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RickeyD 10-02-2015 07:54 AM

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Originally Posted by outlaw (Post 1123026)
I notice there seems to be more lung cancers going on; non-smoking related. What are the doctors telling you the probable causes are?


They don't know because there is not enough research. The money flows elsewhere.

xNYer 10-02-2015 08:03 AM

Statistics
 
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Originally Posted by looneycat (Post 1122579)
while I understand the popularity of breast cancer events, everybody is obsessed with boobs, they draw the public awareness away from the truly deadly cancers.

Percentage of patients deceased within five years after diagnosis:

Pancreatic cancer –93%
Liver cancer – 83.9%
Lung cancer – 83.4%
Esophageal cancer – 82.7%
Stomach cancer – 72.3%
Brain cancer – 66.5%

Ovarian cancer – 55.8%
Leukemia – 44%
Laryngeal cancer – 39.4%
Oral cancer – 37.8%
Colon cancer – 35.1%
Bone cancer – 33.6%
Colorectal cancer – 33.5%
Cervical cancer – 32.1%
Non-Hodgkin lymphoma - 30.7%
Kidney cancer – 28.2%
Bladder cancer – 22.1%
Uterine cancer – 18.5%
Breast cancer – 10.8%
Skin cancer – 8.7%
Thyroid cancer – 2.3%
Prostate cancer – 0.8%

This misstates the frequency of the various cancers. Breast and prostate cancers are far more prevalent than pancreatic cancer. The considerable advancement in treatments of the more frequently diagnosed cancers has caused a significant reduction in the five year death rate.

NotFromAroundHere 10-02-2015 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by xNYer (Post 1123046)
This misstates the frequency of the various cancers. Breast and prostate cancers are far more prevalent than pancreatic cancer. The considerable advancement in treatments of the more frequently diagnosed cancers has caused a significant reduction in the five year death rate.

Exactly. For many of the higher mortality cancers on this list, breast cancer has more deaths then the others even have diagnoses.

NotFromAroundHere 10-02-2015 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by looneycat (Post 1122671)
breast cancer is most lethal when it has spread and become one of the other forms...

So what you're saying is - breast cancer awareness, which is certainly increased by all of the pink events, helps to reduce the mortality from breast cancer and other types of cancer.

goodtimesintv 10-02-2015 09:48 AM

If you feel slighted with other types of cancer, then DO what the women did to raise awareness and the research monies.

While men could have been campaigning to raise awareness and research monies for prostate cancer, they--at younger ages than prostate cancer years--have seemed to be far more focused on Viagra and the other superficial drugs. That is stupid.

looneycat 10-03-2015 06:41 AM

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Originally Posted by xNYer (Post 1123046)
This misstates the frequency of the various cancers. Breast and prostate cancers are far more prevalent than pancreatic cancer. The considerable advancement in treatments of the more frequently diagnosed cancers has caused a significant reduction in the five year death rate.

it does not show frequency at all just the percent of those who die, it states exactly what it claims to. the incidence of cancer is roughly 235,000/yr of whom the 5 year mortality rate is 40,000. the incidence of pancreatic cancer is about 41,000/yr of whom 39,500 die in 5 years.....neither is a good outcome

looneycat 10-03-2015 07:01 AM

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Originally Posted by goodtimesintv (Post 1123114)
If you feel slighted with other types of cancer, then DO what the women did to raise awareness and the research monies.

While men could have been campaigning to raise awareness and research monies for prostate cancer, they--at younger ages than prostate cancer years--have seemed to be far more focused on Viagra and the other superficial drugs. That is stupid.

they have but nobody created a campaign for them that appealed to women as well. no pink ribbons or cute clothes and hats and bags to buy in pink for a disease that almost always kills. to say that men didn't campaign because they were too busy with viagra is just obscene.

looneycat 10-03-2015 07:09 AM

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Originally Posted by NotFromAroundHere (Post 1123078)
So what you're saying is - breast cancer awareness, which is certainly increased by all of the pink events, helps to reduce the mortality from breast cancer and other types of cancer.

really? at which pink event were there other types of cancer survivors, how were they highlighted at these events?

looneycat 10-03-2015 07:22 AM

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Originally Posted by looneycat (Post 1122579)
while I understand the popularity of breast cancer events, everybody is obsessed with boobs, they draw the public awareness away from the truly deadly cancers.

It makes me sad to see in the oncologist's office all the pink ribbons, the fundraiser posters, upcoming events, etc. while my husband waits for his grueling prostate cancer treatment there. Only breast cancer matters.

I hope with all my heart that your husband goes into total remission. I am sorry you have to experience the empty feeling one gets from feeling their issue doesn't get the attention it needs to achieve better results.

Bonny 10-03-2015 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by looneycat (Post 1123432)
really? at which pink event were there other types of cancer survivors, how were they highlighted at these events?

I'm a cancer survivor. Not breast cancer, but I'll still wear the pink !! It definitely helps all with cancer. Most raise money for cancer research, not just breast cancer.

outlaw 10-03-2015 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by goodtimesintv (Post 1123114)
If you feel slighted with other types of cancer, then DO what the women did to raise awareness and the research monies.

While men could have been campaigning to raise awareness and research monies for prostate cancer, they--at younger ages than prostate cancer years--have seemed to be far more focused on Viagra and the other superficial drugs. That is stupid.

Hey, it's how you live, not how long you live...that's why, thanks to men, we have made great strides in HDTV and sports broadcasting.

graciegirl 10-03-2015 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by outlaw (Post 1123517)
Hey, it's how you live, not how long you live...that's why, thanks to men, we have made great strides in HDTV and sports broadcasting.



Sometimes I am just amazed. Just amazed at the things people write. I know they don't mean them.

Gerald 10-03-2015 09:51 AM

I support the breast cancer movement, not because of the breasts but because it is like all cancers a disease to cure. It's terrible effect on the person. If you don't that is your right.

outlaw 10-03-2015 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1123536)
Sometimes I am just amazed. Just amazed at the things people write. I know they don't mean them.

You must be new to forums.

graciegirl 10-03-2015 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by outlaw (Post 1123584)
You must be new to forums.



When the subject is cancer...that about does it for establishing that we are now in serious territory. The only people who are allowed to joke about it, are those who have had it.


Because it is never a light subject and rarely discussed with sports broadcasting.

l2ridehd 10-03-2015 12:44 PM

There is a reason why breast cancer is down to a 10% 5 year survival rate and it's because of all the awareness that pink has created. So lots more early diagnosis because of education, more research into cures, and more knowledge exchanged to identify the correct treatment regiment to follow for those who have this disease.

Other cancers could certainly benefit if the same awareness model was followed. Any cancer cure or improvement in survival rate is good for all of us. And finding cures for any help find cures and add funds and resources to those that still need cures found. So support it and others, it will all help.

JoMar 10-03-2015 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by looneycat (Post 1122579)
while I understand the popularity of breast cancer events, everybody is obsessed with boobs, they draw the public awareness away from the truly deadly cancers.

Percentage of patients deceased within five years after diagnosis:

Pancreatic cancer –93%
Liver cancer – 83.9%
Lung cancer – 83.4%
Esophageal cancer – 82.7%
Stomach cancer – 72.3%
Brain cancer – 66.5%

Ovarian cancer – 55.8%
Leukemia – 44%
Laryngeal cancer – 39.4%
Oral cancer – 37.8%
Colon cancer – 35.1%
Bone cancer – 33.6%
Colorectal cancer – 33.5%
Cervical cancer – 32.1%
Non-Hodgkin lymphoma - 30.7%
Kidney cancer – 28.2%
Bladder cancer – 22.1%
Uterine cancer – 18.5%
Breast cancer – 10.8%
Skin cancer – 8.7%
Thyroid cancer – 2.3%
Prostate cancer – 0.8%

An example of statistics used to skew opinion that comes from ignorance or laziness to understand what is under the statistics. Either way, not very constructive or informative.

lambchop285 10-03-2015 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by looneycat (Post 1122579)
while I understand the popularity of breast cancer events, everybody is obsessed with boobs, they draw the public awareness away from the truly deadly cancers.

Percentage of patients deceased within five years after diagnosis:

Pancreatic cancer –93%
Liver cancer – 83.9%
Lung cancer – 83.4%
Esophageal cancer – 82.7%
Stomach cancer – 72.3%
Brain cancer – 66.5%

Ovarian cancer – 55.8%
Leukemia – 44%
Laryngeal cancer – 39.4%
Oral cancer – 37.8%
Colon cancer – 35.1%
Bone cancer – 33.6%
Colorectal cancer – 33.5%
Cervical cancer – 32.1%
Non-Hodgkin lymphoma - 30.7%
Kidney cancer – 28.2%
Bladder cancer – 22.1%
Uterine cancer – 18.5%
Breast cancer – 10.8%
Skin cancer – 8.7%
Thyroid cancer – 2.3%
Prostate cancer – 0.8%

i find this offensive. If you were diagnosed with ANY cancer you would hope for the support of your friends and neighbors... and I dont this TOTV is a proper place to voice your anger....

FosterMomma 10-03-2015 08:22 PM

If your statistics are correct, perhaps the reason Breast Cancer is in the lower ranks is precisely because of the money raised by these events and the awareness they garner. It takes research money to beat this terrible disease.

And if there's a colour and day for any of the other cancers, I would happily support them as well.

jgreen12 10-05-2015 05:46 AM

Click on the links below to find the COMPLETE FACTS. They are GOV. STATISTICS FOR WOMEN, MEN, AND GENERAL.

Common Cancer Types - National Cancer Institute

CDC - Cancer Statistics - Women

CDC - Cancer Statistics - Men

Judy n Ron 10-05-2015 06:58 AM

Wife best friend had breast cancer and survived. However it metastized to her lungs then ultimately her brain, which are in your top 2 list. Nuff said.

outlaw 10-05-2015 07:10 AM

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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1123600)
When the subject is cancer...that about does it for establishing that we are now in serious territory. The only people who are allowed to joke about it, are those who have had it.


Because it is never a light subject and rarely discussed with sports broadcasting.

I wasn't joking about cancer. I was joking about men and their priorities. But why am I wasting time trying to explain anything to you? Bless your heart, and have a nice day!

Villager Joyce 10-05-2015 07:49 AM

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Originally Posted by outlaw (Post 1124489)
I wasn't joking about cancer. I was joking about men and their priorities. But why am I wasting time trying to explain anything to you? Bless your heart, and have a nice day!

The best defense is a good offense.

FosterMomma 10-05-2015 08:11 AM

I guess I don't see this as an "either/or" issue. Both my parents died of cancer. I have had it as has my 30 year old daughter (neither one breast cancer) but I will wear pink to support all the warrior women in my life, just as I would wear a daffodil or red to support the heart disease that plagues my husband and so many others. I find the negative posts to be astonishingly without compassion or generosity. Surely we can all imagine that research and cure for one cancer would serve to assist in finding cures for them all.

Tea42 10-05-2015 08:16 AM

Why is there a problem supporting this cause. It takes so little effort. If it motevates one person to be tested and it turns out they have cancer, then this support has worked. The reason the "events" are so popular is because so many people work hard to promote awareness and we shouldn't have a problem with their efforts as Jima64 stated.

If we had more "events" for the other cancers I am sure The Villages would support them. In my former life, people went door to door collecting for causes. I didn't slam the door on them.

However, I respect your opinion.

outlaw 10-05-2015 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Tea42 (Post 1124527)
Why is there a problem supporting this cause. It takes so little effort. If it motevates one person to be tested and it turns out they have cancer, then this support has worked. The reason the "events" are so popular is because so many people work hard to promote awareness and we shouldn't have a problem with their efforts as Jima64 stated.

If we had more "events" for the other cancers I am sure The Villages would support them. In my former life, people went door to door collecting for causes. I didn't slam the door on them.

However, I respect your opinion.

I think there are a lot of good causes and a lot of good intentions. But there are soooooo many now, that many people have become numb to all causes. Not judging one way or the other. Just saying that's the way it is.

CFrance 10-05-2015 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by JoMar (Post 1123671)
An example of statistics used to skew opinion that comes from ignorance or laziness to understand what is under the statistics. Either way, not very constructive or informative.

I'm late telling you how good I think your response was.:BigApplause:

BradnKathy 10-05-2015 09:28 AM

I agree with original post
 
I've been making the same point for years but you got to hand it to the ladies, what a PR campaign.

BTW has anyone looked at what the National Breast Cancer Foundation, Inc leadership gets paid. Not bad for "NON PROFIT".

tommymc 10-05-2015 09:41 AM

I will not go pink
 
I support all ribbon colors!!!! I have Multiple Sclerosis (M/S) so lets add ORANGE to the list of colors not to wear !.!.....

AnnieMc 10-05-2015 11:02 AM

Bad info. Many of the "Pink" events send proceeds to the American Cancer Society. Not just for Breast Cancer.

Linda Ann 10-05-2015 11:47 AM

For some reason the writer thinks the derogatory term "boobs" is acceptable. OK, whatever. I believe my breast, brains, ovaries, colon, skin etc. are all important parts of my body. Cancer in any part of my body can kill me.
Some people give to different causes due to the loss of a loved one. You are free to give or not give to whoever you choose. Your cause may not be mine and mine may not be yours. So be it.
The important thing is that people give to research if they choose to do so. Without research we would not have the simplest or complex ways to combat illnesses. If person takes an aspirin or has an artificial knee replacement it is because someone financed that research. Think of all the medications and health services that has helped you throughout your life and silently thank those who made it possible.

bdorman 10-05-2015 11:51 AM

The percentages are meaningless without "number of people" figures.

One percentage might be 98% but only effects 100 people, while another percentage is only 10% but effects 10,000 people.

Villager Joyce 10-05-2015 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Linda Ann (Post 1124687)
For some reason the writer thinks the derogatory term "boobs" is acceptable. OK, whatever. I believe my breast, brains, ovaries, colon, skin etc. are all important parts of my body. Cancer in any part of my body can kill me.
Some people give to different causes due to the loss of a loved one. You are free to give or not give to whoever you choose. Your cause may not be mine and mine may not be yours. So be it.
The important thing is that people give to research if they choose to do so. Without research we would not have the simplest or complex ways to combat illnesses. If person takes an aspirin or has an artificial knee replacement it is because someone financed that research. Think of all the medications and health services that has helped you throughout your life and silently thank those who made it possible.

I agree with everything you say except...thank them LOUDLY.

pauld315 10-05-2015 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by AnnieMc (Post 1124665)
Bad info. Many of the "Pink" events send proceeds to the American Cancer Society. Not just for Breast Cancer.

I am not sure about that. If you take a look at the Komen site which is arguably the largest non profit raising money for breast cancer, the money they raise goes toward breast cancer related expenses or administration.

Regardless, the women have done a fantastic job with PR to raise money for this one specific form of cancer. Granted, at times, the research for breast cancer can be used with other forms of cancer. However, it would be nice if more of the money raised could be donated to organizations trying to fight all types of cancer.

I say this having a wife who has benefited tremendously over the past 20 years of fighting this disease successfully through research that was done with money earmarked for breast cancer. She has survived it twice, the last time being 11 years ago and she will be a 20 year survivor next year. Being the primary caregiver, I saw firsthand the inside of many oncology offices, cancer treatment hospitals and radiation clinics. There are so many other forms of cancer that need the same attention as breast cancer. There are several that have a minimal chance of surviving 5 years after diagnosis still and no concerted efforts to help raise money for research. This is unacceptable in 2015.

With early detection, breast cancer has nowhere near the 5 year mortality rate it once had due to all the money that has poured in for research and education. That is a great thing and while I would love to see this form completely eradicated, however, there needs to be more focus and resources put on other forms of cancer at this point. Until we can eradicate all forms of cancer through more global research, I don't think any of them will ever get down to a 0% 5 year mortality rate.

pgc4340 10-05-2015 01:15 PM

The BEAST known as Cancer
 
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Originally Posted by looneycat (Post 1122579)
while I understand the popularity of breast cancer events, everybody is obsessed with boobs, they draw the public awareness away from the truly deadly cancers.

Percentage of patients deceased within five years after diagnosis:

Pancreatic cancer –93%
Liver cancer – 83.9%
Lung cancer – 83.4%
Esophageal cancer – 82.7%
Stomach cancer – 72.3%
Brain cancer – 66.5%

Ovarian cancer – 55.8%
Leukemia – 44%
Laryngeal cancer – 39.4%
Oral cancer – 37.8%
Colon cancer – 35.1%
Bone cancer – 33.6%
Colorectal cancer – 33.5%
Cervical cancer – 32.1%
Non-Hodgkin lymphoma - 30.7%
Kidney cancer – 28.2%
Bladder cancer – 22.1%
Uterine cancer – 18.5%
Breast cancer – 10.8%
Skin cancer – 8.7%
Thyroid cancer – 2.3%
Prostate cancer – 0.8%

I understand your desire to go pink. I did not go pink until my dearest friend died from breast cancer age 53 years old. On her 6 year anniversary date of being declared cancer free, breast cancer was found to have metastasized to her liver. Another friend was recently diagnosed, and after surgery is under treatment. Another childhood friend had prostrate cancer, was doing very well, until it was also found to have metastasized to his liver. He is now on hospice at 68 years old. My neighbor across the street was found to have cancer in his brain, too late for treatment, he died within days at age 65. I also have friends who have lost children/grandchildren to childhood cancer, which relapsed again and again. Now I support all cancers, but now I donate more toward those with little promise of a cure because of the need for more research.

Villager Joyce 10-05-2015 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by pgc4340 (Post 1124744)
I understand your desire to go pink. I did not go pink until my dearest friend died from breast cancer age 53 years old. On her 6 year anniversary date of being declared cancer free, breast cancer was found to have metastasized to her liver. Another friend was recently diagnosed, and after surgery is under treatment. Another childhood friend had prostrate cancer, was doing very well, until it was also found to have metastasized to his liver. He is now on hospice at 68 years old. My neighbor across the street was found to have cancer in his brain, too late for treatment, he died within days at age 65. I also have friends who have lost children/grandchildren to childhood cancer, which relapsed again and again. Now I support all cancers, but now I donate more toward those with little promise of a cure because of the need for more research.

I wish I could have some of what you have in your heart. You have every reason to be negative, but your message is a positive one with hope. Thank you for posting.

lynnschindel 10-05-2015 08:05 PM

Breast Cancer not a "truly deadly" disease?
 
It's hard to believe that anyone would campaign for people NOT to support curing cancer of any type! I'm a survivor of breast cancer - one of the lucky ones because I caught it very early. Cancer, in all its forms, is non-partisan in its deadliness. When the doctor says to you, "I'm sorry - it's malignant" nothing can prepare you for the fear that makes your blood run cold. I hope you never hear those words. And by the way, a lot of men get breast cancer, too. So, please don't be a "boob" and be selective in your support of a cure.

goodtimesintv 10-05-2015 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by looneycat (Post 1123429)
they have but nobody created a campaign for them that appealed to women as well. no pink ribbons or cute clothes and hats and bags to buy in pink for a disease that almost always kills. to say that men didn't campaign because they were too busy with viagra is just obscene.

Oh, really?

Here's a good example:

Prostate Cancer Therapy Too Good to Be True Explodes Health Costs

“Imagine a prostate cancer therapy that has almost no side effects. Hospitals say it exists and they’re vying to be among the first to offer it.

Too bad the treatment may not work as well as advertised and could boost America’s already spiraling health-care costs.

The technology uses narrowly focused proton beams to deliver precisely targeted blasts of radiation. The particle beams are delivered by 500-ton machines in facilities that cost from $100 million to $200 million, and can require a football-field sized building to house.

A typical treatment costs about $50,000, twice as much as traditional radiation therapy though it is usually covered by Medicare or private insurance......

....The easiest group to market to in the country is a group of men worrying about the functioning of their pen**es,” said Paul Levy, former head of Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Center in Boston....


Prostate Cancer Therapy Too Good to Be True Explodes Health Cost - Bloomberg Business


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