Since all (vaccinated or not) are now seen as major spreaders of the contagious Delta variant, the only differentiator is who gets sick. Why are you (no one specific; just the reader in general) all worried about those not willing to get vaccinated (me and millions of others)? It's not like the unvaccinated are a special risk to anyone. Your fellow vaccinated citizen is just as likely to be infected and contagious as all the talking heads are saying right now.

All you vaccinated folk can infect each other without any help from me or others. You can also catch and spread the virus to all the "vulnerable" population (elderly, sick, immune compromised, etc) all by yourselves.

So, why the passports? Lockdowns? Masks? F*cking the economy up? Now, it's even move obvious that it's all about control. The only people at risk are those CHOOSING not to get vaccinated. Let me take my risk. Don't worry about me. Go about your lives.

It would now seem, given the current parameters, that we should just put COVID-19 on ignore. According to the experts, there is no reason to ask anyone "are you vaccinated?" as your behavior should be the same no matter what the answer. The unwashed masses are not more likely to be infected / contagious / dangerous than all those who chose the path of putting an experimental cocktail in their arm (twice).

It boils down to this fact: The various rules then are simply to coerce vaccination.

Not just FL. Pretty much the same #s Nationally...

This quote is taken from the link you provided: “He adds that his team's analysis shows that almost every single one of the 100 million unvaccinated Americans who hasn't had COVID-19 yet will likely get it in the coming months”.
Based on that, we will achieve herd immunity pretty quickly…

Mary S
 

Very good post. I totally agree- we need to learn to live with the virus. Just like we live with the flu. There will be people who succumb to it as with any other virus. All measures are in place to protect us. Time to get back to normal life.

Get the shots and we will get to Herd immunity quicker.

The FDA admits the test was developed without isolated covid samples for test calibration, effectively admitting it's testing something else. Also, the creator of the PCR test has been on several videos stating that it does not work to test covid as it has never been isolated.

Via the words of the CDC's own director Dr. Rochelle Walensky, vaccines are now failing, and vaccinated people may now carry higher viral loads than unvaccinated people, contributing to the spread of covid.
The vaccine hoax is now collapsing as vaccinated people are now catching the "delta" variant and spreading it to other vaccinated people. Even worse, the vaxxed are the "super-breeders" who are incubating yet more dangerous vaccine-immune covid mutations.
Thus, people who signed up to be vaccinated not only got played by the CDC, they are now the super-spreaders and super-breeders who are worsening the entire pandemic.

That nonsense doesn't even rate a reply
And please stop posting this garbage, there may be a few naive members who might actually believe this crock

Are you intentionally misinterpreting the data? Vaccinated ARE NOT seen as major spreaders of Covid. They MAY be able to spread in RARE cases but even that is speculation.

I am worried about the unvaccinated and the spread because of the impact on the emergency services and the impact on those that cannot be vaccinated. Full hospitals and emergency rooms means fewer resources available for those coming in for something other than Covid. Emergencies will continue to happen but there may not be room at the inn due to the number of unvaccinated in the beds.

Second, there are some who cannot be vaccinated for valid health reasons. Those unfortunate few are under continued risk due to the number of unvaccinated potentially spreading the virus. If the unvaccinated wore masks as they should then that would decrease the risk, but experience has shown that they won't. If everyone who was eligible got the vaccination then there would be 100 million or so fewer potential carriers walking around threatening the lives of those who cannot be vaccinated.

Well said

[QUOTE=GeriS;1983375]The FDA admits the test was developed without isolated covid samples for test calibration, effectively admitting it's testing something else. Also, the creator of the PCR test has been on several videos stating that it does not work to test covid as it has never been isolated.[/QUOTE]

“Social media users have been sharing a quote attributed to the inventor of the Polymerase Chain Reaction (PCR) test, currently being used to detect COVID-19, which says “PCR tests cannot detect free infectious viruses at all”. This quote appears not to be a direct quote from the inventor, Kary Mullis, has lost some context and does not mean COVID-19 testing is fraudulent, as suggested by some social media posts.

The posts have been shared over 1,000 times on Facebook (here , here , here).

The post begins with the words “COVID-19 TEST a FRAUD?”, then introduces the alleged quote from Mullis, who invented the PCR method in 1985 and was recognized for this achievement by being awarded the Nobel Prize in Chemistry in 1993 (here).

However, the quote is actually from an article written by John Lauritsen in December 1996 about HIV and AIDS, not COVID-19 (here).

The context around the quote shows Lauritsen is not saying PCR tests do not work. Instead, he is clarifying that PCR identifies substances qualitatively not quantitatively, detecting the genetic sequences of viruses, but not the viruses themselves: “PCR is intended to identify substances qualitatively, but by its very nature is unsuited for estimating numbers.

Fact check: Inventor of method used to test for COVID-19 didn’t say it can’t be used in virus detection | Reuters

Fact check: This CDC document does not say that that SARS-CoV-2 doesn’t exist | Reuters

Catching up on posts this morning, and I have to wonder, does anyone know how many heart attacks we have to have before we reach heart attack herd immunity. I mean it is frequently how many people actually die of heart attacks compared to wild fake claims of how many people die from COVID.

I think the government should explain why they are not telling how to reach heart attack herd immunity.

No one escapes this life, alive. You can use all the makeup and botox you want and look young, but you ain't young and will DIE eventually. If it ain't COVID it's war or terrorism or a building collapse.

I agree NO ONE gets out of this alive, so why bother trying.

Let's close all the hospitals, no more bypass operations, no more treatments for any diseases are allowed. Why bother, better to just let them all die and make more room for the rest of us.

Let's remove ALL the stop signs and traffic lights.

And we can save all that money we spend trying to keep food safe.

There is no end to ways we can save money and stress, just let everyone die.

Is it okay if your grandchildren go first? I mean they are going to die anyway.

I'm new to the Villages.

Wow, the level of discourse here is surprising. I suppose I thought it was limited to the very young and young on social media.

I have a very religious friend who sees the world from the teachings of the Bible and the sermons on Sunday and Wednesday. There is no debate, so we never debate.

Some people deny a creator and other are sure of it.

Some people believe a person is born gay, others believe it is a choice.

Some people believe Trump is the best political leader ever, and others do not. Some in the same party do not.

Some believe in trying a vaccination to stem off potential death, others do not.

In none of the cases above, do I think I can convince you to change a belief by simple argument, regardless how compelling I feel it is.

Over time and through observation, I have changed my opinion on things I once disbelieved or denied.

I don't think there is a quick fix or a pithy factoid that will convince people to change their views on Covid and the Vaccine.

I got the vaccine at the first opportunity and I was aware of the emergency authorization. I made that decision for myself and cannot make it for others. I won't try to convince you one way or the other -- for one, I'm no expert, and two, you don't really care what I think.

70.1% of Americans have at least one shot of the vaccination as of 28 Jul. -- CDC.
CDC demographics shows that the majority of those that do not yet have at least one shot of the vaccination are either under the age of 12 or minorities. Minorities are the largest group of hold outs due to being told not to trust the vaccination last year.
I believe that COVID originated in the U.S. and was sent to China for experimentation. Easy to blame China but we are probably just as guilty for this mess. My opinion just like every one of the other posts on here.
Time to quit blaming your neighbors and just get on with you life. I plan to regardless of what you wish to do. If you don't trust your neighbor then wear your mask. If you don't trust your vaccination then wear your mask. I don't wear a mask and no one has gotten sick around me so don't blame me. If you do you must not be wearing your mask, right?

What a comment - just WOW.

First, you partially quote the CDC to support your position - ie. quote out of context. They said the vaccination is failing to prevent the DELTA variant.

Then in the same paragraph, you LEAP to the "vaccine is a HOAX".

The vaccine is FAILING with DELTA because we failed to get enough people vaccinated soon enough to stop the mutation.

The vaccine is NOT a hoax.

99% of people being admitted to hospitals are not vaccinated. Maybe, all the vaccinated people just prefer to die at home? Or better yet, everyone all over the world is just lying.

At least we know that "CIVID will magically disappear in April"

I am not sure who you are referring to as "we". The Delta variant was first identified in India. Only about 25% of the world has been vaccinated. This would suggest that mutations, such as the Delta variant, are likely to come from outside the US.

It's all B.S. First it was stop the hospitalizations, then it was stop the deaths, now it's stop the number of cases. As many people in Florida got head colds this month as people got covid. So what. Here are some sobering facts:
2,913,144 people in the U.S, died in 2020 (year of the pandemic) 57,641 MORE than died in 2019 (no pandemic) But wait a minute!
Supposedly 600,000 more Americans died in 2020 from covid. The numbers don't add up. If an additional 600K people died from covid the number should be well over 3,500,000...so how many people really died of covid last year. Not near the amount the media, politicians, and the Gov't told us.

The American people swallowed the bait hook, line and sinker. It's all about controlling our lives. Our central gov't is getting bigger and more powerful every day, and the elitists who are at the top are like addicts getting high on their power and just like addicts they will do anything to keep getting high! So mask up, gown up, live in complete fear and hide in your closet until the power addicted elite in Washington tell you, you can come out. (More room for them and their families in restaurants and public places and they don't have look at all the "great unwashed") Our founders would be appalled!

Aw, come on, don't hold back, tell us how you really feel!

From the CDC,

"In 2020, approximately 3,358,814 deaths† occurred in the United States."

"During 2020, COVID-19 was listed as the underlying or contributing cause of 377,883 deaths (91.5 per 100,000 population)."

Provisional Mortality Data — United States, 2020 | MMWR

From the CDC,

"In 2019, a total of 2,854,838 resident deaths were registered in the United States ..."

Products - Data Briefs - Number 395 - December 2020

Ignoring more of your post, the largest racial group that is not vaccinated. The largest political group that is not vaccinated is the republicans.

I guess they are still waiting for it to magically disappear in April.

So no one around you has gotten sick. Yeah, right. Okay, uh, seriously? So, you know and communicate with every single person you have come into contact with in the past year. You NEVER go into stores, you NEVER go to gas stations, you NEVER golf, you NEVER pick up your mail. And every single person you know and have come into contact with has reported back to you on regular occasions that they are still COVID-free. And they know this because every single one of them is regularly tested.

Seriously, no wonder you NEVER got the virus, you live in total 100% isolation.

Really. You do know this has to be debunked oh, maybe 10,000 times since it was first suggested?

Not true. That is false information.

What exactly are you ranting about now?

The PCR test was not developed to test COVID -19. Correct, it was developed in 1985.

The quote is actually from an article written by John Lauritsen in December 1996 about HIV and AIDS, not COVID-19 (here).

So, yes, it was developed without any COVID-19 virus to test it on.

The context around the quote shows Lauritsen is not saying PCR tests do not work.

Instead, he is clarifying that PCR identifies substances qualitatively not quantitatively, detecting the genetic sequences of viruses, but not the viruses themselves: “PCR is intended to identify substances qualitatively, but by its very nature is unsuited for estimating numbers. Although there is a common misimpression that the viral load tests actually count the number of viruses in the blood, these tests cannot detect free, infectious viruses at all; they can only detect proteins that are believed, in some cases wrongly, to be unique to HIV. The tests can detect genetic sequences of viruses, but not viruses themselves.”

I won't claim to know why the test is used - that is what scientists are for, they do that stuff for a living. But, I am fairly certain I will trust them before I trust you or Tucker, or anyone not qualified to understand.

You know that most deaths attributed to heart attacks are attributed to heart attacks because of a test that looks for a protein, Troponin T, or a look at the heart image to see if there is damage. It is NOT proof of a heart attack, it is something that is normally associated with heart attacks - so, I guess we should write off all those deaths attributed to heart attacks as "cause of death is a hoax".

Not quite, this time my friend.

First of all, it is troponin I, a structural protein of the muscle cells of the heart that get released into the bloodstream when someone has a myocardial infarction. It IS PROOF of a "heart attack", by definition. Now, the problem is that it is far more sensitive than an echocardiogram or a nuclear medicine scan at determining "damage", which pushes the definition of a "heart attack" to include minimal or even no functional damage.
In some ways this is similar to a COVID test that is sensitive enough to pick up left over viral fragments in a completely cured(or immunized) person who cannot transmit the virus any more (possibly like John Rahm)
So, here we go again---what is a "case" of COVID, and what is a "case" of a heart attack. As always the borderline is fuzzy.

It does seem like it's almost getting to that point...if we ALL are spreading, why single out and chastise the nonvaxers. In time it will be obvious who was or wasn't vaxed.
But with being so adamant and putting your foot down about doing something that could possibly keep you out of the hospital, could possibly prevent you from going onto a ventilator....are you willing to put your money where your mouth is...so to speak? It's fine and dandy there is so much conviction, but when you come out, if you do, will you pay. Better said, if they said no vac-no coverage, would you get the shot?

* when I say "you" I mean all nonvaxers with this belief.

I agree MDLNB. I so agree. I am tired of hearing this. I am tired of not being allowed to talk about a large group of folks who will not get vaccinated.

We are no longer able to discuss facts for fear of saying something that offends a group that is being carefully protected.

Here is an example of folks who are flagrantly ignoring the rules. I don't think they are older, traditional, conservative.;
L.A. threatens to shut off utilities at homes that host big parties during pandemic

Oh, no, I almost agree with you. This is really scary.
But I'm still not giving up my rolling laughing little men. :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

Like it was said in the past----"Elections have consequences":1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

The history of the modern world is going to be written pre-CV inception and post-CV inception. The main question then becomes........just to what degree of BAD will the post-CV inception really be? ALREADY we have 2 Americas, not a single-minded America focused strictly on the Great Virus War (WW 2.5). The UK has a vaccination rate of 85% and is returning to "normal". The US had a better start than the UK and could and SHOULD have been at 85% in April if NOT for Evangelical-type anti-vaccine thinking and other anti-American thinking and leadership flaws.

A few statistics.........72,000 new US pediatric US cases in the last week........49 CV patients currently at our TV Land hospital............5 pediatric hospitalizations at Advent Health, Orlando......BAD is becoming "BADDER"

Lol....if I knew where to find them I'd post them right back at ya...lol
Let's all stay healthy.

Please stop making nonsensical statements. 85% in April was not possible. First of all, vaccinations were only opened up to those under 65 starting at the beginning of April in many locations. 83% of the population is under 65 so most people did not have access to vaccinations in April. Secondly, about 18% of the population is under 12 and are still not eligible for the vaccine.

They didn't get their vaccines, so I quarantined them (:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:)

Don't confuse anyone with the facts

Love it so people with the vaccine still can get COVID so why get the vaccine? The double talk is entertaining but dangerous. Stop selling the abc tv and USA Today fear and promote the shots instead if you really care. Or do some just enjoy scarring others with false info?

Hence the reason why I thought it was a huge mistake for Rochelle Walensky to publicize the data from a single county, 2 week period with large gatherings in Cape Cod. The ignorant would take home exactly that message---that the vaccine does not protect you and doesn't stop the spread, so why get it, while that statement couldn't be further from the truth.

I agree with justjim. I play sports everyday, even last year when most people were afraid of dying if they go outside. Last year scare tactics were mostly political. The number of Covid deaths were way over blown because of the money hospitals would get if they put “Covid” on the visit.
I’m not in favor of getting the vaccine or not getting it, it’s up to you to decide, and the government should not be dictating to us either way.
If you are nervous that you might get Covid, then by all means, protect yourself anyway you can. If you are healthy, then you should determine which direction is right for you: vaccinate or not.

I know that was meant to be a sarcastic joke.....but, in reality, world oxygen levels are slightly affected by the massive burning of forests in the Amazon. And the US is having problems with massive smoke from fires in our West. There is unwanted population migration toward the US and Europe caused by Global Warming.

The US has so many other problems that there is LITTLE movement toward any, "plant a tree" efforts. Look around at the yards here in TV Land - many are like a desert of grass with very little shrubbery and trees for trim and accents. Grass in yards by itself, requires excess fertilizer and loud, pollution-producing gas (not electric) lawn mowing - and golf courses that get zero use in the summer afternoon. The point is that TV Land is no ecological paradise and in many ways IS the perfect example of the problem for the future and NOT the solution. So, talk about your perfect grandchildren, while ignoring your generation's responsibilities to the health and welfare of their lives. TV Land does NOT even PRETEND to be interested in anything but more and more greedy development.