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Dilligas 07-15-2025 02:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Yvonnie313 (Post 2445587)
I just posted in General but should have posted here. There are reports all over the news and social media lately stating that living close to a golf course raises your chances of developing Parkinson’s Disease by 126 percent! After digging I found TV has quite a large population of people with Parkinson’s. Thats very frightening to me. Since I haven’t moved to The Villages yet but would like to, what are others saying or doing about this to avoid exposure to dangerous chemicals that is causing this? (If you haven’t heard this yet, it’s simple to google it and find the info). I’m truly afraid but want to find an answers and solutions to ease my worries. Thank you
In the article you are quoting, "Areas that shared drinking water supplies with water used near golf courses were the most greatly impacted, the study shows. Researchers believe this shows that the pesticides used on golf courses could contribute to the amount of Parkinson's cases".
That is a factor that is unlikely in The Villages. TV water golf courses with reclaimed water and water run off into collection basins, or on the course itself when extreme rainfall amounts. The drinking water in TV comes from one of the largest aquifers in the country. TV also has a state of the art water purification system. Your home has 2 supplies of water...one for drinking and one for irrigation.
The article quoted areas in Minnesota where you do not have the controls that exist in TV.

BethBowen 07-15-2025 06:33 PM
Environment can be up to 85% cause for movement disorders. The Fox Foundation had has volumes on the subject. Fertilizer and insect sprays along with other poisons can be dangerous if you have the propensity from heredity.
The Parkinson’s support groups in The Villages has a newsletter that has links to a great deal of onfo on Parkinson’s. My husband was a leather craftsman. We also lived in log cabin that was sprayed many times with insecticides and herbicides. He died of Parkinson’s.

tophcfa 07-15-2025 06:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Joecooool (Post 2445793)
I attend the Golf Course Superintendents Association of America conference every year as a vendor. That profession has one of the highest rate of cancer of any profession due to the herbicides, insecticides, pesticides, and fertilizers they are exposed to every day. It's so prevalent, that a significant amount of the training they go through at these conferences includes dealing with cancer insurance claims.

It's not a stretch to assume that some of these airborne chemicals can also impact the residents who live next to a golf course. The guys spraying this stuff are wearing gloves, respirators, and long sleeves. That stuff then drifts into your yard where you have none of those protections. If I had a home on the course, I would NEVER leave my windows open, and I would only enjoy the outdoors well after the chemicals had been applied and the grass had been mowed.

Europe bans most pesticides and insecticides because of these reasons. There are alternatives that can keep the course in top shape and reduce the known health risks. But they are expensive and would require regulations to force compliance.

Here is one of thousands of articles on the subject - Pesticide Dangers at Golf Courses Much Higher in the U.S. than Europe, Study Finds - Beyond Pesticides Daily News Blog
It’s all pretty much the same stuff that Deans, Massey, Florida Pest Control, LeeCo, Fertigator, and all the other lawn care and pest control companies apply at our Villages homes. How many Villager’s dogs have died of cancer? All that stuff leaches into the aquifers. My wife and I only drink and cook with bottled water at our Villages home. Anyone who would eat anything caught out of a body of water in the greater Villages area has a death wish. I can’t believe the people who drop their cigars on the greens when putting and then pick them up and put them into their mouths? It is what it is, do the best you can to not let any of the toxic stuff enter your body.

justjim 07-15-2025 07:32 PM
Keep posting these theories and perhaps I can purchase a golf course lot under $200,000. Well, maybe that’s a bridge too far. We have a special friend in her mid fifties that was recently diagnosed with Parkinson’s and from what she tells us the doctors have no valid idea what causes this awful disorder/disease. For what it’s worth, she has never lived on a golf course and doesn’t play the game. Fore.

CoachKandSportsguy 07-15-2025 07:48 PM
the article in JAMA statistically proved increased risk in a specific area. Risk is extremely difficult to quantify, and has wide std dev bands in humans.

Doesn’t mean any particular person will get PD, just means that the risk is non zero. Can it generalize to other locations? maybe, but lots of chemicals sprayed on crops, lands ends up in places which damage the ecology.

On Long Island, the vineyards spray seepage and lawn fertilizer seepage has killed the quahog shellfish population, proven by the last long time shell fishing group. We spoke for an hour with them last summer on LI Sound !

So yes, the earth is slowly being ecologically damage, and there will be a tipping point famine someday

Topspinmo 07-15-2025 08:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter (Post 2445602)
Did you read the whole article? A lot of maybes and mights.
Like I might die someday? I think no one knows. Just collect study money with might be this or might be that and get paid.

Velvet 07-15-2025 08:28 PM
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Originally Posted by CoachKandSportsguy (Post 2445939)
the article in JAMA statistically proved increased risk in a specific area. Risk is extremely difficult to quantify, and has wide std dev bands in humans.

Doesn’t mean any particular person will get PD, just means that the risk is non zero. Can it generalize to other locations? maybe, but lots of chemicals sprayed on crops, lands ends up in places which damage the ecology.

On Long Island, the vineyards spray seepage and lawn fertilizer seepage has killed the quahog shellfish population, proven by the last long time shell fishing group. We spoke for an hour with them last summer on LI Sound !


So yes, the earth is slowly being ecologically damage, and there will be a tipping point famine someday
I respect JAMA, nevertheless, I can’t quite see what there would be on a golf course, that does not occur anywhere else that would cause an illness which we don’t know what causes.

Whatnext 07-16-2025 04:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Indydealmaker (Post 2445738)
Just remember if you are looking for credibility, this publication was all in in the COVID vaccine push.
They helped save a lot of lives then.

westernrider75 07-16-2025 04:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Yvonnie313 (Post 2445587)
I just posted in General but should have posted here. There are reports all over the news and social media lately stating that living close to a golf course raises your chances of developing Parkinson’s Disease by 126 percent! After digging I found TV has quite a large population of people with Parkinson’s. Thats very frightening to me. Since I haven’t moved to The Villages yet but would like to, what are others saying or doing about this to avoid exposure to dangerous chemicals that is causing this? (If you haven’t heard this yet, it’s simple to google it and find the info). I’m truly afraid but want to find an answers and solutions to ease my worries. Thank you
I would think if you research any 55 and older area you will find more Parkinson’s disease than if you research an area like Middleton with a younger population. Same way with many diseases that become more prevalent as we age. Just my opinion.

Ea327 07-16-2025 04:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Yvonnie313 (Post 2445587)
I just posted in General but should have posted here. There are reports all over the news and social media lately stating that living close to a golf course raises your chances of developing Parkinson’s Disease by 126 percent! After digging I found TV has quite a large population of people with Parkinson’s. Thats very frightening to me. Since I haven’t moved to The Villages yet but would like to, what are others saying or doing about this to avoid exposure to dangerous chemicals that is causing this? (If you haven’t heard this yet, it’s simple to google it and find the info). I’m truly afraid but want to find an answers and solutions to ease my worries. Thank you
I play golf 6 days a week. Am I doomed?

Moderator 07-16-2025 06:12 AM
Please Stick to the topic. Posting move elsewhere is an unkind response to new OP, that has a question.

jimmy o 07-16-2025 09:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Yvonnie313 (Post 2445587)
I just posted in General but should have posted here. There are reports all over the news and social media lately stating that living close to a golf course raises your chances of developing Parkinson’s Disease by 126 percent! After digging I found TV has quite a large population of people with Parkinson’s. Thats very frightening to me. Since I haven’t moved to The Villages yet but would like to, what are others saying or doing about this to avoid exposure to dangerous chemicals that is causing this? (If you haven’t heard this yet, it’s simple to google it and find the info). I’m truly afraid but want to find an answers and solutions to ease my worries. Thank you
All over the news and social media? Hmm, I haven’t heard anything about it. If there was any relationship to that at all it seems groundskeepers and golfers would be more exposed.

golfing eagles 07-16-2025 09:14 AM
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Originally Posted by jimmy o (Post 2446044)
All over the news and social media? Hmm, I haven’t heard anything about it. If there was any relationship to that at all it seems groundskeepers and golfers would be more exposed.
It's out there, but it was a poorly designed and controlled limited retrospective study that proved nothing. I'm sure others will do legitimate studies, and we'll see if there is anything to it

rochellepfaff 07-16-2025 12:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Yvonnie313 (Post 2445587)
I just posted in General but should have posted here. There are reports all over the news and social media lately stating that living close to a golf course raises your chances of developing Parkinson’s Disease by 126 percent! After digging I found TV has quite a large population of people with Parkinson’s. Thats very frightening to me. Since I haven’t moved to The Villages yet but would like to, what are others saying or doing about this to avoid exposure to dangerous chemicals that is causing this? (If you haven’t heard this yet, it’s simple to google it and find the info). I’m truly afraid but want to find an answers and solutions to ease my worries. Thank you
If that was true, then wouldn't the landscapers who care for the golf courses also have a high instance of Parkinsons? They are exposed to the chemicals every day.

jimjamuser 07-16-2025 01:33 PM
I can think of one factor that could LINK proximity to golf courses to Parkinson's disease. All the GASOLINE golf carts with no smog control devices on them constantly producing methane and CO2. You can smell their exhaust, especially coming from used vehicles. Homes that are close to the 1st hole parking area would get a lot of those deadly exhaust gases. Also, homes close to well traveled Villages residential streets would inhale a lot of exhaust gas from GASOLINE golf carts. I would like to know if people living in golf communities that require ELECTRIC golf carts experience less Parkinson's problems. There are also other factors like fertilizers and insect killers that are applied to the fairways and greens that could add to the Parkinson's problems.

Indydealmaker 07-16-2025 01:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Whatnext (Post 2445969)
They helped save a lot of lives then.
That is what we were informed by the stellar journalists from the mainstream media and the vested interests.

golfing eagles 07-16-2025 03:15 PM
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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2446110)
I can think of one factor that could LINK proximity to golf courses to Parkinson's disease. All the GASOLINE golf carts with no smog control devices on them constantly producing methane and CO2. You can smell their exhaust, especially coming from used vehicles. Homes that are close to the 1st hole parking area would get a lot of those deadly exhaust gases. Also, homes close to well traveled Villages residential streets would inhale a lot of exhaust gas from GASOLINE golf carts. I would like to know if people living in golf communities that require ELECTRIC golf carts experience less Parkinson's problems. There are also other factors like fertilizers and insect killers that are applied to the fairways and greens that could add to the Parkinson's problems.
The factor that comes to my mind is lithium from electric carts

asianthree 07-16-2025 04:48 PM
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Originally Posted by rochellepfaff (Post 2446098)
If that was true, then wouldn't the landscapers who care for the golf courses also have a high instance of Parkinsons? They are exposed to the chemicals every day.
Depending on the state. Northern golf courses employees have very short exposure/employment compared to year round exposure. Round up settlements are still ongoing.

Yvonnie313 07-16-2025 08:24 PM
Thank you
 
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Originally Posted by Moderator (Post 2445995)
Please Stick to the topic. Posting move elsewhere is an unkind response to new OP, that has a question.
I appreciate your comment. It truly has surprised me how many people are so snarky to me rather then just see my post as a genuine concern looking for accurate answers.

Yvonnie313 07-16-2025 08:29 PM
Thank you
 
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Originally Posted by tophcfa (Post 2445927)
It’s all pretty much the same stuff that Deans, Massey, Florida Pest Control, LeeCo, Fertigator, and all the other lawn care and pest control companies apply at our Villages homes. How many Villager’s dogs have died of cancer? All that stuff leaches into the aquifers. My wife and I only drink and cook with bottled water at our Villages home. Anyone who would eat anything caught out of a body of water in the greater Villages area has a death wish. I can’t believe the people who drop their cigars on the greens when putting and then pick them up and put them into their mouths? It is what it is, do the best you can to not let any of the toxic stuff enter your body.
Thanks for a real answer. I appreciate you responding honestly

Yvonnie313 07-16-2025 08:35 PM
Hallelujah
 
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Originally Posted by Dilligas (Post 2445871)
In the article you are quoting, "Areas that shared drinking water supplies with water used near golf courses were the most greatly impacted, the study shows. Researchers believe this shows that the pesticides used on golf courses could contribute to the amount of Parkinson's cases".
That is a factor that is unlikely in The Villages. TV water golf courses with reclaimed water and water run off into collection basins, or on the course itself when extreme rainfall amounts. The drinking water in TV comes from one of the largest aquifers in the country. TV also has a state of the art water purification system. Your home has 2 supplies of water...one for drinking and one for irrigation.
The article quoted areas in Minnesota where you do not have the controls that exist in TV.
Now this is the answer I was looking for. Facts from someone who lives there and knows what and where the water comes from and how it all relates to what the reports say are contributing factors. Thank you, remember I said I don’t live there but would like to someday and this report gave me pause. I just needed more info and thank you for answering so thoroughly. I appreciate it. :)

Yvonnie313 07-16-2025 10:35 PM
Hallelujah
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dilligas (Post 2445871)
In the article you are quoting, "Areas that shared drinking water supplies with water used near golf courses were the most greatly impacted, the study shows. Researchers believe this shows that the pesticides used on golf courses could contribute to the amount of Parkinson's cases".
That is a factor that is unlikely in The Villages. TV water golf courses with reclaimed water and water run off into collection basins, or on the course itself when extreme rainfall amounts. The drinking water in TV comes from one of the largest aquifers in the country. TV also has a state of the art water purification system. Your home has 2 supplies of water...one for drinking and one for irrigation.
The article quoted areas in Minnesota where you do not have the controls that exist in TV.
Now this is the answer I was looking for. Facts from someone who lives there and knows what and where the water comes from and how it all relates to what the reports say are contributing factors. Thank you, remember I said I don’t live there but would like to someday and this report gave me pause. I just needed more info and thank you for answering so thoroughly. I appreciate it. :)

CoachKandSportsguy 07-17-2025 08:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Velvet (Post 2445946)
I respect JAMA, nevertheless, I can’t quite see what there would be on a golf course, that does not occur anywhere else that would cause an illness which we don’t know what causes.
Not disagreeing with your point. . . However, what I do know is that the EMR/EHR systems have lots of data which can be analyzed for potential analysis such as this. The downside is that for a nation wide study to be done then many different hospital systems data would have to be merged together to get a non localized view to begin to find any unique smoking gun. . so if you get an idea, and have some time / money, the data for research is more readily available, and if enough data / studies have enough influence that there is a statistical anomaly worth finding a smoking gun, we might make some progress into the unknown

The teaching hospital and PhD program adjacent to where coachk works does use some of the EMR data in their research.

CoachKandSportsguy 07-17-2025 08:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Yvonnie313 (Post 2446193)
Now this is the answer I was looking for. Facts from someone who lives there and knows what and where the water comes from and how it all relates to what the reports say are contributing factors. Thank you, remember I said I don’t live there but would like to someday and this report gave me pause. I just needed more info and thank you for answering so thoroughly. I appreciate it. :)
Although yes, TV has separate water systems, which may appear to contradict opinions in the research study, the Florida aquifer is not immune from having water, rain or otherwise, making it down to the aquifer. the question being, where do you think the FL aquifer water comes from? Likewise, the FL aquifer is large, and does flow, so the water might not just come from the villages real estate.

Airport deicing / other chemicals poisoned some of Cape Cod's aquifers, miles away. . it was found through monitoring, not through medical records.

So retiring at 67, and the average lifespan is 83. . you have on average 16 years of declining youth invincibility health left. . . and you might not make it here due to an automobile/flood/tornado/accident you can't predict. . . . so the unfortunate very low probability random chance outcomes should never prevent one from moving here or there. .

good luck just don't fall prey to your hard wired brain's survival instinct to avoid any and all potential random chance negative outcomes.

PilotAlan 07-19-2025 08:40 PM
Not to mention that EVEN IF we assume that golf course chemicals contribute to Parkinson's, people who live on golf courses are much more likely to PLAY GOLF on courses regularly.
Meaning they are getting much more exposure from being in/on the actual vegetation, getting directly exposed.
JAMA called them out for significantly questionable statistical analysis and assumptions, and confounding factors were largely disregarded.

DonH57 07-20-2025 08:39 AM
Well. I've never researched the relationship possibilities between golf and Parkinsons but it is odd my Tourettes disappeared shortly after I retired and reared it's ugly head soon after taking up golf. Of course it never happens at the doctor's office.:gc:


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