Was that a study or real-world observations on a national and international scale?

The family members of the over 1,000,000 Americans that have died WISH they could make the same statement. The excess death numbers (actual count of dead bodies) back up that 1,000,000 number.

Don't give into fear, but also don't "bravely" follow a fool who overestimates his knowledge of epidemiology, virology, and statistics.

that question is fuzzy logic.

My statement was 2 deaths out of 2 billion proves less than nothing, not the converse

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The data is all over the place. Need to search for the evolution and come to your own conclusions.

Almost All U.S. COVID-19 Deaths Now in the Unvaccinated

Growing share of Covid-19 deaths are among vaccinated people, but booster shots substantially lower the risk - CNN

How likely is COVID-19 hospitalization for vaccinated Americans?

Who is dying of COVID amid omicron surge and widespread vaccine availability? - ABC News

https://www.washingtonpost.com/healt...ated-boosters/

medicare gives 3 free tests kits per family. you don't need to have medicare its about per street address. no personal info is required just your address and boom 2 weeks an I got 3 kits w 8 tests per kit. 15 minutes and results.

Good information, thank you.

Good question. Either way, I’d love to see the data. Please provide.

You provided specific figures as to who is dying and why. These are all just generalities with lots of assumptions and speculation. If one spouts specific numbers, then that must mean they have seen specific data.

So then what you’re saying is that you know of no data that states that any lives were saved by getting the jab.

Try the CDC site, it has been there before. I have no desire to search for it again so go look for yourself.

LOL. Funny. I see this so often associated with this virus and vaccines. When asked to provide backup for a statement, the common reply is a snarky, ‘you can find the data, you can look for it, I’m not doing your work for you’. Almost always, some form of that statement.

The data posted is in one of the links, did you look?

This site has some numbers.
No idea how the site is viewed by the science world or by pro or anti vaccine camps.

How to Compare COVID Deaths for Vaccinated and Unvaccinated People - Scientific American

Yeah, trouble is, the CDC, WHO, and the medical “authorities” have lost all trust from many. They’ve manipulated data, lied, ostracized peers who tried to question the data or offer alternatives to the point that trust is totally lost for many of us. If you are one that still believes them, then good for you. I liked it a lot better when I trusted them. Now, as far as trustworthiness, I lump the entire medical establishment in with the government and media. Understand that I got the jab, I’ve regretted it for very good reasons, but I got it. I won’t be getting any boosters.

Seriously???? And you know that HOW?????? And I resent being "lumped in" with anybody. Funny thing-----I don't know as much about virology and epidemiology as the combined physicians and researchers at the CDC, yet I know about a thousand times more than you. So how do you base your statement?

PS: I wouldn't mention the "lumped in" reference to the medical establishment when you visit your doctor

Amazing how some people think they know so much more than graduates of medical school with many years of practice.

Thanks for your posts.

Hmm, I know what about HOW? And how did I lump you in with anything/anybody? Did I say I knew anything about virology and epidemiology? Or did I say that I don’t trust those agencies. Wow.

Oh and by the way, my doctor knows EXACTLY how I feel. He stated that he completely understood why I feel the way I do. And when I said medical establishment, I wasn’t talking about my PCP. There’s that magical word “establishment”, which I’m referring to the alphabet organizations, and of course include Lord Fauci.

Again, read what was posted. Where did I state that I knew more than anyone? I said I don’t TRUST them. There’s a difference, believe it or not.

Best wishes and take care. According to various sources, the new vaccine against B5 variant etc is “supposed” to be available in the fall. Recommended for those 50 and above.

Personally I continue to believe in the N95 mask. I understand it bothers some people but I’m quite happy with it - and my rights… I have the right to wear a mask :).

There must be a basis for the lack of trust in these organizations. Just what is it? It's hard to form an opinion of statements from the CDC without a sound basis in the medical science that they are well versed in. But I'm glad to know I'm not lumped in with the "medical establishment". And as far as "Lord Fauci" goes, do you know him? Have you had several dinners with him and hours long discussion? Because I would not characterize him as a "Lord". But I will concede that was 25 years ago and people change.

So what data are you baseing your regrets and choice to avoid boosters?

That would be personal health issues that have been attributed to the vaccine. Yes, I’m one of “those rare individuals” that have suffered long term, (one year), very “rare” problems producing fairly intense pain early on. Still pain, not nearly as intense as the first few months. So that is the “data” that I am basing my regrets on. And yes, the medically diagnosed condition is not based on my internet research. My “data” has come from medical professionals and specialists and from my personal challenges.

Very sorry you suffered from some rare sensitivity to the vaccine.

Is it an autoimmune problem?

Long COVID as I am sure you are aware is reported in as much as 20% of cases and can have some severe long term effects.

There are risks from all sides.I have not seen data for the vaccine side.

However with threebillion people vaccinated worldwide, the lack of data tells something.

The benefits far outweigh the risks - the perfect is the enemy of the good.

No autoimmune problems or health problems. BEFORE.

“ The benefits far outweigh the risks - the perfect is the enemy of the good.”

I’m sorry, you’ll have to sell that platitude somewhere else.

Hogwash!

Thank goodness for the variants. This Covid virus is less virulent now. Isn't that the natural evolution of viruses?

Were those "two instances" immunocompromised?

The evolution of viruses where there is a vaccine favors mutations that result in the virus becoming more contagious. If the virus kills too quickly, it will kill the host before it spreads enough to ramp up.

So, the evolutionary step most likely to survive is one that is more contagious and less deadly, allowing it to spread further and faster.

The danger is that since it is spreading rapidly, with a lot of hosts to mutate in, there is an opportunity to mutate into one that I’ve very contagious and that can completely. Bypass the vaccine. If that happens we are back to day one.

So far it hasn’t happened, but with so many unvaccinated hosts, it is still a strong possibility.

Thank you, I have been metaphorically biting my tongue, I was so tempted to say that.

No.

I second that. Thanks GE.

We wouldn't be back to "day one" with a virus that is less virulent than the original strain. More contagious, yes, but not as deadly.

So sorry.

This gets complicated. And as with all misinformation that contains a touch of truth, it can be misinterpreted.

If the vaccine is preventing the mutated virus from being as deadly, then it can in fact mutate getting more contagious and MORE DEADLY, but hosts will survive longer since they are vaccinated. Then when it mutates again it could bypass the vaccine completely, and it will be both more contagious and more deadly.

That has NOT happened yet. In the random events known as mutation it could happen, the more hosts it infects, the more types of mutations that can occur. One of those could be the bad news bear.

That is WHY it is so important that enough people are vaccinated to prevent that possibility. That is why smallpox if mostly gone. That is why, until recently polio was gone. Vaccines were pretty much mandated everywhere and so, the virus was prevented from spreading rapidly and mutating rapidly until it self extinguished - mostly.

The recent surge of "anti-vaxxers" has brought Measles back from the dead, and have now reintroduced Polio. More to come as we progress further and further into the Dark Ages V2.

From or "with" Covid?

Testing is pointless
 

Not only are the tests inaccurate but pointless. If you feel sick, then stay home and have some chicken soup.

You mean WITH or tested positive. How many MILLIONS really had the virus and did NOT die from it?
Not related directly, but whenever I go to a doctor's appointment now, the receptionist asks me if I had my covid vaccination. They never ask for proof and never ask if I have had any boosters. Makes one wonder if they are taking covid seriously or just going through the motions.

After getting up every morning (at the beginning) to get on a list for the vaccination, and finally driving over an hour to get the shots for my wife and myself, we finally felt that we had done our due diligence by getting vaccinated. Then the boosters were available some time after that, but my wife felt ill and used the home test kit to find out that she tested positive. Her doctor prescribed a "Z"pack which she is allergic to, so she just treated it like a cold. She is diabetic, cancer survivor and hypertensive with medication. She fared well. I came down with symptoms and called my doctor. He told me that they did not treat for home test kit results and said I had to get a "real" test. I didn't bother and just treated my symptoms like a cold. Since I seemed to have a sinus infection, I took my wife's "Z" pack which seemed to work almost immediately (couple days) and over the counter cold medicine. We didn't have the booster then and have not gotten one since. However we do know of family that rush out and get every booster that becomes available, sanitize obsessively and still caught the virus. I do not know if the vaccinations have made a difference, but figured that they were important at the beginning, so we got them. Now, my wife refuses to get the boosters and since I do not get flu shots, I am not going to get the boosters either. That is my choice and just my opinion, as a non-medical, non-professional. It is NOT luck that I have not had a serious illness, because I have the worst luck in the world if I ever gamble. I have never in my life picked a single number from a winning lottery ticket. I do not win at poker, ever. I have never won at a prize drawing. If anything, I am blessed, not lucky. Or, maybe lucky to be blessed? Anyway, I do not attempt to discourage anyone in my family from getting vaccinations. This is simply my choice, based on my opinion that I don't want that stuff in my system. I have had my shingles shot and my pneumonia vaccination. When traveling overseas, I got the required inoculations required. Whether I am right or wrong is not relevant. Arguing over whether or not shots work is not relevant because there are way too many factors involved regarding the medical history of the patients. Also my opinion and not a professional statement. Do what is best for you, in YOUR opinion. I live my life as normal as possible right now. If someone feels that I might be a carrier of the covid, then I guess you had better avoid me or continue to wear protection.

No.