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fishon 07-14-2021 02:44 PM
We’ve gone from 14 days to flatten the curve to 14 months, to house to house, door to door searches.

Show me your papers.

I did nat see that coming.

I have nothing to fear. COVID didn’t make me sick.

Bonnevie 07-14-2021 02:56 PM
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Originally Posted by lpkruege1 (Post 1972729)
Funny you should ask. If it saves one life. What about the lives the vaccines take? What about the real health consequences some people are susceptible to? Everyone has to make their own choice to get vaccinated. CDC says there is 0.65 % mortality rate for those infected with Covid 19. Yet there are those that have died or developed severe reactions to the vaccine. How many lives lost to vaccination is acceptable to you?
F.D.A. Attaches Warning of Rare Nerve Syndrome to Johnson & Johnson Covid Vaccine
June 7th, 2021, VAERS received 5,208 reports of death (0.0017%) so you have a greater than 99% of living after getting the vaccine. so the odds favor getting a vaccine over getting covid.

OrangeBlossomBaby 07-14-2021 02:57 PM
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Originally Posted by GrumpyOldMan (Post 1972501)
I completely understand your post and agree with it. I also get numerous complaints and insults, normally from people that make the thread political, because by god they have the right to say anything they want to.

But, I still think we need to be the ones to try to tone down the discussion. "They" obviously are only interested in confrontational discusssions.
As long as "they" continue to be permitted to post confrontations rather than discussions, this entire forum will continue to be one of confrontation. "They" are in the majority in this community, both on and off line. "They" get to call the shots. Even if those shots are nasty, hate-spewing, uneducated, bigoted, and ignorant. If you dare to call "them" on it, YOU get called nasty.

Talk of the Villages IS the bully pulpit.

OrangeBlossomBaby 07-14-2021 03:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Bonnevie (Post 1973032)
June 7th, 2021, VAERS received 5,208 reports of death (0.0017%) so you have a greater than 99% of living after getting the vaccine. so the odds favor getting a vaccine over getting covid.
In addition, anyone can report to VAERS. If you got a hang-nail while taking a medicine, and report it, then "hangnails" become correlated with taking that medicine. It becomes part of the statistics.

If someone gets hit by a truck and dies of severe brain-hemorrhage, and they just got vaccinated last week, then "brain-hemorrhage" will become one of the possible correlations with the vaccine.

That's just how VAERS works. And it says so in big bold letters when you check the website. But most people ignore those big bold letters and take the information and make up their "facts" to back up their agenda by using it.

OrangeBlossomBaby 07-14-2021 03:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Aces4 (Post 1973035)
Same reason the dimwit and dimwitees aren’t getting anywhere with it. People have choices and those people who have decided not to vaccinate at this time do not want the government, who guarantees their freedom of choice, shoving it down their throats.

If I’m not mistaken, didn’t Asianthree who works in the medical field, decline the vaccinations for now?
As long as those people who are fighting for "freedom of choice" are fighting for the same freedom of a woman to choose what happens to her body, I'll respect their choice. Otherwise, no respect, and "oh well, too bad, so sad" if they get sick as a result of their choice.

Aces4 07-14-2021 03:03 PM
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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 1973037)
In addition, anyone can report to VAERS. If you got a hang-nail while taking a medicine, and report it, then "hangnails" become correlated with taking that medicine. It becomes part of the statistics.

If someone gets hit by a truck and dies of severe brain-hemorrhage, and they just got vaccinated last week, then "brain-hemorrhage" will become one of the possible correlations with the vaccine.

That's just how VAERS works. And it says so in big bold letters when you check the website. But most people ignore those big bold letters and take the information and make up their "facts" to back up their agenda by using it.
Hmmm, seems to work the same way they counted covid-19 deaths.

OrangeBlossomBaby 07-14-2021 03:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter (Post 1973022)
If the orange haired one really supports the vaccine (and he should get some credit for making that happen) why isn't he out there encouraging all the trumpers & trumpetts to get vacinated? Does he even realize that his base is dying off?
Something we agree on. The earth, as it turns out, is not flat afterall.

Halle-freakin-lujah.

Aces4 07-14-2021 03:05 PM
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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 1973040)
As long as those people who are fighting for "freedom of choice" are fighting for the same freedom of a woman to choose what happens to her body, I'll respect their choice. Otherwise, no respect, and "oh well, too bad, so sad" if they get sick as a result of their choice.
How do you equate deciding on receiving a vaccine with murdering an unborn child?

JMintzer 07-14-2021 03:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 1972862)
I believe you will find that is the 7-day average of daily deaths.

154 -> 1078 deaths in a week
205 -> 1435 deaths in a week (1500 seemed close enough)

It's odd that those numbers are about 50 less than what the WaPo presents. It *could* be that the WaPo accumulates on the day the deaths were reported rather than assigning them to the day they occurred.
The article states 7-day average, not 7-day "daily" average...

JMintzer 07-14-2021 03:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Dana1963 (Post 1972919)
Only 15,000+ Covid cases reported by Florida 7/13/2021
"The state is reporting daily cases close to four times the national average...the second-highest number in the country. The state’s latest covid-19 death rate is almost double the national figure."
Florida is currently #25 in death rates nationally...

• U.S. COVID-19 death rate by state | Statista

I can't find anything to back up or refute your 15000+ cases claim...

JMintzer 07-14-2021 03:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Spalumbos62 (Post 1972941)
But as many have said, and common sense, things changed daily with the proceedings of handling of this virus....mask- no mask, distance, droplets. He's not a God, nor pretends to be....they found info and put it out there. It was ever evolving...sorry you can't open your mind, but just criticize.
Well, we now know that he purposely lied to the public, so there's that...

JMintzer 07-14-2021 03:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Spalumbos62 (Post 1972949)
Oh we all know the reasoning behind all that, remember Dr Birk (sp) on 60minutes and many other news shows, the pressure to lie from T
No, he lied quite easily, on his own, without any pressure from any particular letter...

Aces4 07-14-2021 03:36 PM
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Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 1973063)
No, he lied quite easily, on his own, without any pressure from any particular letter...
As does the current whatever you want to call him...

JMintzer 07-14-2021 03:40 PM
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Originally Posted by GrumpyOldMan (Post 1972966)
I can see a time approaching when the decision will be taken out of their hands. When the government will have to step in and mandate vaccinations. I hope not, but it looks inevitible. And that will be a major poltical shat storm.
I hope you're wrong, because that is the very sort of tyranny people have been preparing to fight against...

OrangeBlossomBaby 07-14-2021 03:42 PM
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Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 1973063)
No, he lied quite easily, on his own, without any pressure from any particular letter...
Dr. Birk is a woman.

She was under pressure to lie for that president.


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