[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by Taurus510

Good question. Either way, I’d love to see the data. Please provide.

Try the CDC site, it has been there before. I have no desire to search for it again so go look for yourself.

[Taurus510]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

Try the CDC site, it has been there before. I have no desire to search for it again so go look for yourself.

LOL. Funny. I see this so often associated with this virus and vaccines. When asked to provide backup for a statement, the common reply is a snarky, ‘you can find the data, you can look for it, I’m not doing your work for you’. Almost always, some form of that statement.

[Altavia]

Originally Posted by Taurus510

You provided specific figures as to who is dying and why. These are all just generalities with lots of assumptions and speculation. If one spouts specific numbers, then that must mean they have seen specific data.

The data posted is in one of the links, did you look?

[Two Bills]

Originally Posted by Taurus510

LOL. Funny. I see this so often associated with this virus and vaccines. When asked to provide backup for a statement, the common reply is a snarky, ‘you can find the data, you can look for it, I’m not doing your work for you’. Almost always, some form of that statement.

This site has some numbers.
No idea how the site is viewed by the science world or by pro or anti vaccine camps.

How to Compare COVID Deaths for Vaccinated and Unvaccinated People - Scientific American

[Taurus510]

Originally Posted by Altavia

The data posted is in one of the links, did you look?

Yeah, trouble is, the CDC, WHO, and the medical “authorities” have lost all trust from many. They’ve manipulated data, lied, ostracized peers who tried to question the data or offer alternatives to the point that trust is totally lost for many of us. If you are one that still believes them, then good for you. I liked it a lot better when I trusted them. Now, as far as trustworthiness, I lump the entire medical establishment in with the government and media. Understand that I got the jab, I’ve regretted it for very good reasons, but I got it. I won’t be getting any boosters.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by Taurus510

Yeah, trouble is, the CDC, WHO, and the medical “authorities” have lost all trust from many. They’ve manipulated data, lied, ostracized peers who tried to question the data or offer alternatives to the point that trust is totally lost for many of us. If you are one that still believes them, then good for you. I liked it a lot better when I trusted them. Now, as far as trustworthiness, I lump the entire medical establishment in with the government and media. Understand that I got the jab, I’ve regretted it for very good reasons, but I got it.

Seriously???? And you know that HOW?????? And I resent being "lumped in" with anybody. Funny thing-----I don't know as much about virology and epidemiology as the combined physicians and researchers at the CDC, yet I know about a thousand times more than you. So how do you base your statement?

PS: I wouldn't mention the "lumped in" reference to the medical establishment when you visit your doctor

[Stu from NYC]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Seriously???? And you know that HOW?????? And I resent being "lumped in" with anybody. Funny thing-----I don't know as much about virology and epidemiology as the combined physicians and researchers at the CDC, yet I know about a thousand times more than you. So how do you base your statement?

PS: I wouldn't mention the "lumped in" reference to the medical establishment when you visit your doctor

Amazing how some people think they know so much more than graduates of medical school with many years of practice.

Thanks for your posts.

[Taurus510]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Seriously???? And you know that HOW?????? And I resent being "lumped in" with anybody. Funny thing-----I don't know as much about virology and epidemiology as the combined physicians and researchers at the CDC, yet I know about a thousand times more than you. So how do you base your statement?

PS: I wouldn't mention the "lumped in" reference to the medical establishment when you visit your doctor

Hmm, I know what about HOW? And how did I lump you in with anything/anybody? Did I say I knew anything about virology and epidemiology? Or did I say that I don’t trust those agencies. Wow.

Oh and by the way, my doctor knows EXACTLY how I feel. He stated that he completely understood why I feel the way I do. And when I said medical establishment, I wasn’t talking about my PCP. There’s that magical word “establishment”, which I’m referring to the alphabet organizations, and of course include Lord Fauci.

[Taurus510]

Originally Posted by Stu from NYC

Amazing how some people think they know so much more than graduates of medical school with many years of practice.

Thanks for your posts.

Again, read what was posted. Where did I state that I knew more than anyone? I said I don’t TRUST them. There’s a difference, believe it or not.

[Velvet]

Originally Posted by La lamy

I'm sick right now. It started with headache, earache, sore throat. Next day I also got weird itchy painful rash under chin. Today congested sinuses/blowing nose. Took at home Covid test and it came out negative. Maybe just a normal cold, but that rash has supposedly been seen with Covid. Whatever it is, I'm staying home until symptom free.

Best wishes and take care. According to various sources, the new vaccine against B5 variant etc is “supposed” to be available in the fall. Recommended for those 50 and above.

Personally I continue to believe in the N95 mask. I understand it bothers some people but I’m quite happy with it - and my rights… I have the right to wear a mask .

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by Taurus510

Hmm, I know what about HOW? And how did I lump you in with anything/anybody? Did I say I knew anything about virology and epidemiology? Or did I say that I don’t trust those agencies. Wow.

Oh and by the way, my doctor knows EXACTLY how I feel. He stated that he completely understood why I feel the way I do. And when I said medical establishment, I wasn’t talking about my PCP. There’s that magical word “establishment”, which I’m referring to the alphabet organizations, and of course include Lord Fauci.

Originally Posted by Taurus510

Again, read what was posted. Where did I state that I knew more than anyone? I said I don’t TRUST them. There’s a difference, believe it or not.

There must be a basis for the lack of trust in these organizations. Just what is it? It's hard to form an opinion of statements from the CDC without a sound basis in the medical science that they are well versed in. But I'm glad to know I'm not lumped in with the "medical establishment". And as far as "Lord Fauci" goes, do you know him? Have you had several dinners with him and hours long discussion? Because I would not characterize him as a "Lord". But I will concede that was 25 years ago and people change.

[Altavia]

Originally Posted by Taurus510

. Understand that I got the jab, I’ve regretted it for very good reasons, but I got it. I won’t be getting any boosters.

So what data are you baseing your regrets and choice to avoid boosters?

[Taurus510]

Originally Posted by Altavia

So what data are you baseing your regrets and choice to avoid boosters?

That would be personal health issues that have been attributed to the vaccine. Yes, I’m one of “those rare individuals” that have suffered long term, (one year), very “rare” problems producing fairly intense pain early on. Still pain, not nearly as intense as the first few months. So that is the “data” that I am basing my regrets on. And yes, the medically diagnosed condition is not based on my internet research. My “data” has come from medical professionals and specialists and from my personal challenges.

[Altavia]

Originally Posted by Taurus510

That would be personal health issues that have been attributed to the vaccine. Yes, I’m one of “those rare individuals” that have suffered long term, (one year), very “rare” problems producing fairly intense pain early on. Still pain, not nearly as intense as the first few months. So that is the “data” that I am basing my regrets on. And yes, the medically diagnosed condition is not based on my internet research. My “data” has come from medical professionals and specialists and from my personal challenges.

Very sorry you suffered from some rare sensitivity to the vaccine.

Is it an autoimmune problem?

Long COVID as I am sure you are aware is reported in as much as 20% of cases and can have some severe long term effects.

There are risks from all sides.I have not seen data for the vaccine side.

However with threebillion people vaccinated worldwide, the lack of data tells something.

The benefits far outweigh the risks - the perfect is the enemy of the good.

[Taurus510]

Originally Posted by Altavia

Very sorry you suffered from some rare sensitivity to the vaccine.

Is it an autoimmune problem?

Long COVID as I am sure you are aware is reported in as much as 20% of cases and can have some severe long term effects.

There are risks from all sides.I have not seen data for the vaccine side.

However with threebillion people vaccinated worldwide, the lack of data tells something.

The benefits far outweigh the risks - the perfect is the enemy of the good.

No autoimmune problems or health problems. BEFORE.

“ The benefits far outweigh the risks - the perfect is the enemy of the good.”

I’m sorry, you’ll have to sell that platitude somewhere else.