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Villages PL 03-01-2013 04:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Barefoot (Post 634606)
I think I read somewhere that the Okinawan Elders eat only seaweed. Or maybe I just made that up. :throwtomatoes:
I'm not sure exactly how much seaweed they eat because on my chart they lump dairy and seaweed together as "calcium-rich foods."
Those two together make up 2% of their diet, by weight.

To get a better idea of their total lifestyle, I would suggest you pick up a copy of the book: "The Okinawa Program: How The World's Longest-Lived People Achieve Everlasting Health-And How You Can Too". Ask for the latest edition.

Villages PL 03-01-2013 05:44 PM
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Originally Posted by wendyquat (Post 634648)
To quote a famous person, "What difference does it make now"? Interesting information but I'm not sure, at our age, we would get a lot more longevity by even a severe diet alteration!
There is truth in what you say, but why not make the best of what you have left? If a better lifestyle can boost your immune system you will feel better and be less susceptible to disease. So whatever life you have left will be of better quality. Isn't that worth something?

FMF Doc 03-01-2013 07:06 PM
Health nuts are going to feel stupid someday, lying in hospitals dying of nothing.

Redd Foxx

jimbo2012 03-01-2013 07:30 PM
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Originally Posted by FMF Doc (Post 635081)
Health nuts are going to feel stupid someday, lying in hospitals dying of nothing.

Redd Foxx
Interesting quote, he died of Myocardial infarction

During the rehearsal, he apparently suffered a massive heart attack on the set, which at first was thought to be a joke, with the cast and crew laughing at him. After discovering the reality of the situation and being rushed to the Emergency Room of Hollywood Presbyterian Hospital, Redd Foxx was pronounced dead.

FMF Doc 03-01-2013 07:38 PM
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Originally Posted by jimbo2012 (Post 635092)
Interesting quote, he died of Myocardial infarction

During the rehearsal, he apparently suffered a massive heart attack on the set, which at first was thought to be a joke, with the cast and crew laughing at him. After discovering the reality of the situation and being rushed to the Emergency Room of Hollywood Presbyterian Hospital, Redd Foxx was pronounced dead.
Actually he died that evening.

At least he died of something!

Villages PL 03-02-2013 01:27 PM
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Originally Posted by FMF Doc (Post 635100)
Health nuts are going to feel stupid some day, lying in hospitals dying of nothing. -Red Foxx

At least he died of something!
Frequently, those who die from heart attacks don't have time to feel stupid.

There was a man in the news who lived to be about 115, he purposely practiced a healthy lifestyle and was the oldest man in the world. He was in good health up until about one month before he died. He got pneumonia and was in the hospital for a few weeks before dying.

That's the goal, or should be the goal for those who strive for health and longevity. It has been reported many times that centenarians often die peacefully in their sleep. Their heart just stops.

rubicon 03-02-2013 02:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Villages PL (Post 634465)
There are lots of regions or countries in the world that do better than the Mediterranean. I don't have any statistics on the vegan diet but I can compare the Okinawan diet with Italy, Greece, and the United States. The following was provided by the World Health Organization and Japan Ministry of Health and Welfare....1996.

Death Rates Per 100,000 People For Coronary Heart Disease:

Location:.....................Deaths Per Year............Eating Pattern

Okinawa................................18......... .............East-West fusion

Italy......................................55..... ................Mediterranean

Greece...................................55....... ...............Mediterranean

United States.........................100................ ......American


Stroke:

Okinawa.................................35

Italy.......................................49

Greece....................................109


Cancer:

Okinawa...................................97

Italy.........................................135

Greece......................................109


Deaths From All Causes:

Okinawa...................................335

Italy........................................459

Greece.....................................449

Life expectancy(1996)

Okinawa......................81.2

Italy............................78.3

Greece.........................78.1
Cigar chomping George Burns (January 20, 1896 March 09, 1996) did not ahere to any of the above-stated diets . Latest life expectancy for men in the US is 78 and for women 83> Just think some passengers waved out the dessert cart just before the Titanic went down. Hmmmmmmmmmm (quoted by a famous female journalist whose name escapes me at this moment(Irma Bombeck)

Barefoot 03-02-2013 02:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Villages PL (Post 635480)
... was the oldest man in the world. He was in good health up until about one month before he died. He got pneumonia and was in the hospital for a few weeks before dying. That's the goal, or should be the goal for those who strive for health and longevity.
I applaud those who strive for health and longevity, as long as it isn't the primary reason for existence. Of course, we all want to be healthy. I suppose that dying peacefully in your sleep could be a goal. I'd rather focus on having a meaningful life while I'm on this planet, trying to live the Golden Rule, and having some fun along wth it.

FMF Doc 03-02-2013 02:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Barefoot (Post 635503)
I applaud those who strive for health and longevity, as long as it isn't the primary reason for existence. Of course, we all want to be healthy. I suppose that dying peacefully in your sleep could be a goal. I'd rather focus on having a meaningful life while I'm on this planet, trying to live the Golden Rule, and having some fun along wth it.
:BigApplause::BigApplause::BigApplause::BigApplaus e:

Villages PL 03-02-2013 02:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Barefoot (Post 635503)
I applaud those who strive for health and longevity, as long as it isn't the primary reason for existence. Of course, we all want to be healthy. I suppose that dying peacefully in your sleep could be a goal. I'd rather focus on having a meaningful life while I'm on this planet, trying to live the Golden Rule, and having some fun along wth it.
The man who was the oldest man in the world liked getting into interesting conversations with other residents where he lived. He lived his last years in an assisted living facility. And he liked going for walks. Also, there was a waiting list of people who wanted to talk to him or interview him because he was like a celebrity. I got the impression that he enjoyed keeping his mind and body active.

I can't imagine longevity being the primary reason. Usually, I think it's secondary. First comes a love of live, I would think. And, if you love life, you want more of it.

I had a neighbor many years ago who said she wanted to live to be 100. (She lived in my neighborhood and was the owner/operator of a motel.)
She said she thought she could do it and it seemed to be very important to her. From my perspective, it didn't seem as though she was living a very happy or interesting life. But who knows, you can't tell how a person feels about life just by looking at them or talking with them briefly.

The conversation I had with her was about 18 years ago and she might have been in her late seventies at the time. I think she would be about 96 by now. I sometimes wonder if she's going to make it to 100. And I wonder if old age is everything she thought it would be.

Villages PL 03-02-2013 03:25 PM
Lets get real:
 
I know a man who always said that he didn't want to live to be very old. And he kept saying that well into his old old age. In his early 80s he went for a by-pass operation. Why? I assume he wanted to keep living. It seems that life gets more and more precious as you come closer to the end.

And I wonder, if he could do it all over again, would he trade his poor dietary habits for a healthier old age? He suffers from disabilities now. Does he say to himself, "I remember all the ice cream, apple pies (etc.) I had and it was well worth the suffering I have now"?

I often think that in the end, people, for the most part, get the health they deserve. If people consciously make the choice to enjoy themselves by eating lots of processed junk then we should not feel sorry for them when they get febble and hunched over (etc.) in their older years.

Uptown Girl 03-02-2013 03:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Villages PL (Post 635551)
I know a man who always said that he didn't want to live to be very old. And he kept saying that well into his old old age. In his early 80s he went for a by-pass operation. Why? I assume he wanted to keep living. It seems that life gets more and more precious as you come closer to the end.

And I wonder, if he could do it all over again, would he trade his poor dietary habits for a healthier old age? He suffers from disabilities now. Does he say to himself, "I remember all the ice cream, apple pies (etc.) I had and it was well worth the suffering I have now"?

I often think that in the end, people, for the most part, get the health they deserve. If people consciously make the choice to enjoy themselves by eating lots of processed junk then we should not feel sorry for them when they get febble and hunched over (etc.) in their older years.
So, to quote Yogi Berra, "If the people don't want to come out to the ballpark, nobody's going to stop them." Right?

Villages PL 03-02-2013 03:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Uptown Girl (Post 635561)
So, to quote Yogi Berra, "If the people don't want to come out to the ballpark, nobody's going to stop them." Right?
And:

"I always go to other people's funerals otherwise they won't come to mine."

graciegirl 03-02-2013 03:52 PM
Is it the desire for a long life?

Or a fear of death.

Villages PL 03-02-2013 04:03 PM
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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 635576)
Is it the desire for a long life?

Or a fear of death.
Good question. Perhaps it's a blend of the two. It's only natural to fear the unknown and we naturally want to continue with what we are familiar with. I want to wake up for breakfast tomorrow morning because I enjoy my breakfast routine. I look forward to doing my daily wonder-word puzzle. I look forward to posting on this website. I enjoy going out to eat with my friend. There are so many things to enjoy in life.

What will we enjoy in death? Anything? HELLO!!!


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