Thank you, golfing eagles, MD,

A couple of days ago, I tried to make the point about the collateral deaths that result from hospitals crammed with UNvaccinated Covid patients hogging beds, causing heart surgeries, and other needed surgeries, to be postponed because there is not enough room or staff to take care of them.

But (sigh) all I got back was that routine about the vaccinated carrying the virus -- and other diversionary tactics that are predictable. I must assume that they cannot imagine that they or someone they love could be among those shut out of care because our hospitals are being put under this completely unnecessary stress caused by the UNvaccinated.

In regard to the idea of a federal mask mandate -- I think that would be stupid because it would not work and would only add fuel to this fire. It is not going to happen.

I find the prohibiting of mask requirements handed down from state governments to be horrifying. It is damned creepy to use kids as pawns.

I do like knowing that private businesses are starting to play hardball. Delta is raising insurance premiums on their UNvaccinated employees by $200 a month.

Some of the hospitals in my hometown are requiring vaccinations. Some are not -- yet. I cannot imagine that all those nurses who are threatening to quit can be employed elsewhere -- unless they want to travel or move, and it would be stupid to uproot their lives for some "cause." Maybe peer-group pressure will work on them as many are signing up to get the vaccine now.

I heard yesterday that my hometown's main theater is going to require proof of vaccination. I have not read that for myself yet, but I sure hope it is true. I think that requirement will be good for theater. The arts have been suffering for a year and a half.

So anyway, leave the feds out of it, but let businesses make their own decisions about requiring the vaccine.

And tighten up the unemployment checks so that those who lose their jobs over refusing vaccination (unless they have a medical reason) are not able to get unemployment on some kind of technicality. They need not think they will have the luxury of lardassing around on my dime.

Oh well, enough of this. I did not intend to get started this morning.

Boomer

There are plenty of "people" here on your side of the fence that questions the patriotism of those the opposite side of that same fence. Feels good, huh? You and others need to be careful.

Exactly. There seems to be a handful of posters, probably anti-vaxxers and probably none too bright, that seem to think that by reposting "the vaccinated can spread the disease just as much as the unvaccinated", they will make some point or another, whatever they think that is. It is a lame attempt to equate two groups that are in no way equivalent.

In summary:

THE VACCINATED AND UNVACCINATED ARE NOT THE SAME.

They have vastly different rates of contracting COVID, spreading COVID, getting hospitalized and dying. The sad part is that this should be a very easy, clear cut choice, but for some they are having trouble processing this information. Some may be following a political agenda, some may be afraid of the shot more than the disease, and some are just oblivious to what is happening. Like Judge Judy says---"You can't fix stupid"

The purpose of a forum is to contribute IDEAS to the local community - the purpose is NOT to just STALK those that ARE TRYING to make a contribution!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!

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I made a contribution and commented on your continual diatribe. Look back and take "you ain't seen nothing yet" in the context it was given to your post.

You still ain't seen nothing yet

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Do not group me with anyone. You do not know me. I have NEVER challenged anyone's patriotism on this or any other site. I stand by my statements.

Agreed and what is it about other countries that are UNIFIED in their acceptance of government suggestions? Why is the US so OBSTINATE to the point of SELF-DESTRUCTION? Could it be all the John Wayne-type movies about the WILD (and glamorized to be highly INDIVIDUALIZED) WEST? Did those Western-type of movies settle into the American psychic like soft PROPAGANDA? Do many male adults have their CAP-GUN-DAYS still imprinted on their minds. Is that why they are SO resistant to LEGAL mandates.

I wish a forensic psychiatrist could link up with a forensic detective and write a book that would answer the question of why some US citizens are RESISTANT to government mandates. Both of the countries of Canada and Australia are less RESISTANT and that can be checked out statistically. The US has about 45 CV deaths per 100,000 people. Canada and Australia have about TWO, yes 2. And yes, they have experienced a surge, but that surge was from almost NOTHING to very LITTLE!

I seriously hope that was not a threat. It certainly sounds like a not so veiled threat.

I wish that I didn't agree with you on this post - but I DO! I hope that I can get to Canada because I have ZERO desire to take part in America destroying America - because what takes its place will be an ABOMINATION to HUMANITY!

My post;
Your post;
No it wasn't a threat just like this wasn't ;

And as far as this comment goes ;

I refer you to this ;

Sounds to me like you're questioning someone's patriotism.

Debating an important issue is NEVER a waste of time. On a national Historic scale, I offer as an example the Abe Lincoln and Douglas ( or whomever) debates. Patrick Henry made an important quote in History to sway people toward his side of an issue. Debating is studied and promoted in Universities throughout the US and the world. NOT taking out an argument leads to violence as a way to resolve conflicts. That is what the profession of Marriage Counselor is ALL about. Conclusion......debate is as American as APPLE PIE!

Ahh yes...Patrick Henry..........Love this part of that speech:

“Gentlemen may cry, ‘Peace, Peace,’ but there is no peace. The war is actually begun! The next gale that sweeps from the north will bring to our ears the clash of resounding arms! Our brethren are already in the field! Why stand we here idle? ... Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty, or give me death!"

Like Judge Judy says "you can't use outdated statistics"

Vastly different rates of contracting and spreading? Not since Delta arrived.

Israel has among the world’s highest levels of vaccination for COVID-19, with 78% of those 12 and older fully vaccinated, the vast majority with the Pfizer vaccine. Yet the country is now logging one of the world’s highest infection rates, with nearly 650 new cases daily per million people. More than half are in fully vaccinated people, underscoring the extraordinary transmissibility of the Delta variant and stoking concerns that the benefits of vaccination ebb over time.

AAAS

Fully Vaccinated People Account for 1 in 4 COVID Cases Here, New CDC Report Says

Fully Vaccinated People Account for 1 in 4 COVID Cases Here, New CDC Report Says

I wouldn't call 25 to 50- percent breakthrough cases "vastly different"

Israel is like the canary in the coal mine and scientists/epidemiologists are watching what happens there closely. They were one of the first countries to fully vaccinate a large persentage of citizens, the Delta wave hit them earlier than USA, they documented the large percentage of breakthrough cases, and they are the first country to implement country wide booster shots. (which appear to be working quite well)

I am fully vaxed and recommend it to all at risk. But I find the vaccine shaming and call for vaccine passports ridiculous. First of all, there are probably over 100 million Americans with immunity from previous infection. Immunity that is stronger and more robust than that given by the vaccine. Should they be shamed and forced to vaccinate?

Personally, right now I'd feel safer in a room, boat or plane with 100% covid survivors than 100% vaccinated, because the fact is currently the rate of infection is "vastly different" when comparing breakthrough cases vs reinfections. :)

And now for the geography lesson-----we are NOT in Israel. Right here in Central Florida OVER 90% of the hospitalized are UNVACCINATED. Like Judge Judy says---"You can't use cherry picked statistics":1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

I guess you missed the link to CDC study in Los Angeles. The Delta virus does not care where it is. Delta surge started earlier in Israel. Scientists around the world have closely watched Israel to see how vaccinations could affect the pandemic, since the country launched a rapid vaccination campaign in December 2020. This saw more than half of its population fully vaccinated as early as March this year.

PS I didn't say a thing about hospitalizations, just refuted your wild assertion that breathrough cases/infections were at "vastly different rates"

But since you asked for it.

Earlier this month, Science magazine reported that 514 Israelis were hospitalized with COVID as of August 15, that 59 percent of these had been fully vaccinated, and that the vast majority of these fully vaccinated people were aged 60 or older.

Israel's Grim COVID Data Suggests Vaccines Alone Won't Stop Pandemic.