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PatandBob 12-11-2017 08:25 AM

[QUOTE=dillywho;1487565]Please try Dr. Robert Lesh at Southern Trace Dental. I have been going to him for years. I have never had him even mention deep cleaning. On occasion, I will have a pocket and they simply fill it with an antibiotic, and that's the end of it. QUOTE]

Our experience with him hasn't been as positive. He pushed deep cleaning on me (didn't get it) and said I needed $4000 worth of dental work. Got a second opinion when I went back home from my previous dentist who said I didn't need so much work.

dmkot2nd 12-11-2017 08:32 AM

I went to several dentists in the Villages who always wanted to do a deep cleaning. I have no insurance and this costs a lot of money so I finally decided to look it up online. From what I read online, a deep cleaning is only required if the person has not had any cleanings over the past several years. Since I always got my teeth cleaned every six months, I felt this was a scam. Seems like a lot of the dentists around here want to make quick money as soon as you enter their business. I cancelled my deep cleaning and now go to a small dental practice in Fruitland Park/Leesburg.

corona_lolita@hotmail.com 12-11-2017 08:43 AM

This seems to be a trend. Most people take better care of their teeth than in the past, so as a result less maintenance is needed. Deep cleaning is the answer to lack of maintenance. Just my opinion. I've been told I have perfect teeth. When my pockets were measured they were all 1's and 2's and an occasional 3. I went to a dentist near the villages for my '$59.00 cleaning and X-rays '. They told me they have to do deep cleaning and it would be over $400.00. I said to jus t do the regular cleaning that comes with the pkg. They said that if they did that it would be unethical to not do the deep cleaning. I said it is unethical to not to ANY cleaning. I left the place and now go to Aspen Dental on 466. They dont force any procedures.

Retired and happy 12-11-2017 08:47 AM

Great dentist
 
I second the comment on Dr. Luong. Her office is in downtown Spanish Springs and her phone number is: *(352) 350-1933‬. We have been with her for five years. We have had some complicated issues with our teeth and her extensive training and compassionate care keeps us recommending her practice. Just last week I asked her about capping a tooth and she said a replacement filling is all I need...not exactly looking for a profit!

mellincf 12-11-2017 09:00 AM

I have my teeth cleaned every three months and have an excellent dentist...I spend about $4 k on my teeth annually. I've never heard of "root scaling" OR deep cleaning, even when I smoked. I'd double check if I were you. Google it.

biker1 12-11-2017 09:07 AM

Read post #13.

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Originally Posted by mellincf (Post 1488309)
I have my teeth cleaned every three months and have an excellent dentist...I spend about $4 k on my teeth annually. I've never heard of "root scaling" OR deep cleaning, even when I smoked. I'd double check if I were you. Google it.


southsun 12-11-2017 09:31 AM

Dental scam
 
I got so fed up with dentists in central Fl years ago I started making the trips to UF school of Dentistry and got on their program. They almost wouldn`t work with me because I didn`t have enough work needed! This after three area dentists tried telling me I needed $7000. to $9000 worth of dental work! I was told there by one of them at one point that the dentists in Central Fl. tend to want to "rebuild" rather that repair down here. Not free up there but really priced low and they tell you the truth! They have students and faculty all over you and when you leave your not financially raped!

pgc4340 12-11-2017 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr (Post 1485940)
I went to Lake Sumter Dentistry yesterday for my free exam and x-rays.

I was told that I needed a deep cleaning and root scaling.

I was having work done at another dentist but got tired of driving an hour to Ocala so I thought I'd try someone new. My wife began going there and she likes them.

My dentist in Ocala never mentioned anything about deep cleaning. The dentist at LSD says that he can't tell if I have any cavities until the heavy stains are removed. That sounds absurd to me. My Ocala dentist was able to see minor decay from the x-rays.

I now that some people on here have recommended Lake Sumter, but I got really concerned when they mentioned "deep cleaning" which I've often heard is a scam.

I made an appointment for this deep cleaning, but I intend to cancel it.

Any opinions or suggestion would be appreciated.

I would get another opinion. When looking for a new dentist in The Villages, I was told the same thing by one dentist. All the work the dentist told me I needed would cost $5000.00 for my co-pay with dental insurance. It seemed strange to me because when I have my teeth cleaned, the hygienist always tells me that my mouth is the cleanest they have seen in a long time. I have had two different dentists since that time and found the only thing which needed to be done was the replacement of an ancient filling which had cracked. I have my teeth cleaned every six months, and that one dentist is the only one who has ever mentioned deep cleaning. "If it ain't broke, don't fix it".

dyobrien 12-11-2017 10:34 AM

Deep cleaning
 
I was told up north that I needed it. I let it go for a few years due to other health issues. When I got here I found a dentist per a referral and they said the same thing and sent me to a periodontist. My gums no longer bleed and the swelling went down. It was unpleasant to say the least, but I am glad that I did it. I recommend Wadsworth Dentistry on 441

autumnspring 12-11-2017 11:45 AM

That 59.00 special
 
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Originally Posted by corona_lolita@hotmail.com (Post 1488292)
This seems to be a trend. Most people take better care of their teeth than in the past, so as a result less maintenance is needed. Deep cleaning is the answer to lack of maintenance. Just my opinion. I've been told I have perfect teeth. When my pockets were measured they were all 1's and 2's and an occasional 3. I went to a dentist near the villages for my '$59.00 cleaning and X-rays '. They told me they have to do deep cleaning and it would be over $400.00. I said to jus t do the regular cleaning that comes with the pkg. They said that if they did that it would be unethical to not do the deep cleaning. I said it is unethical to not to ANY cleaning. I left the place and now go to Aspen Dental on 466. They dont force any procedures.

Sadly many dentists in this area offer such MARKETING SCHEMES. In other BUSINESSES it is called a LOSS LEADER. They get you in to SELL you something.

debh1028 12-11-2017 11:51 AM

Hi,

I'm a dental hygienist and although I haven't worked in the field for 20 years, I believe I can answer your question.
#1: - Cavities aren't always picked up with x-rays; many are but not all.
#2: The main reason for a deep scaling and root planing is because of periodontal disease. We have a greater chance of losing our teeth due to periodontal issues than cavities in our age range. Contrary to what another person said, not every cleaning is "deep scaling" because not everyone needs it. Dentists and hygienists use probes to determine the need.
#3: Heavy stains are extrinsic and not removed by deep scaling (which is below the gumline) or root planing. They're generally removed with instruments, ultrasonic scalers, and polishing with prophy paste that contains pumice.

Hope that helps a little. I don't know which dentist you were seeing in Ocala, but I can highly recommend Stephen Dunn.

Best wishes.

Henryk 12-11-2017 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Dan9871 (Post 1486085)
I've been going to Village Dental since we got here, about 4 years. They done a ton of work on my teeth... no deep cleaning/scaling though.

But I have to say my teeth are in the best shape they have been in, in 30 years. I haven't had an issue with them that made me have call for an appointment... just regularly scheduled cleaning and checkups.

My dentist from before we came here was very good but he was very low key and would never push anything and I just ignored things, like occasional aches and gum bleeding now and then.

He'd always ask if I had any issues, of course, but I just say something like "No, not really", just to put things off... until a tooth broke or a filling fell out and then I'd end up needing a root canal and a crown. So maybe I was a bit to blame for the teeth issues I had over the years.

I think Village Dental is doing a great job on my teeth and I would not switch to another dentist.

I use Village Dental--Dr. Farrell. I love them. He hasn't recommended deep cleaning or scaling, but I take pretty good care of the choppers.

Bolsadd 12-11-2017 01:30 PM

My husband and I heard the same BS
I was even told they did a deep cleaning while doing my normal cleaning and because I’ve had it done beforehand I knew the difference. I was also charged $100 incorrectly. I don’t like the way they conducted business. After 3 Calls I was told they would refund my money however they never once called me to settle this dispute. Not good business

Domenick 12-11-2017 01:57 PM

Go back to your old dentist.
 
Hi

I travel 500 miles twice a year just to see my dentist. I do not trust my teeth with anyone down here.

I am no dentist. But I would think if you can't see it with an x-Ray I would not have someone start drilling.

bunnyhop 12-11-2017 04:35 PM

Baylee Dental (Dr. Cayia | CEREC(R) | Summerfield Dentists | Baylee Dental | Emergencie Dental Service | Florida) is great. Dr. Cayia is very professional. No upsell. No pressure. Highly recommended.

2BNTV 12-11-2017 05:27 PM

FWIW - I am not qualified to say whether a deep cleaning is necessary for every person. One of my disappointments was going to several dental places covered by my insurance and asked for a regular cleaning. They took x-rays and said I needed a deep cleaning. Some of them said I needed teeth pulled and two bridges made whereas my present bridge has been working well for over thirty five years. One place wanted to charge me $2,000, (my part), of a $3,000 bill. The other one wanted $8,000. I never bothered to find what I would be liable for.

I had occasion to go back north and saw my regular dentist and he said it wasn't necessary. I think you need to decide for yourself if, a possibly unnecessary procedure needs to be perform for a lot of bucks.

I listened to "mikeod" and went to Forrest Jenkins. A dentist who confirmed I didn't need a deep cleaning. He isn't in my plan so I have to pay but I don't have to listen to other dental practices who tell me I need thousands of dollars of work, that is needed. I go twice a year for a regular cleaning and the $136 per visit he charges, is well worth it!

manaboutown 12-11-2017 07:17 PM

An aunt and uncle retired to Winterhaven, FL from Towson, MD back around 1970. From then until they passed away 30 years or so later they kept returning to Baltimore for all of their dental and medical because they could not find decent providers in Central Florida.

TechGC 12-11-2017 07:54 PM

Dr Thomas Kim, his office is on the way to Leesburg on 441, very modern, has the right stuff and tells you exactly whats going on and explains it well.. Highly recommend

tmbromley 12-12-2017 07:48 PM

You must like pain too. This process is about your gums not cavities. But it hurst your gums and teeth. I am sorry I ever had it done. It’s a scam. It does not help preserve your teeth and it’s painful once the novacane wears off. I would never do it again!

Topspinmo 12-12-2017 11:55 PM

When you change dentists most will put you on there program. Stay far away from the ones money making programs. IMO once you lose bone and have deep pockets nothing going to regrow bone. I been to three dentists down here in three years. All but one are money gouging. I had the deep cleaning, all it did for me was hurt like MF, my teeth have been cleaned every 6 months for 40 years. Never had gum problem and pain till the deep cleaning. I even had one dentists that said looked good when she measured my pockets, then the hygienist took it on her self to dig into my teeth root bone trying to convince the dentist she was wrong, basically I got infection. I ran from that dental clinic even though I like the dentist, but she needed to fire the hygienist. Finely found guy that's not wanting to go to vegas every 6 months at my expense. I was about to give up and travel back to my old dentist, but finely found somebody that's wants return in his clientele.

Tlcdsc 12-13-2017 07:34 AM

New to Florida. Our teeth are fine and all we want is a cleaning twice a year. Every dentist we called said they will not just clean our teeth unless we agree to a deep cleaning if necessary. What is the deal here?

Dr Winston O Boogie jr 12-13-2017 07:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Tlcdsc (Post 1489342)
New to Florida. Our teeth are fine and all we want is a cleaning twice a year. Every dentist we called said they will not just clean our teeth unless we agree to a deep cleaning if necessary. What is the deal here?

If you have dental insurance it usually pays for a "FREE" exam, x-rays and cleaning every six months. The dentists get paid almost nothing by the insurance companies for those services. They do it because they feel it will generate more business. If you don't have a lot of cavities, they don't see a lot of future business.

dewilson58 12-13-2017 08:04 AM

Oh Boy.

Laura Pintar 12-13-2017 11:10 AM

i had some experience with dentist at brownwood, wanted deep cleaning for both my husband and self. went to other dentist and said my gums and teeth were good. a scam,. don't go to brownwood dentist. a scam

crash 12-14-2017 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr (Post 1485966)
They're also talking about root scaling.

The root scaling is a deep cleaning they are the same. The charge for scaling is $340 a quarter at Villages dental and is not fully covered by your insurance.

After this they would consider every cleaning as periodontal maintenance which the insurance will not pay for unless you had periodontal surgery, even though it is just the regular cleaning with a different code.

They usually recommend this if they see plaque on the x-ray. If you are not having problems I would skip it. For me it meant that as long as I had my insurance I would be paying for the semi annual cleaning instead of 100% coverage.

MrsPhil 12-17-2017 05:34 PM

Don't know how anyone would "enjoy" a "deep cleaning" based on our experience. My hubby was told he needed this, and it's not just an extra good cleaning: it is only partially covered by insurance, if you have it, and it costs hundreds of dollars. He had it done at one dentist, then we changed to Aspen Dental and they insisted he needed it again. The real kicker is that with them, they now INSIST he MUST have a deep cleaning every time, for the rest of his life, and they want him in every 4 months! That's crazy! Hey, we get it about periodontal disease, but it is treatable such that one shouldn't have to have this forever. My husband is better about his brushing and flossing and started using a water pik; we are now looking for a dentist who will just clean his teeth - we can't afford the extra $200+ every time he goes in (and they admitted their insistence is to cover themselves in case anything in the future happened... "if he has trouble 20 years from now, you could sue us" - yes, that's what she said).

My sister had this done and, after a couple of times, her dentist went back to a normal cleaning. So, it's not necessarily a scam but it may be in your case. If you liked your other dentist, go back and find a nice place for lunch to make the trip to Ocala worthwhile.

Topspinmo 12-19-2017 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by MrsPhil (Post 1491594)
Don't know how anyone would "enjoy" a "deep cleaning" based on our experience. My hubby was told he needed this, and it's not just an extra good cleaning: it is only partially covered by insurance, if you have it, and it costs hundreds of dollars. He had it done at one dentist, then we changed to Aspen Dental and they insisted he needed it again. The real kicker is that with them, they now INSIST he MUST have a deep cleaning every time, for the rest of his life, and they want him in every 4 months! That's crazy! Hey, we get it about periodontal disease, but it is treatable such that one shouldn't have to have this forever. My husband is better about his brushing and flossing and started using a water pik; we are now looking for a dentist who will just clean his teeth - we can't afford the extra $200+ every time he goes in (and they admitted their insistence is to cover themselves in case anything in the future happened... "if he has trouble 20 years from now, you could sue us" - yes, that's what she said).

My sister had this done and, after a couple of times, her dentist went back to a normal cleaning. So, it's not necessarily a scam but it may be in your case. If you liked your other dentist, go back and find a nice place for lunch to make the trip to Ocala worthwhile.

IMO Deep cleaning is money maker, bottom line if you got bone lost deep cleaning not going to fix it or make it better, we can debate whether it helps more than regular cleaning? Most new dentists want to do the deep cleaning for the extra cash revenue. Anybody that would go through that torcher more that once is gluten for long lasting pain, especially ever 4 months! Let's face it at our age we are lucky to have teeth due to our dental hygiene for decades. I've been to three villages dentist all three were out to drain my bank account. There good one down in fruitland park also. Which may be easier and closer than Ocala depending one where you live?

Miles42 12-21-2017 10:27 PM

a money maker.


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