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Old 03-27-2020, 12:21 PM
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Why does the media ignore these numbers?

2019-2020 U.S. Flu Season: Preliminary Burden Estimates | CDC
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Old 03-27-2020, 12:27 PM
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Not sure they ignore them, but there is a vaccine to prevent the flu and drugs to treat it. For the Coronavirus, there is no vaccine or approved treatment.
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Old 03-27-2020, 12:37 PM
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I agree there is a vaccine but even with the vaccine there are 24,000-62,000 deaths from the flu and in my mind death is death whether by the flu or coronavirus.
I think the difference is that the flu deaths are an every year event so we have learned to live with it but the Coronavirus is new and gives the media something new to write about.
Should we be concerned, yes but panic and hysteria NO
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Old 03-27-2020, 12:54 PM
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I agree there is a vaccine but even with the vaccine there are 24,000-62,000 deaths from the flu and in my mind death is death whether by the flu or coronavirus.
I think the difference is that the flu deaths are an every year event so we have learned to live with it but the Coronavirus is new and gives the media something new to write about.
Should we be concerned, yes but panic and hysteria NO
That number is per year.

We haven't had a year of COVID-19 yet. We haven't even had the same number of months as the average flu season yet.
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Old 03-27-2020, 01:56 PM
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No, those numbers are from when the flu season begins which the CDC estimates is October 1 and the numbers they post are thru March 21 so they have also estimated the 1,000 people die per week from the flu.
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I agree there is a vaccine but even with the vaccine there are 24,000-62,000 deaths from the flu and in my mind death is death whether by the flu or coronavirus.
I think the difference is that the flu deaths are an every year event so we have learned to live with it but the Coronavirus is new and gives the media something new to write about.
Should we be concerned, yes but panic and hysteria NO
This is discussed ad nauseum and experts, not those in P, have stated over and over it is a very invalid measurement for many reasons.
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This is discussed ad nauseum and experts, not those in P, have stated over and over it is a very invalid measurement for many reasons.
I would disagree on the ad nauseum comment but beyond that; other than the incomplete time period why is a direct comparison of death rates a "very invalid measurement"?
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Are you practicing social distancing now and did you do every flu season?
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Old 03-28-2020, 04:52 AM
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This is discussed ad nauseum and experts, not those in P, have stated over and over it is a very invalid measurement for many reasons.
says who?
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2019-2020 U.S. Flu Season: Preliminary Burden Estimates | CDC
Seasonal Flu Deaths in US 2017-2018 61 Thousand. Why are we not looking at those numbers. This COV19 has death rate of 1.3% and that is almost half the season flu rate
What are we doing?
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2019-2020 U.S. Flu Season: Preliminary Burden Estimates | CDC
Why do the media ignore these numbers? Perhaps because those public figures who are recognized as those most knowledgeable in the field of infectious diseases have reiterated time and again (“ad nauseum”?) that we have been exposed to influenza decade after decade, have had flu shots (some of us), resulting in the human immune system having developed at least SOME immunity/resistance, in contrast with coronavirus, which we are told is a completely new disease to which the human immune system has NEVER been exposed.

I don’t have the medical qualifications to suggest a comparison between these two different diseases, so I choose to listen to those with the appropriate qualifications. Evidently so do the media.

Anyone who chooses to consider coronavirus the same as the flu and thus ignore the best available advice is certainly free to do so.
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Old 03-28-2020, 06:21 AM
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Corona is much more contagious then the flu.
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Old 03-28-2020, 06:35 AM
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Why does the media ignore these numbers?

2019-2020 U.S. Flu Season: Preliminary Burden Estimates | CDC
Thanks for the link. (For those who haven’t looked, it says
38 million to 54 million flu illnesses this season.
18 million to 26 million medical visits for flu this season.
400 thousand to 730 thousand hospitalizations for flu this season.
24 thousand to 64 thousand deaths from the flu this season.
It also says this: “ How does the number of flu hospitalizations estimated so far this season compare with previous end-of-season hospitalization estimates? The number of hospitalizations estimated so far this season is lower than end-of-season total hospitalization estimates for any season since CDC began making these estimates.”

By contrast, the current count of Coronavirus cases in the U.S., as of this moment, is 105 THOUSAND, with under 1,800 deaths. This disease has the possibility of being gigantic, and certainly it is leading to problems at hospitals in a few cities, but it may also end up being a relative flash in the pan compared to what the flu does yearly. Wouldn’t that be terrific?

Perhaps we are right to be extremely cautious. I’ve been in voluntary quarantine for three weeks now, apart from a few trips to stores (not for toilet paper). I applaud The Villages for shutting down restaurants, pools, recreation centers, etc. That will save lives! And stop complaining about losing your Amenity Fees. The extra cost of running the place right now far surpasses the cost of amenities at normal times.

Why are we in panic mode? Primarily television news, whatever your favorite channel may be. For example, I get my weather news from a very accurate source called WeatherUnderground.com. Say there’s snow in the forecast in New York City. Weather Underground says 1-3”. The television weather people say “This could be the worst storm ever for this date! Experts say we could get as much as 18” of snow! Emergency teams are getting ready! Stay home, whatever you do! Stay tuned for more storm information after these local advertisements that are going to bring us many thousands of dollars!” And New York gets 1” of snow. Weather Underground was right. Do the television news teams offer a profound apology? No way!

What I’m saying is that rumors of epidemics and storms and terrorist events keep people glued to the news channels, so the television news gives us what we want in order to maximize profits, even if what they tell is is highly exaggerated.

One thing I’m sure of is that the social distancing we are practicing right now will save lives: not only deaths from the Coronavirus but deaths from the flu. Quite possibly many thousands of deaths from the flu. Maybe even more deaths from the flu than from the Coronavirus. I’ll bet we could save thousands of lives a year if we did this every flu season. I think it’s quite possible that there are far more people right now in The Villages with the flu than with the Coronavirus, and there may be many more deaths in The Villages this year from the flu. Yet we don’t panic about that. We just get our vaccines and avoid other people when we get sick.

Am I scared? Well, yes! Am I doing what it takes to stay alive? You bet! Are we unduly terrified? Probably. Are we doing the right thing? Maybe. But is our panic damaging our economic structure and my retirement funds? Sure is! Is it causing economic hardship to millions? Yup! Is it adding immense amounts to the national debt (that WE owe!)? Yes.

Yesterday I talked with my 91 year old father on the phone. He lives in Denver. My sister lives in Tucson. He said her daughter (his grand-daughter) had called, sobbing, because she had just driven my sister to the emergency room of a local hospital, and she had been explaining where to find her will and her passwords and who to call when she died. My sister was sent to a triage tent. Then she was sent to the emergency room. Her daughter wasn’t let into the emergency room, so she was waiting in the car, sobbing to my dad. My sister’s symptoms were a running and clogged up nose, a fever, a wet cough, and body aches.

Did you catch that? Are you up on Coronavirus symptoms, or are you among the panicking sheep? My dad knew instantly that my sister did not have the Coronavirus, and so did I. The symptoms are wrong. While her daughter was still on the phone to my dad, my sister came out, knocked on the car window, and said, “Let’s go home.” The emergency room nurse said she had a heavy cold or a mild case of the flu. If my sister hadn’t panicked and had known the symptoms, she would have stayed home and not been part of the problem in the hospital. She also could have saved the health care system (us) a lot of money in hospital costs.

How many of the people in The Villages who got tested for the Coronavirus this week didn’t need to be?
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Old 03-28-2020, 06:37 AM
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No, those numbers are from when the flu season begins which the CDC estimates is October 1 and the numbers they post are thru March 21 so they have also estimated the 1,000 people die per week from the flu.

>The worst case scenario for COVID-19 is 2.2 million Americans will die of it. One of the symptoms is the loss of taste and/or smell. 200 million people died of the bubonic plague and 50-100 million died of the Spanish Flu. Pandemics are not a joke.
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Old 03-28-2020, 06:38 AM
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Seasonal Flu Deaths in US 2017-2018 61 Thousand. Why are we not looking at those numbers. This COV19 has death rate of 1.3% and that is almost half the season flu rate
What are we doing?
You should check your math. Using the numbers from the CDC estimate, the Flu death rate is between .06% - .12%. Which makes the COV19 death rate at least 10 times that of the flu.

So, what we are doing (at least some of us), is using some common sense.
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