Fred doesn't post much. In sure once he gets to know you he will warm up.


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I think I would need reams of info and countless hyperlinks to valuable articles...before I believe that Chi. :D

I did my due diligence. First: I did a google search. I rejected site that appeared to have an emotional or political attachment bias or accepted advertising from "anti" anything groups (such as whale.to, breitbart, webmd, antivax (dot) org, etc.) I read actual medical studies from the National Institute of Health, the CDC, the Yale Medical school (since I live near Yale), and read all the patient information on a couple of the flu shots available.

Anti-pharma will ALWAYS reject pharmaceuticals, even if science accepts it and even if the science is correct. A specific drug manufacturer will ALWAYS reject alternative meds, even if the alternative is useful in treatment.

So - ignore what each side says about the other side, and tread cautiously.

When you do that, you come up with a result:

The flu shot is particularly useful for people at risk, it isn't foolproof, and if you were already infected before getting the shot, it won't be of much help (though it might reduce the symptoms once you get them).

The flu can kill people who are at risk. The vaccination can reduce that risk of death, reduce the need for hospitalization, reduce the odds of needing to take time off from work, and reduce the risk of long-lasting after effects.

I like the odds, so I take them. Just remember if the flu kills your wife, you can't blame big Pharma for it. You'll have only yourself to blame.

I got the flu shot and a week later I got sick. I think vaccinating against known illnesses like shingles and pneumonia are fine. I think trying to vaccinate against the flu is like trying to pin down jello since they so often miss the mark. It is only semi effective.

Vaccination Is Not Immunization by Tim O
 

My doctor recommended this book so I could make an informed decision on whether to vaccinate or not due to family history of autoimmune disease. http://www.immunitionltd.com/dlbin/T...LDRENebook.pdf

If you are right handed your left arm would probably be the best place.

It appears the author of this book(Vaccination is not immunization by Tim O'Shea) is a Chiropractor with degrees in Nutrition and Psychology.

Am I correct?

I can't answer whether he has degrees in either the field of nutrition or psychology. I looked at his research results which led me down the rabbit hole of the safety and efficacy of vaccinations, particularly as it pertains to people with autoimmune diseases, like Rheumatoid Arthritis.

Your body, your decision.

My body, my decision.

Worried about children whose parents do not want them vaccinated against some pretty dangerous childhood diseases. I feel those parents are misled. There was a time that it was rumored that vaccination may cause Autism but that rumor seems to safely be laid to rest.

We have a poster on this forum whose job all of his life was pediatrician. I know for a fact he has a very good reputation. I hope he will weigh in.

You were already infected. It takes 2 weeks from point of contact to symptoms. You were already infected with the flu a week before you got the vaccine. Your illness would likely have been much worse than it was, had you not been vaccinated at all. That is one of the benefits of the vaccine: reduced symptoms if you do get sick.

Also, there are some people who should NOT get the vaccine. Certain risk factors rule out the possibility, such as allergies to egg or gelatin. If you have or have had Guillain-Barré Syndrome, you shouldn't get the vaccine. If you're already symptomatic, you should wait til you're feeling better, to get vaccinated (whether that's waiting a couple of weeks, or waiting a year; depends on the window of time in which you have the flu, compared to the flu season).

Other than that, it's generally regarded as safe for anyone over 6 months of age.

No vaccine is without risk. Here is a link for the Health Resources and Services Administration Data and Statistics showing that over $4.0 billion has been paid out over the life of the vaccine injury compensation program. https://www.hrsa.gov/sites/default/f...ember-2018.pdf

One should not over think the risks/warning for flu shots any more than they do their myriad of meds they take with significantly more and more serious side effects!.

So true. The decision has to be if the benefit outweighs the risk. Even walking out your door in the morning is not without risk.

That fund doesn't require that you prove it was the vaccine that caused the illness. Might want to learn how that program actually works, before concluding that it means something that it doesn't mean :)

Quite the contrary. It's up to the victim or his/her survivors to prove that the vaccine caused the adverse side effects. Please keep in mind that the government-sponsored vaccine injury court does not award payouts for people missing work or school. The payouts are for death or life-altering side effects.

The pharmaceutical companies and physicians have been given immunity from possible vaccine-related damages since 1986:

"The National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act (NCVIA) of 1986 (42 U.S.C. §§ 300aa-1 to 300aa-34) was signed into law by President Ronald Reagan as part of a larger health bill on Nov 14, 1996, in the United States, to reduce the potential financial liability of vaccine makers due to vaccine injury claims."