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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 550808)

MMS: Error

Sorry, it wouldn't link.

I was trying to link a huge study done in China in 2007 about diabetes becoming more prevalent in the Chinese population. It was an article published in The New England Journal of Medicine which most people hold up as the finest in printing valid medical research.

Gracie:
I just read it. I think it's due to all the American fast food restaurants that infiltrated Asia.........just like we all enjoy Chinese takeout, they have really accepted the western diet, for good or ill........

We all know the junk that is in these fast food products, but sometimes when traveling, even we stop at the golden arches to stretch, etc.

Many years ago we had a lightbulb moment when we saw the movie KING CORN.......high fructose corn syrup IS NOW IN EVERYTHING.......where it never used to be..........you can rent it from Netflix or search for it on Direct TV if you have satellite....

Foods prepared from scratch are still the best for everyone's health.
Processed foods are loaded with unnatural "stuff".

Plot Summary for
King Corn (2007)

King Corn is a feature documentary about two friends, one acre of corn, and the subsidized crop that drives our fast-food nation. In King Corn, Ian Cheney and Curt Ellis, best friends from college on the east coast, move to the heartland to learn where their food comes from. With the help of friendly neighbors, genetically modified seeds, and powerful herbicides, they plant and grow a bumper crop of America's most-productive, most-subsidized grain on one acre of Iowa soil. But when they try to follow their pile of corn into the food system, what they find raises troubling questions about how we eat-and how we farm.

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Originally Posted by Cantwaittoarrive (Post 550814)

You presented the above as if it's fact and didn't express it as "ideas and opinions" tha'st great just present your qualifications to present these fact otherwise clearly state the it's an ideas, opinion.

It is a fact, (not my opinion out of thin air) supported and documented by Dr's Esseltyn, Campbell and Ornish in many books and the movie Forks over Knives.

Read my post again you missed a few points above I think.

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Originally Posted by Cantwaittoarrive (Post 550768)

BABY DEATH BY VEGANISM - 6 Vegan Baby Starvation Cases - Parents convicted of murder - INHS
Baby Breastfed By Vegan Mother Dies
[Severe vitamin B12 deficiency in infants brea... [Ugeskr Laeger. 2009] - PubMed - NCBI
[Developmental delay in breastfed chil... [Ned Tijdschr Geneeskd. 2006] - PubMed - NCBI

Possible higher rates of breast cancer in women
Lessons from dietary studies in Adventists an... [Am J Clin Nutr. 2003] - PubMed - NCBI

Danger caused by vegan diet
Strict vegan, low-calorie diet administered by careg... [Med Law. 2005] - PubMed - NCBI

Answers for non-vegans
Twenty-Two Reasons Not to Go Vegetarian - Weston A Price Foundation
Articles showing benefits
Health effects of vegetarian and vegan diets. [Proc Nutr Soc. 2006] - PubMed - NCBI
Mortality in vegetarians and non-vegetari... [Public Health Nutr. 1998] - PubMed - NCBI

Imagine that the Med and Vegan diet both have benefits how oh how can there be two good diets
Nut consumption, vegetarian diets, ischemic h... [Am J Clin Nutr. 1999] - PubMed - NCBI
Maybe eating meat doesn�t cause cancer, who knows for sure?
Risk of death from cancer and ischaemic heart disease in... [BMJ. 1994] - PubMed - NCBI
I'm done and actual have a life

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Originally Posted by jimbo2012 (Post 550822)

It is a fact, (not my opinion out of thin air) supported and documented by Dr's Esseltyn, Campbell and Ornish in many books and the movie Forks over Knives. Read my post again you missed a few points above I think.

Jimbo's research has led him to draw certain conclusions. Can'tWait's research has led to some very different conclusions. I think one could find a book or movie or study to support almost any conclusion. As a matter of fact, I think I read a study the other day that concluded that people that drink and smoke are jolly good fun.

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Originally Posted by Barefoot (Post 550843)

:agree::beer3:

A reminder to all....

There are many opinions about appropriate diet. Please remember to address the topic and not the poster.

Thank you.

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Originally Posted by Cantwaittoarrive (Post 550768)

First I didn't criticizen you for anything. My coment was not directed towards you or anything you said. If you feel guilty because what you were truely thinking is what I expressed I guess you should own those feeling. I asked you what makes you qualified to give advice. I think if you expect people to follow or listen to your advice, knowing what makes you qualified to give that advice is vital, otherwise you're dangerous and so is anyone else that gives advice on diet and health that isn't qualified to give it. I commented on the results of a study I'm in and for some reason you like to try and discredit anyone that isn't on the same path as you, that's so sad that you would be so insecure. I beleive there might be benefits to several different lifestyles including the vegan lifestyle.

But I stand by my statement that advice from unqualified people is dangerous!!

Any vegan moms PLEASE PLEASE don't breastfied your baby without consulting your doc and a lawyer!

Vegan breast feeding and death

BABY DEATH BY VEGANISM - 6 Vegan Baby Starvation Cases - Parents convicted of murder - INHS
Baby Breastfed By Vegan Mother Dies
[Severe vitamin B12 deficiency in infants brea... [Ugeskr Laeger. 2009] - PubMed - NCBI
[Developmental delay in breastfed chil... [Ned Tijdschr Geneeskd. 2006] - PubMed - NCBI

Possible higher rates of breast cancer in women
Lessons from dietary studies in Adventists an... [Am J Clin Nutr. 2003] - PubMed - NCBI

Danger caused by vegan diet
Strict vegan, low-calorie diet administered by careg... [Med Law. 2005] - PubMed - NCBI

Answers for non-vegans
Twenty-Two Reasons Not to Go Vegetarian - Weston A Price Foundation
Articles showing benefits
Health effects of vegetarian and vegan diets. [Proc Nutr Soc. 2006] - PubMed - NCBI
Mortality in vegetarians and non-vegetari... [Public Health Nutr. 1998] - PubMed - NCBI

Imagine that the Med and Vegan diet both have benefits how oh how can there be two good diets
Nut consumption, vegetarian diets, ischemic h... [Am J Clin Nutr. 1999] - PubMed - NCBI
Maybe eating meat doesn�t cause cancer, who knows for sure?
Risk of death from cancer and ischaemic heart disease in... [BMJ. 1994] - PubMed - NCBI

Have fun I'm sure you will work to discredit each and everyone of these you don't agree with and we can go back and forth trading studies to support whatever position someone wants to but I'm done and actual have a life

The first story is enough for me so I won't waste time reading all of them. In the first story it was said that the parents didn't follow the doctors' advice. The baby was sick and the parents did nothing.

I think it needs to be kept in mind that the statue's of Florida require any one giving out Diet and or nutrition advice has to have a certain level of education and be licensed and partcipate in continuing education. I beleive a few polsters on this and other threads are coming dangerously close to praticing without a license. I also beleive if anyone chooses to follow their advice and is injured they may have grounds for an action. I'm suprised TOTV doesn't require a clear statement by each participate when they post that they are not an expert and not licensed. Here is the link to the requirements

Licensure Requirements - Florida Dietetics & Nutrition Practice Council - Licensure Requirements

Licensing requirements are for dietitians or nutritionists who want to offer their services in exchange for a fee. I, for one, don't call myself a dietitian or a nutritionist and I don't charge a fee. Discussion boards are exempt because they are considered to be opinion based.

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Originally Posted by Villages PL (Post 550935)

Sorry not true

Thread is straying from original topic. Please keep discussion on topic. Another thread can be opened for new topics.

I had been taking fish oil to try to lower my cholesterol and also for inflammation. I have had several orthopedic issues over the years. I stopped taking it a few weeks ago and noticed that my hips have started to hurt. I was told several years ago that eventually I would need new hips and had cortisone shots about eight years ago that helped a lot. I haven't had any trouble since the shots and had been taking fish oil regularly. I'm wondering if stopping the fish oil has to do with this sudden resurgence of hip pain. I'm also taking glucosamine and chondroitin, but recently read that glucosamine is made from shellfish shells. What is De Esslestyn's position on fish oil or glucosamine for inflamation?

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Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr (Post 553629)

Why would you change whats working for you based on what someone on a internet discussion board says. Please talk to someone that knows you like your doctor and work with them for a treatment that's taylored for your exact needs

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Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr (Post 553629)

What is De Esslestyn's position on fish oil or glucosamine for inflamation?

I don't know, I can give you his email to ask him directly.