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SusanStCatherine 02-29-2024 03:47 PM

To answer your original question, I believe getting regular Medicare with a Medigap policy, you will have a much wider network than you currently have. Medicare is widely accepted. I currently have Florida Blue from the healthcare exchange and almost no decent providers accept it. I asked my providers if they accept Medicare and they all do. And some providers I am trying to get in to see say they take Medicare. Hope this helps.

BrianL99 02-29-2024 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2306313)
I'll keep the answer short: Because the primary care doctor can diagnose and treat your sciatica just as well as an orthopedist, up to the point where you are in the 10% that need surgery.

I knew the day would come, when I'd agree with you.

Orthopedist seem to want to do nothing but operate. I had two guys tell me they wanted to operate on both my shoulders, for torn rotator cuffs. Gave me cortisone shots and told me to get ready for surgery.

One of my golfing buddies (a chiropractor, actually), said: Are you serious? At your age? After all that golf? It will be like trying to sew 2 pieces of wet toilet paper together. Go get 3rd opinion, bilateral rotary cuff failure doesn't happen over-night.

I know you won't approve of this part, but ... with the help of Google, my daughter & I diagnosed the real problem that my PCP had missed. PMR. Went to a Rheumatologist and 3 years later I'm cured (or dormant) and didn't lose a day of golf.

BrianL99 02-29-2024 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by biker1 (Post 2306210)
Just in case you didn't realize, all of the Supplemental Plans are identical in terms of coverage. In other words, one insurance company's Plan G is identical to another insurance company's Plan G. The cost, however, will vary. In addition, some of the insurance companies may allow you change from one plan to another (say move from Plan G to Plan N) without going through underwriting. For example, UHC in Florida allows this.

As I understand them, you're correct in all the plans are comparable. That said, not all plans are available in all states. Some states limit the Medicare Supplemental Plans that can be sold in their state.

In Massachusetts, there are only three plan types available: Core, Supplement 1 and Supplement 1A. There are other states (I believe) with similar standards.

To take it a step further, there are some regional agreements of some sort in place, for adjoining states. I had MA Medicare Supplemental and when I moved to NH, I was allowed to keep my MA Part A&B, but not Part D.

golfing eagles 02-29-2024 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by BrianL99 (Post 2306319)
I knew the day would come, when I'd agree with you.

Orthopedist seem to want to do nothing but operate. I had two guys tell me they wanted to operate on both my shoulders, for torn rotator cuffs. Gave me cortisone shots and told me to get ready for surgery.

One of my golfing buddies (a chiropractor, actually), said: Are you serious? At your age? After all that golf? It will be like trying to sew 2 pieces of wet toilet paper together. Go get 3rd opinion, bilateral rotary cuff failure doesn't happen over-night.

I know you won't approve of this part, but ... with the help of Google, my daughter & I diagnosed the real problem that my PCP had missed. PMR. Went to a Rheumatologist and 3 years later I'm cured (or dormant) and didn't lose a day of golf.

Your PCP missed a diagnosis of PMR? Ouch. Usually pretty obvious, and when your ESR comes back 130, it's even more obvious. Low dose/alt day steroids for you????

SusanStCatherine 02-29-2024 04:15 PM

Do an internet search and you will find that doctors and hospitals are currently dropping Advantage plans. All hospitals take Medicare - every single one. If you have been on your Advantage plan for awhile (I think it's a year) you need to be medically underwritten to get regular Medicare/Medigap unless your policy is in CT, ME, MA, or NY. If you have a Medicare/Medigap policy you can jump to an Advantage plan with no questions asked. You just won't be able to get back.

BrianL99 02-29-2024 04:40 PM

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Your PCP missed a diagnosis of PMR? Ouch. Usually pretty obvious, and when your ESR comes back 130, it's even more obvious. Low dose/alt day steroids for you????

ESR over 130. 1 year of almost debilitating pain. Had PCP do CRP (after our Google research). CRP was 100+..

20 mg of Prednisone every day, taper when the CRP# and pain reduces. Up down, up down, up down for 3 years. Tapered all the way down to 2mg/day (3 times) ... then had to go back up again.

At least I didn't get balloon face and tolerated the Prednisone well. My CRP still runs around 15 or so, but I guess that's just me. "Treat the patient, not the numbers" my Rheumatologist says they taught her in school.

golfing eagles 02-29-2024 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by BrianL99 (Post 2306332)
ESR over 130. 1 year of almost debilitating pain. Had PCP do CRP (after our Google research). CRP was 100+..

20 mg of Prednisone every day, taper when the CRP# and pain reduces. Up down, up down, up down for 3 years. Tapered all the way down to 2mg/day (3 times) ... then had to go back up again.

At least I didn't get balloon face and tolerated the Prednisone well. My CRP still runs around 15 or so, but I guess that's just me. "Treat the patient, not the numbers" my Rheumatologist says they taught her in school.

Sorry you've had such a rough time of it---clearly you're in the worst 10% of PMR I've seen. The good news is that low dose and alternate day steroids are generally well tolerated, even for a long time. You will continue to have dosage adjustments, it's not an exact science. Hope you continue to get well.

Pugchief 02-29-2024 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by SusanStCatherine (Post 2306318)
To answer your original question, I believe getting regular Medicare with a Medigap policy, you will have a much wider network than you currently have. Medicare is widely accepted. I currently have Florida Blue from the healthcare exchange and almost no decent providers accept it. I asked my providers if they accept Medicare and they all do. And some providers I am trying to get in to see say they take Medicare. Hope this helps.

Weird. I have Blue Cross PPO from UpNorth thru the exchange and there are copious choices of in-network doctors down here.

BrianL99 02-29-2024 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2306338)
Sorry you've had such a rough time of it---clearly you're in the worst 10% of PMR I've seen. The good news is that low dose and alternate day steroids are generally well tolerated, even for a long time. You will continue to have dosage adjustments, it's not an exact science. Hope you continue to get well.

Knock on wood, but I haven't touched Prednisone for about a year now. CRP stays around 15, but I feel great for 71. Now if I could just get my handicap back to where it was.

OrangeBlossomBaby 02-29-2024 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by SusanStCatherine (Post 2306318)
To answer your original question, I believe getting regular Medicare with a Medigap policy, you will have a much wider network than you currently have. Medicare is widely accepted. I currently have Florida Blue from the healthcare exchange and almost no decent providers accept it. I asked my providers if they accept Medicare and they all do. And some providers I am trying to get in to see say they take Medicare. Hope this helps.

Maybe almost no decent providers accept -your- plan. But FloridaBlue PPO marketplace (Bronze, Silver, Gold) plans have a nationwide network and MOST providers accept MOST FloridaBlue PPO plans. The HMOs are extremely limited.

Using the FloridaBlue provider directory /without/ logging in with my user name, I had no problem finding a dermatologist in Connecticut that accepts FloridaBlue insurance. Why? Because FloridaBlue is just Florida's Blue Cross Blue Shield affiliate.

But as I said - an HMO will be limited only to an exclusive list of providers and specialists, even if it's a national insurance company like BCBS. If you have a PPO, you'll have no trouble finding a doctor, group, specialist, hospital, that accepts FB. However, because of shortages of physicians, they might not be accepting new patients. But if they accept new patients, chances are they'll accept your insurance.

Sabella 03-01-2024 05:49 AM

Pick original Medicare all day every day
 
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Originally Posted by BigDawgInLakeDenham (Post 2305814)
Why are you all so worried about specialists? Why aren't you worried about a solid primary Care doctor that can get to know you and manage your needs? Are you those people that don't have a doctor but want a specialist when you're really f'ed up? I'm really interested in how you come up with your way of thinking because I spent a career working with people coming into the hospital because they believed themselves to be healthy and would see a specialist if they ever needed, but because they didn't pursue primary care, like managed care or an advantage plan, they were too far gone for any "specialist" to save. The general public knows nothing about navigating the Healthcare system. I had an HMO for 40 years of work and have always had everything I've needed because you can get "specialists" and I get all of the same in my "mistake" of an Advantage Plan. You never admit that you can choose a PPO that gives you more doctors to choose from or do you not understand that concept. Please do tell us your health history and how it's negatively been impacted by Advantage Plans and how traditional Medicare has saved your lives. Never once was I told not to do CPR on someone because they had an advantage plan. Never once did I not do labs on an advantage plan patient. Healthcare Professionals don't see insurance in that moment you really need them. Actually I never heard anyone mention a patient's insurance. Other people's health and lives is nothing to tinker with and insurance choices are and should be personal. Everyone needs a Primary Care Physician to manage their care and to recommend appropriate treatment including a specialist, only if necessary. Seeing a specialist unnecessarily is abusing and burdening the health care system but entitled people don't see it that way. I'm done for now

I will refrain from adding all my comments about Medicare advantage plans, and the only thing that I know for sure is as you get older, and as we get older, we get sicker and more problems with our health you will wish you had stuck with original Medicare with a gap plan.

SusanStCatherine 03-01-2024 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Pugchief (Post 2306342)
Weird. I have Blue Cross PPO from UpNorth thru the exchange and there are copious choices of in-network doctors down here.

Well that is not the same plan if it is not Florida Blue. Is Advanced Dermatology in your plan? They dropped Florida Blue right before I had an appointment there. Also Jerrold Ecklind no longer takes it. My daughter got in as a new patient in 2021 to see him and I cannot get in until I get Medicare.

Florida Blue Select Bronze ppo/EPO -
A 64 y.o. Female non- smoker monthly premium $923/mo gets you a $6,150 deductible and a $9,450 out of pocket limit. So you get to pay (add premiums and deductible combined) $20,526 before they pay out the first penny. It's pretty much the least expensive PPO plan. Yet I've been told "Select" narrows the network further.
Florida Blue asked me if I want their medigap plan and I told them I hated my current plan so no way I would go with them so they hung up on me LOL

SusanStCatherine 03-01-2024 09:34 AM

My broker told me that I probably cannot switch between Medigap plans (like switching from plan N to plan G) not even within the same Insurer. So basically you are stuck with the plan you pick your first year for the rest of your life. The one exception is leaving medigap to join an Advantage plan at any time. So when you reach Medicare you are thrown back into the preexisting conditions that the ACA was meant to protect. SMH

biker1 03-01-2024 09:52 AM

Maybe. AARP UHC for Sumter County (and probably other counties in Florida or all of Florida) allows you to switch Supplemental Plans without underwriting. Perhaps this has changed in the last year but it was true about 1 year ago as my wife switched from Plan F to Plan G. Our broker, who has been reliable to date, told us she would warn us if UHC was going to change their policy regarding switching Plans without needing to go through underwriting.

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Originally Posted by SusanStCatherine (Post 2306539)
My broker told me that I probably cannot switch between Medigap plans (like switching from plan N to plan G) not even within the same Insurer. So basically you are stuck with the plan you pick your first year for the rest of your life. The one exception is leaving medigap to join an Advantage plan at any time. So when you reach Medicare you are thrown back into the preexisting conditions that the ACA was meant to protect. SMH


rustyp 03-05-2024 02:26 PM

I have been enrolled in TVHS for over ten years. I never waited more than 5 minutes in a waiting room for my PCP or lab appointment. Today I escorted my spousal unit for labs at Qwest. We had a pre-booked online appointment. Still had to sit in a waiting room for an hour. To add to our not so satisfying experience there was a guy talking to his grand daughter on a cell phone the entire time which inhibited us from hearing the lab tech announcing the next person. He wasn't the only low life in that waiting room. Also there was literally a video notice on the wall if anyone is rude or obnoxious to other patients they will be asked to leave. I'll stick with TVHS where the facility looks like an upscale hotel and runs like a fine tuned watch.

Question - what do you folks with Medicare and a supplement do for labs ? Was our Qwest experience today abnormal ?


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