. Last year 114,000 doctors retired or left practice for other reasons. But U.S. medical schools only graduated something like 76,000 new doctors. The shortfall will have to be made up by doctors trained in foreign medical schools who choose to emigrate to the U.S..

Not the problem. The payer is the issue. Most hospitals are non profit, have requirements to take medicare, and also non insured individuals. The government makes up the difference based upon incentives and performance.

However, the health insurance companies are the payers, and they are profit oriented and in a competitive market. So they are incentivized to have competitive rates, increased bonuses, increases shareholder profits, and so they squeeze the hospital payer rates.

There is a wonderful article on UHC's decision to cut off healthcare insurance to ONE individual because the cost of keeping the college student alive was $2M per year for drugs. . . All the doctors' were providing the best care in the country. . UHC was seeing segment profits falling below budget targets. . . so their doctor's evaluation starting disagreeing with the hospital specialist docs for care requirements, and now there are lawsuits . . .

So its not about the number of doctors or the quality of the doctors, but about the payer, medicare or private insurance. . . and the insurance companies with profit over healthcare, are slowing eroding the healthcare quality as the hospitals and doctors are slowly losing their incomes to be able to do what they do beyond annual exam, accidental repairs, and general population issues, such as diabetes, and viral sicknesses. . ie, specialty care will be the first to lose its payer funding as very expensive versus routine care. .

good luck and stay healthy, maybe forgo that arby's beef and cheddar with bacon along with pickle ball without a helmet

doctor guy

Villages Kahuna 02-23-2023 11:21 AM

The current political disagreement about permitting ANY foreigners into the U.S. will be self-defeating. What we should be doing is recruiting all those new graduates with Masters and PhD’s and MD degrees, offering them a real fast track to citizenship.

Because the U.S. birth rate has been so low for decades, we are desperately short of young people to enter the work force to replace the aging population who are no longer working. Our problem is exacerbated by our lagging education system, compared to many other developed countries.

The ONLY solution to our problem of having far more jobs than people to perform them is to permit foreigner to enter the U.S. to work. The key to that strategy is to recruit those who are experienced and educated to do the jobs we need performed! That would include all those talented, experienced, hard working Philippine nurses that we’re currently keeping out of the U.S.

JMintzer 02-23-2023 12:01 PM

Those who think it's only low Medicare payments that are the problem are waaay off base.

Most private insurance companies have lowered their payments to near Medicare rates...

CoachKandSportsguy 02-23-2023 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 2190791)
Those who think it's only low Medicare payments that are the problem are waaay off base.

Most private insurance companies have lowered their payments to near Medicare rates...

Because they don't want to sacrifice their profit and bonuses like other industries have to at times. . .

CoachKandSportsguy 02-23-2023 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Villages Kahuna (Post 2190776)
The current political disagreement about permitting ANY foreigners into the U.S. will be self-defeating. What we should be doing is recruiting all those new graduates with Masters and PhD’s and MD degrees, offering them a real fast track to citizenship.

Because the U.S. birth rate has been so low for decades, we are desperately short of young people to enter the work force to replace the aging population who are no longer working. Our problem is exacerbated by our lagging education system, compared to many other developed countries.

The ONLY solution to our problem of having far more jobs than people to perform them is to permit foreigner to enter the U.S. to work. The key to that strategy is to recruit those who are experienced and educated to do the jobs we need performed! That would include all those talented, experienced, hard working Philippine nurses that we’re currently keeping out of the U.S.


can you elaborate on how this thesis impacts the private insurance reimbursement payments continually going down for hospitals while the insurance companies have record profits and bonuses?

Surely as an investor, you are on the side of the insurance companies' profits are more important than hospital reimbursement payments for the insureds' needs. .

Keefelane66 02-23-2023 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 2190791)
Those who think it's only low Medicare payments that are the problem are waaay off base.

Most private insurance companies have lowered their payments to near Medicare rates...

Thanks for your inside and experience as a Dr but so many seem to know or offer more opinions with no experience.

RiderOnTheStorm 02-23-2023 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2190481)
Possible solution - how about taking the excessive salaries of the Insurance Companies CEOs and overpaid staff and splitting that up among the young Doctors and nurses to encourage them to work in Fl hospitals and other states where needed? US society deserves better than the current situation.


This idea worked once, with Mother Theresa. Not any supporters since then.

Carla B 02-23-2023 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 2190791)
Those who think it's only low Medicare payments that are the problem are waaay off base.

Most private insurance companies have lowered their payments to near Medicare rates...

My daughter, who works for a large for-profit hospital corporation in claim collection, would agree with you. She says the only way some hospitals are able to keep their doors open are the $ they collect from Medicare, as private insurance often no longer pays at a better rate than does the government. Also, Medicare pays on time, whereas the insurance companies delay payment. Aetna is especially difficult.

JMintzer 02-24-2023 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Keefelane66 (Post 2190799)
Thanks for your inside and experience as a Dr but so many seem to know or offer more opinions with no experience.

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tophcfa 02-24-2023 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Villages Kahuna (Post 2190069)
I try to make it a point to stay up-to-date on the status of healthcare here in The Villages by asking my doctors or other healthcare providers.

Today I asked one of my doctors.about the status of the announced plan to make The Villages Regional Hospital a teaching hospital, training 24 new residents per year, beginning in 2024. It turns out that plan has been either tabled or scrapped altogether. UF Health has been unable to attract enough doctors and nurses to the area to operate the hospital, let alone train residents. They have had an ongoing national recruiting campaign for over a year, with almost no results. The responses to the recruiting campaign has been that younger doctors and those with school-age families don’t want to relocate to central Florida or The Villages.

But the biggest news from the docs was that UFHealth has withdrawn from the partnership with The Villages developer to build a larger teaching hospital in the south end of The Villages. It’s obvious that if the existing hospitals can’t be properly staffed, it would make little sense to build another even larger hospital in the same service area. The developer has begun to approach national chains to build the new hospital. But the national chains are likely to be aware of potential problems attracting enough doctors and nurses to staff a larger, new hospital.

I was left wondering, if UFHealth can’t properly staff The Villages Regional Hospital, how much longer will they remain committed to it’s ownership?

Don’t ever expect to read any of this in The Villages Daily Sun. Ask your doctors!

Yet every Tuesday the Daily Fun runs a section touting the Villages as Florida’s healthiest hometown. If the reasoning behind the argument was because of the residents living a active lifestyle incorporating many health activities, I’ll buy that. But touting the excellent healthcare in the area is nothing more than an insult to the intelligence of the papers readers.

Tblue 02-24-2023 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2190464)
The WHOLE HEALTHCARE problem could be easily solved by National Health Care like all the OTHER CIVILIZED countries in Europe and Asia. But, then the POOR Insurance executives would be forced to live in poverty........at a lowly $300,000 per year

I disagree with the idea of National Health Care Is needed here. With over 30 years as a health care provider I feel qualified to comment. My son and his wife both are physicians in Canada, both at the top of their specialties. Both out of training for about 15 years. Over the many years I have had the discussion of our medial system vs the National Health Care in Canada. As of now both, my son and his wife believe their health care system is beginning to fall apart. The over all percentage of medical care in the budget in Canada is ever increasing. It seems the politicians there are faced with raising taxes or cut services to pay for it all. To shorten this note there has been a very gradual cut in services and medical reimbursement not coming close to the no cost of living. Some procedures I think are being reimbursed at 2017 rates. To me it sounds as if their National Health Care system is starting to rupture. To compound this situation the pandemic has cut deep into Doctors/Nurses and support staff in their community. So for me we have our issues here in the United States, but it is a very big NO to National Health Care.


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