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Villages PL 05-06-2014 01:51 PM

In my opinion, people who say "no" may already have multiple health issues and/or their retirement nest egg will not last long enough to live a good lifestyle.

But assuming one is enjoying good health and can afford it, why not go for it? You'll have more than enough time (eternity) on the other side, so don't rush it. Soak up as much of this life as you can, while you still can.

To me, 90 is not much of a goal. That's like settling for a B+ when you know you can get an A+ with a little more effort. ;) 100 is the new 90. And if you can make it to 100 in good health, you can make it to 112+.

Anyway, studies have proved that people change their goals as they get older. Ask a young person how long they want to live and they might say 75. Ask 75 year olds how long they want to live and they might say 85. And 95 year olds want just 5 more years. As long as people are not in great pain, they generally want to keep living.

kittygilchrist 05-06-2014 02:15 PM

I have 3 aunts in their 90s who squabble over who mows the yard:
"Now you give me that mower, you had a heart attack last week..."
They're all going to heaven, but God just leaves them here for his entertainment.

Villages PL 05-06-2014 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by kbace6 (Post 873240)
Drink a little wine and gain a little weight? Hmmmm.

How do you live past 90? Sunday on 60 Minutes

The recommendation to be moderately overweight is foolish, in my opinion. This may be another case of the food industry having influence over a study and inserting their bias. The only time I have heard this recommendation is when it is being promoted by the media (newspaper, radio and TV).

Overweight is a BMI of 25. That's a lot of extra pounds and it would be mostly excess fat. If your waistline goes up to 40, you will put yourself at risk for many degenerative diseases. Studies have been done that show the ideal weight to be a BMI of 18. That's lean. And the study shows that for every extra BMI point over 18, your risk of death increases.

There's no way for the average elderly person be moderately overweight without being overly fat. As you age, you gradually lose bone and muscle. So, to be moderately overweight, you would certainly have a very high percentage of body fat. And there's nothing good about that as far as promoting health.

2BNTV 05-06-2014 02:48 PM

It's all about quality of life. IMHO OR..........

When Abbott and Costello were put in front of a firing squad, and asked if they had last wishes................Costello thought........and...........

Costello replied, "I want to die, of old age".

Besides, what's the rush?

Villages PL 05-07-2014 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by 2BNTV (Post 873938)
It's all about quality of life. IMHO OR..........

When Abbott and Costello were put in front of a firing squad, and asked if they had last wishes................Costello thought........and...........

Costello replied, "I want to die, of old age".

Besides, what's the rush?

Ha! That's funny! Very good last wish. I wish the library would have Abbott and Costello TV episodes on DVD.

rubicon 05-07-2014 02:42 PM

I did review all the posts and the initial question: "Do you want to liv past 90?"
The reality of it all save suicide is that likely out of your hands

DianeM 05-07-2014 06:33 PM

I'm not even sure I want to be 60 let alone 90. I have no control of my expiration date - only God does.

lovsthosebigdogs 05-07-2014 06:53 PM

I like the idea of adding a few pounds and drinking 2 drinks a day being good for you. I have been denying myself that and hearing its not a BAD things puts a smile on my face. I may be too young to do that right now but it sure is something to aim for. Living in good shape to be 90 because of it might be an added bonus!

zcaveman 05-07-2014 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Villages PL (Post 873905)
In my opinion, people who say "no" may already have multiple health issues and/or their retirement nest egg will not last long enough to live a good lifestyle.

Or maybe we see that the quality of life seems to deteriorate after a certain age. My goal was 70. Neither parent lived past 72. I think I can beat that now so I set my goal at 80. When I reach 80 I will see if I think another 10 years of good living is going to be achievable and then I will shoot for 90.

Whatever I choose does not matter. The good Lord has already put my name on the wall and will take me when it is my time.

Z

2BNTV 05-07-2014 10:42 PM

If one does not take care of themsleves and be their own advocate when dealing with the medical profession, one's demise could be hastened. Most people are determined by their genetic tree.

Just because on'e parent's lived to be a cerain age, does not automatically mean you will have identical longevitity. With the prolifertion of tests performed in preventive matainence mode, should help avoid serious problems,

Uncle's family:
1. Brother at 99.
2. Sister at 102.
3. Another sister at 104.

He passed away at 99, and still had a survivng sister of 104, and wife.

Wife Aunt V died at 96 two months after him.

Mom passed at 93.

Dad at 77. He was just a kid!!! :D

senior citizen 05-08-2014 05:14 AM

LONGEVITA translates to "Long Life" in Italian
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 2BNTV (Post 874674)
If one does not take care of themsleves and be their own advocate when dealing with the medical profession, one's demise could be hastened. Most people are determined by their genetic tree.

Just because on'e parent's lived to be a cerain age, does not automatically mean you will have identical longevitity. With the prolifertion of tests performed in preventive matainence mode, should help avoid serious problems,

Uncle's family:
1. Brother at 99.
2. Sister at 102.
3. Another sister at 104.

He passed away at 99, and still had a survivng sister of 104, and wife.

Wife Aunt V died at 96 two months after him.

Mom passed at 93.

Dad at 77. He was just a kid!!! :D


LONGEVITA.........Translates to "long life" in Italian.

My older generation of Italian relatives and ancestors also lived to ripe old ages, into their late nineties and late eighties.

There was no cancer at all in my father's Italian/Greek/French family (nor in my mother's Ukrainian family.)

However, those were the generations that did not dine out, but prepared their simple foods from scratch........heavy on the vegetables and legumes.......seafood and meat for special occasions, but not "high on the hog" every day.

**There was no frozen or prepared packaged foods back in their day; no drive up windows of fast food restaurants (which did not exist, obviously).

**Thus, no additives, preservatives, flavor enhancers, colors, etc. and certainly no chemicals.

In doing my ancestry, the ones who died young, either passed away at birth or shortly thereafter.......or in farming accidents.

Other ethnic groups around the Mediterranean also enjoyed longevity or "longevita".

I'm pretty sure the home made red wine (vino) helped keep their arteries open.

They were the last generation prior to everyone having a little colored pill for every body part.......and every minor ailment (with side effects that contributed to more issues and more little pills). We continue to be flabbergasted listening, each evening, to the Big Pharma commercials and myriad of warnings and side effects after a glorious presentation of WHY WE SHOULD TAKE ALL OF THESE PHARMACEUTICALS. They lived long WITHOUT them.

PORTUGAL AND LONGEVITY By James Martin

January 3, 2009

Until a few days ago, Tomar, Portugal was the home of the world's oldest known living human, Maria de Jesus. She attained the age 115 years and 114 days until passing away in an ambulance Friday.

Then comes word that Portuguese filmmaker Manoel de Oliveira turned 100 recently while working on his 47th film in Lisbon’s Chiado district called "The Uniqueness of a Young Blond-Haired Girl."

I figure it's the copious amounts of vegetables found in Portuguese cuisine.

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MORE:

The Mediterranean Diet region includes many countries bordering the Mediterranean Sea including most famously France, Greece, Italy, Morocco Spain, Turkey, as well as other countries in Europe, Northern Africa and the Middle East.

Europe: Portugal, Spain, Gibraltar (British overseas territory), France, Monaco, Italy, Malta, Slovenia, Croatia, Bosnia-Herzegovina, Montenegro, Albania, Greece, Cyprus, Akrotiri and Dhekelia, Turkey (partly Asia).

Asia/Middle East: Syria, Lebanon, Palestine, Iraq, Israel.

Africa: Egypt, Libya, Tunisia, Algeria, Morocco.

As you can imagine, there is a wide range of cultural and food traditions unique to each country. However, there are still many common ingredients connecting the longevity influencing diets of each country. Durum wheat pasta may be served as spaghetti in Italy, but adorn the plates in Morocco as couscous or be used as a pita in Greece.

Other common ingredients or food items include olive oil, use of fresh herbs, legumes, fresh fruit and vegetables, and mineral rich sea salt.

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I'm sure others among you can add the names of many others who lived to a ripe old age........but thought I'd contribute the Portuguese ones above.




Happydaz 05-08-2014 07:27 AM

The reason Social Security is in need of fine tuning is that people are living longer than ever before. True, obesity may affect this longevity in the future, but right now people are living longer. Modern medicine, often criticized, has done wonders for eradicating or ameliorating many of the diseases that killed people in their youth as well as in their forties and fifties back in "the good old days."

senior citizen 05-08-2014 08:00 AM

Life goes on for the families that bond together
 
Yes, in "the good old days" many women died in childbirth, or else the infant did not survive.

Modern medicine has insured less infant fatalities.....plus healthier moms.

However, some families did live on, even in adverse conditions.
Genetics? Family unity? Faith? Keeping young at heart?

My dad's family was one big merry clan and the door was always open.........the family was huge.........I doubt if they were ever lonely.

Our generation moved away from the cities to the suburbs or even out of state to small towns. We became nuclear families. Our children became everything to us, in our neat tidy modern worlds, whereas in the old days the children had a huge number of family close at hand. A mob of relatives fussing over them.

SO............

Why do some people live so much longer than the rest of us????
The quest to find out is alive and well.............

http://www.bu.edu/bostonia/fall09/longevity/
LIFE GOES ON.........for the three families depicted in this article.
Please keep scrolling down to their photos and ages......activities, philosophies on life in general. Amazing folks. A great read.
Very inspirational.......

This is one of the most uplifting family stories I have read in a very long time.

Please take the time to read it. It will be worth the effort and time spent.

It helped me to recognize that the longevity and continuance of certain family lines is hereditary.....for sure.

The comfort they take in being together is wonderful. The quintessential family.........

Happydaz 05-08-2014 10:59 AM

Anecdotal information is certainly very interesting and often heartwarming, but it is not scientific. Many people live longer today because heart disease, cancer, and other disases are being controlled better than they were in the past. Many men and women who would have died in the past are now living into their eighties and nineties. Look around The Villages and you will see many senior citizens leading healthy, active lives. It certainly is interesting to hear that "Gramps" who came from the "old country" and smoked a pack of unfiltered camels a day lived to be ninety one, but that doesn't mean that the average person back then lived as long as they do today. Healthy eating habits and exercise can add to this good, modern medical care. I am very glad that I am living today rather than back fifty years ago.

senior citizen 05-08-2014 07:42 PM

Generations of kids will live shorter lives than their parents
 
What came first? The chicken or the egg?
Why does everyone need meds today?
It literally begins in childhood with the American diet.

Katie Couric had an interesting show this afternoon, May 8, 2014 re "FED UP" which premiered at Sundance Film Festival.

The film upends the conventional wisdom of why we gain weight and lays bare the misinformation put forth on how to lose it.

It reveals that far more of the American public gets sick from what they eat than anyone realized.

The film traces the history of processed foods adding dangerous levels of sugar and sweeteners to their roster of ingredients. (It began in the late 1970s with the rise of low-fat foods and has intensified since then.)

With the film's acquisition, Couric hopes, will come amended personal habits and public policies.


'''GENERATIONS OF KIDS WILL LIVE SHORTER LIVES THAN THEIR PARENTS'''


'Fed Up'

The premise: Unflattering documentary about the American food industry suggests that today’s children will have shorter lives than their parents because of their diets.

Directed by: Stephanie Soechtig
Length: 1 hour, 32 minutes
Rated: PG for mature themes, smoking and language.

GEOFF BERKSHIRE, VARIETY: ★★★ Accessibility trumps artistry in "Fed Up," a formulaic and functional documentary that nevertheless proves effective at getting the message out about America’s addiction to unhealthy food. Focusing specifically on childhood obesity, the insidious practices of big food companies and the lack of political will to address the problems, Stephanie Soechtig’s film is the latest in a long line of call-to-action docs following in the footsteps of "An Inconvenient Truth" (and boasts that film’s executive producer, Laurie David, to boot). Slick execution and big-name participants, including narrator Katie Couric and an interview with former President Bill Clinton, put the pic in prime position to become one of the year’s highest-profile commercial docs.
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PARK CITY, Utah - Katie Couric is fed up.

Like the title of the documentary she executive produced and narrated at Sundance, Couric is angry about the global epidemic of childhood obesity and the government's role in its spread.

"The amount of attention paid to public health is minuscule compared to the amount of attention the government pays to promoting U.S. agriculture," says Couric.

One of the most talked-about films at Sundance, Fed Up is described as the film the food industry doesn't want people to see.

It could be the movie that will change the way people think about eating.
The documentary details how, since the U.S. government issued its first dietary guideline 30 years ago, the rate of obesity has skyrocketed. Generations of kids will live shorter lives than their parents.

The film upends the conventional wisdom of why we gain weight and lays bare the misinformation put forth on how to lose it. It reveals that far more of the American public gets sick from what they eat than anyone realized.

The film traces the history of processed foods adding dangerous levels of sugar and sweeteners to their roster of ingredients. (It began in the late 1970s with the rise of low-fat foods and has intensified since then.)
With the film's acquisition, Couric hopes, will come amended personal habits and public policies.

"We'd like to see this shown in schools, in parent meetings, PTAs," says Couric. "I think it will change the way people buy food. It will change the way they consume food and it will change the way they think about food. And I think that is what's going to be required to really start dealing with this issue."

The hope is that a shift can occur, as has happened in other health and safety arena.

"We want people to see that there's hope," says Soechtig. "This can be fixed. We have these food fighters who are making differences on a local level. If we use tobacco as an example this is not as far-fetched as the food industry is portraying it. Look at seat-belt laws and car-seat laws. It happened before. It can happen now."

Doctors bemoan the rise of adult-onset diabetes in young children, as well as children suffering strokes and heart attacks at a very young age, due to their excessive intake of sugar.

Fed Up lays bare a decades-long misinformation campaign orchestrated by Big Food and aided and abetted by the U.S. government.

"How can you set dietary guidelines and also be responsible for promoting U.S. agriculture, especially when some of that agriculture means unhealthy products," Couric asked. "Whoever set that up probably did not realize that you could not serve two masters in that way."
 
 
 


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