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BrianL99 07-22-2025 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2447829)

The "autoimmune indicator" is not the root cause of the disease, it is just a laboratory marker and they tend to be "flakey" at best.

After 5 years of a Sed Rate 10-150 & GFR from 22-80, my Rheumatologist said, "well, in Med School they taught us to treat the patient, not the numbers. If you feel great, I don't want to see the numbers anymore". :laugh:

golfing eagles 07-22-2025 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by BrianL99 (Post 2447837)
After 5 years of a Sed Rate 10-150 & GFR from 22-80, my Rheumatologist said, "well, in Med School they taught us to treat the patient, not the numbers. If you feel great, I don't want to see the numbers anymore". :laugh:

Sed rates can do that, they are extremely non-specific. Did you really mean GFR (Glomerular filtration rate) because 22 is stage 4 chronic renal failure and quite serious. GFR's are pretty accurate and should never vary 22-88 unless you had a reversible renal injury such as a post-viral glomerulonephritis.

BrianL99 07-22-2025 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2447840)
Sed rates can do that, they are extremely non-specific. Did you really mean GFR (Glomerular filtration rate) because 22 is stage 4 chronic renal failure and quite serious. GFR's are pretty accurate and should never vary 22-88 unless you had a reversible renal injury such as a post-viral glomerulonephritis.

I meant CRP (C-Reactive). Posted before coffee.

So I've refrained from commenting on your characterization of Chiropractors, because I generally agree. That said ...

One of my best friends, I've been playing golf with for 30 years, is a Chiropractor. Smartest guy I know.

I spent a year in pain. PCP never ran a Sed Rate or C-Reactive test. Sent me to an orthopedic guy, for bad shoulders. Cortisone shots, MRI ... guy says I have a bad Rotator Cuffs on both sides, along with a torn Labrum on one of them. Wants to do surgery (this was 10 years ago).

My Chiropractor friend says ... "Trying to sew together your Rotator Cuffs, is going be like sewing together 2 pieces of wet toilet paper ... never going to work". "Besides, there's no way anyone gets spontaneous, bilateral Rotator Cuff failure, without trauma involved. There's something else going on".

My daughter and I spent 4 hours researching with Google. Decided it was PMR. When to a Rheumatologist the next day. Yep, PMR. 3 years of Prednisone, on & off. Can't get C-Reactive below 17, but I feel like a million bucks and shot 73 today, from the Blues ... ergo, my Rheumatologist saying, "screw the numbers, if you feel good, that's what matters". As you said, the numbers on auto-immune stuff are wanky and there's simply no real cure.

My Chiropractor friend, is a Chiropractor to the stars. PGA Tour certified for Tournament Tour Van. Most all the Boston professional sports teams use him, other than the Red Sox. He's not an "adjustor" or an "alignment" guy. He's a Physical Therapist on steroids. I'm not sure he'd know how to do a back "adjustment", but he's great at knowing how to recover from injuries and muscular pain. He stays away from medical diagnosis ... stick with what you know.


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