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Ben Franklin 09-06-2021 03:49 PM

Someone mentioned it's free. However, it is very expensive, and WE are all paying for it.

My question is - is anyone in the medical profession monitoring this, or does our info come from politicians and/or anecdotal testimonials? Who is keeping the stats?

Villages Kahuna 09-06-2021 04:37 PM

I find it absolutely amazing that people, including our governor, refuse to get a simple almost painless vaccination, but yet willingly consider and recommend the infusion of antibodies with the use of an IV, pumping medicines of unknown origins into your bloodstream for an hour or so. Do people realize that the antigens being recommended are components of serum and red blood cells from other individuals or even animals?

Simply amazing. Sad, but amazing.

NoMoSno 09-06-2021 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Villages Kahuna (Post 1999805)
I find it absolutely amazing that people, including our governor, refuse to get a simple almost painless vaccination, but yet willingly consider and recommend the infusion of antibodies with the use of an IV, pumping medicines of unknown origins into your bloodstream for an hour or so. Do people realize that the antigens being recommended are components of serum and red blood cells from other individuals or even animals?

Simply amazing. Sad, but amazing.

Where did you get your info on DeSantis not being vaccinated?
He was vaccinated last April:
Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis Receives Single-Dose COVID-19 Vaccine – NBC 6 South Florida
Simply amazing and sad people spread false information.

Koapaka 09-06-2021 04:49 PM

Interesting read....For scientists, path to covid endgame remains uncertain

coffeebean 09-06-2021 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Jacob85 (Post 1999662)
The no proof thing is not being honored by Walgreens and CVS pharmacies as they cross examine you and one one occasion someone said they had taken a steroid. They wanted to see the prescription bottle!

IMHO, there is nothing wrong with requiring proof that an individual meets the criteria for the treatment. I would bet there are people who seek the treatment as a prophylaxis treatment.

coffeebean 09-06-2021 05:49 PM

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OrangeBlossomBaby 09-06-2021 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 1999828)
IMHO, there is nothing wrong with requiring proof that an individual meets the criteria for the treatment. I would bet there are people who seek the treatment as a prophylaxis treatment.

There are people who buy horse dewormer from Rural King. of COURSE there are people who seek experimental antibody infusions rather than the FDA-approved vaccine.

biker1 09-06-2021 08:04 PM

So I am guessing that the answer to my question is "no". I had the treatment. They did not require proof of a positive test. I was exposed and that was good enough for the treatment.

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Originally Posted by Mrprez (Post 1999735)
Go up a couple of responses. One said they needed a test and the one right after said no test required. Which is it?

29 and 30.


biker1 09-06-2021 08:07 PM

OK, how much is "many"? Please provide data.

[QUOTE=JSR22;1999744]
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Originally Posted by Chiefhyde (Post 1999681)
Many of the people do not have COVID and are getting the treatments for prevention. They are parking on the side of the theater and entering through the side door not the square entrance. I have dinner res in Brownwood Wed evening.


Mrprez 09-06-2021 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by biker1 (Post 1999860)
So I am guessing that the answer to my question is "no". I had the treatment. They did not require proof of a positive test. I was exposed and that was good enough for the treatment.

That’s what I figured. Good to know what is what.

Bill14564 09-06-2021 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Ben Franklin (Post 1999790)
Someone mentioned it's free. However, it is very expensive, and WE are all paying for it.

My question is - is anyone in the medical profession monitoring this, or does our info come from politicians and/or anecdotal testimonials? Who is keeping the stats?

So if we save money by reducing the number of people getting the treatments my taxes will go down?

biker1 09-06-2021 08:38 PM

I would not recommend that someone get the 4 shot treatment without a compelling reason to do so. Many medicines have side effects. You only want to take medicines when the pros outweigh the cons.

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Originally Posted by Mrprez (Post 1999867)
That’s what I figured. Good to know what is what.


Life as I know it 09-07-2021 04:59 AM

Treatment at the movie theater at Brownwood?
 
It is my understanding that people can go there if they have Covid or have been exposed to someone who has the virus? If so, I don’t understand why it would be allowed at a public square where these same people who go for treatment spill out to the square putting so many other people at the square at risk? Would it not be safer for EVERYONE if this clinic was held at one of the larger Rec centers?
I have no plans to play Russian Roulette by going anywhere near that square. I know it’s my choice, so I will stay away….if businesses are smart, they will start requiring everyone coming in to wear masks because this is not going to stop until we start getting smart. A third variance of COVID-19 is coming to a theater near you…..

elevatorman 09-07-2021 05:53 AM

intravenous infusion is strongly recommended
 
This is from the FDA Fact Sheet
For treatment, intravenous infusion is strongly recommended. Subcutaneous injection is an alternative route of administration when intravenous infusion is not feasible and would lead to delay in treatment.

So I guess it is not feasible to do intravenous infusion?

https://www.fda.gov/media/145611/download

Mrprez 09-07-2021 06:02 AM

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Originally Posted by biker1 (Post 1999874)
I would not recommend that someone get the 4 shot treatment without a compelling reason to do so. Many medicines have side effects. You only want to take medicines when the pros outweigh the cons.

Agreed. For me, at this point, I have zero intention of getting this treatment.

Mrprez 09-07-2021 06:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Life as I know it (Post 1999902)
It is my understanding that people can go there if they have Covid or have been exposed to someone who has the virus? If so, I don’t understand why it would be allowed at a public square where these same people who go for treatment spill out to the square putting so many other people at the square at risk? Would it not be safer for EVERYONE if this clinic was held at one of the larger Rec centers?
I have no plans to play Russian Roulette by going anywhere near that square. I know it’s my choice, so I will stay away….if businesses are smart, they will start requiring everyone coming in to wear masks because this is not going to stop until we start getting smart. A third variance of COVID-19 is coming to a theater near you…..

We have discussed this already. Please read from the read beginning. Nobody is “spilling out onto the square”.

Hiltongrizz11 09-07-2021 06:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Papa_lecki (Post 1999214)
Monoclonal Antibody Therapy | Florida Department of Health COVID-19 Outbreak

Monoclonal antibody treatments can prevent severe illness, hospitalization and death in high-risk patients who have contracted or been exposed to COVID-19. These treatments are widely available in Florida.

* Treatment is free and vaccination status does not matter. If you are 12 years and older and are at high risk for severe illness due to COVID-19, you are eligible for this treatment.
* In clinical trials, monoclonal antibody treatment showed a 70% reduction in hospitalization and death.
* For high-risk patients who have been exposed to someone with COVID19, Regeneron can give you temporary immunity to decrease your odds of catching the infection by over 80%.

Such a thorough answer and yet you don't even answer the question...WHEN can someone go?

They must test positive and or have symptoms!

All those heroics for nothing

Pat2015 09-07-2021 07:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Lindsyburnsy (Post 1999674)
Why doesn’t DeSantis push vaccination and masks to prevent COVID?. Oh wait, does he hv an interest in the monoclonal treatment? Donors, stocks, etc? Asking for a friend.

DeSantis is vaccinated and has pushed people to get vaccinated. He also made it available to people over 65 first who were the hardest hit with COVID when all this started. Please provide quotes where he has told people not to get vaccinated as they don’t exist. Here is a quote from him, “So here’s, I think, the most important thing with the data: if you are vaccinated—fully vaccinated—the chance of you getting seriously ill or dying from COVID is effectively zero,” DeSantis said. “If you look at the people who are being admitted to hospitals, over 95 percent of them are either not fully vaccinated or not vaccinated at all. These vaccines are saving lives. They are reducing mortality.”

Also, how about stopping with the false conspiracy nonsense for a treatment that works! Does Fauci have stock in the company?
“We want people out there, including physicians as well as potential patients, to realize the advantage of this very effective way of treating early infection," Dr. Fauci said. "Clinical trials have demonstrated that early treatment with anti-SARS-CoV-2 monoclonal antibodies can reduce the risk of COVID-19 hospitalization or death by 70 [percent] to 85 percent."

Pat2015 09-07-2021 07:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Ben Franklin (Post 1999790)
Someone mentioned it's free. However, it is very expensive, and WE are all paying for it.

My question is - is anyone in the medical profession monitoring this, or does our info come from politicians and/or anecdotal testimonials? Who is keeping the stats?

If you consider Fauci to be a politician I guess the answer is yes! “We want people out there, including physicians as well as potential patients, to realize the advantage of this very effective way of treating early infection," Dr. Fauci said. "Clinical trials have demonstrated that early treatment with anti-SARS-CoV-2 monoclonal antibodies can reduce the risk of COVID-19 hospitalization or death by 70 [percent] to 85 percent."

Pat2015 09-07-2021 07:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Lindsyburnsy (Post 1999716)
Fortunately all my friends are vaccinated. Desantis’s rollout was so good that Florida’s cases are the highest with so many deaths that there is nowhere to put the bodies. I call that a success.

Florida has done much better than many other states with deaths per capita. Much better to be here than in places like NY, NJ, and 13 other states per the latest data. • U.S. COVID-19 death rate by state | Statista

Bonnevie 09-07-2021 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Patriceunger (Post 1999989)
DeSantis is vaccinated and has pushed people to get vaccinated. He also made it available to people over 65 first who were the hardest hit with COVID when all this started. Please provide quotes where he has told people not to get vaccinated as they don’t exist. Here is a quote from him, “So here’s, I think, the most important thing with the data: if you are vaccinated—fully vaccinated—the chance of you getting seriously ill or dying from COVID is effectively zero,” DeSantis said. “If you look at the people who are being admitted to hospitals, over 95 percent of them are either not fully vaccinated or not vaccinated at all. These vaccines are saving lives. They are reducing mortality.”

Also, how about stopping with the donor conspiracy nonsense for a treatment that works! Does Fauci have stock in the company?
“We want people out there, including physicians as well as potential patients, to realize the advantage of this very effective way of treating early infection," Dr. Fauci said. "Clinical trials have demonstrated that early treatment with anti-SARS-CoV-2 monoclonal antibodies can reduce the risk of COVID-19 hospitalization or death by 70 [percent] to 85 percent."

yes, DeSantis is saying get the vaccine but he's make a huge show of opening the regeneron clinics. so that isn't really reinforcing that the vaccine is necessary. in a way, it's saying you don't have to get the vaccine because he's an alternate. I'm not saying to not have the clinics, but he's hardly beating the drum for vaccination while taking photo ops every time he opens one of these.

Wyseguy 09-07-2021 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Papa_lecki (Post 1999214)
Monoclonal Antibody Therapy | Florida Department of Health COVID-19 Outbreak

Monoclonal antibody treatments can prevent severe illness, hospitalization and death in high-risk patients who have contracted or been exposed to COVID-19. These treatments are widely available in Florida.

* Treatment is free and vaccination status does not matter. If you are 12 years and older and are at high risk for severe illness due to COVID-19, you are eligible for this treatment.
* In clinical trials, monoclonal antibody treatment showed a 70% reduction in hospitalization and death.
* For high-risk patients who have been exposed to someone with COVID19, Regeneron can give you temporary immunity to decrease your odds of catching the infection by over 80%.

Do you need to test positive first. Does it do any good before someone has covid?

Wyseguy 09-07-2021 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Bonnevie (Post 2000012)
yes, DeSantis is saying get the vaccine but he's make a huge show of opening the regeneron clinics. so that isn't really reinforcing that the vaccine is necessary. in a way, it's saying you don't have to get the vaccine because he's an alternate. I'm not saying to not have the clinics, but he's hardly beating the drum for vaccination while taking photo ops every time he opens one of these.

Please stop spreading lies about our Governor. He is vaccinated and asks all who can to get vaccinated. People like me, who have been advised not to get the vaccine, appreciate the governors information on what we can do should we get this covid.

Wyseguy 09-07-2021 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by asianthree (Post 1999220)
Per governor DeSantis direction there is a current standing order in Florida signed by the states surgeon general that allows patients to receive this treatment without a prescription or referral if administered by eligible healthcare provider.
referrals are not required at any state of Florida for monoclonal antibody treatment sites and treatments are available at no cost to patients

God Bless our Governor. I meet with my doctor Friday to discuss this as a go to shoul;d the need arise. It is an option AFTER you show positive, correct? Can you get it; would it do any good prior to being positive?

Wyseguy 09-07-2021 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Hiltongrizz11 (Post 1999538)
You have to have symptoms first!


Are you certain? I also have heard that if you are high risk and have been in contact with someone who tested p[ositiove, you are eligible.

Wyseguy 09-07-2021 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Lindsyburnsy (Post 1999674)
Why doesn’t DeSantis push vaccination and masks to prevent COVID?. Oh wait, does he hv an interest in the monoclonal treatment? Donors, stocks, etc? Asking for a friend.

Stop being so negative and divisive.

Wyseguy 09-07-2021 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Loriana (Post 1999683)
We couldn’t find anywhere that we could get a Covid test to confirm our suspicions that we were positive which is what we needed to get the monoclonal treatments at Brownwood. We ended up going to UFH across from Brownwood to get the Covid test confirmation and the monoclonal treatment. Going early makes a big difference in a speedier recovery. We had been vaccinated which reduced our symptoms. The weakness in the health system, in my opinion, is the initial Covid testing which is difficult to find.

Walgreens and CVS offer home tests. Swab in the nose, fifteen minutes you have the answer. Two tests per pack.

merrymini 09-07-2021 09:00 AM

Even people who are vaccinated get covid, so having a treatment is good. He has been very positive about vaccinations from the get go. This is another way of helping and I appreciate the guy for being truthful and courageous.

Wyseguy 09-07-2021 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Lindsyburnsy (Post 1999716)
Fortunately all my friends are vaccinated. Desantis’s rollout was so good that Florida’s cases are the highest with so many deaths that there is nowhere to put the bodies. I call that a success.

Such a bitter divisive person. I will pray for you.

Wyseguy 09-07-2021 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Villages Kahuna (Post 1999805)
I find it absolutely amazing that people, including our governor, refuse to get a simple almost painless vaccination, but yet willingly consider and recommend the infusion of antibodies with the use of an IV, pumping medicines of unknown origins into your bloodstream for an hour or so. Do people realize that the antigens being recommended are components of serum and red blood cells from other individuals or even animals?

Simply amazing. Sad, but amazing.

I find it simply amazing that some are so willing to spread lies such as the Governor not being vaccinated. Are these people simply dark and divisive, or are they ignorant of the facts? Sad but amazing

Betsysutika5 09-07-2021 09:05 AM

Ok, my concern is the removal of trash, gloves, medical gear, etc from the building....drive over for yourself...go outback in the parking lot. They had a dumpster ( low sides) delivered and sitting out back of the theatre...we watched a fully garbed , masked, person with full gear...they throw the trash out in the dumpster with no lid, torn open bags, etc. of medical waste....we seen the wind blowing the trash, and birds. just wondering if they are disposing of it correctly and safely for the community?

Vermilion Villager 09-07-2021 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by twotogo (Post 1999205)
Does anyone know what the guidelines are for being treated @ Barnstorm Theater with the monoclonal therapy? Do you have to be tested first somewhere else It looks like you have to make an appointment online. Anyone know the facts? Thanks

I read that the monoclonal therapy was created from stem cells from aborted fetuses and the makers of Regeneron appear to confirm this. Hmmm.............:undecided:

Pat2015 09-07-2021 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Bonnevie (Post 2000012)
yes, DeSantis is saying get the vaccine but he's make a huge show of opening the regeneron clinics. so that isn't really reinforcing that the vaccine is necessary. in a way, it's saying you don't have to get the vaccine because he's an alternate. I'm not saying to not have the clinics, but he's hardly beating the drum for vaccination while taking photo ops every time he opens one of these.

That’s simply not true as he has done everything that he could to get the vaccines rolled out here and has strongly encouraged people to get vaccinated. He along with Fauci are pushing for this treatment as it keeps people from getting very sick, ending up in the hospital, and potentially dying.

JSR22 09-07-2021 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Vermilion Villager (Post 2000046)
I read that the monoclonal therapy was created from stem cells from aborted fetuses and the makers of Regeneron appear to confirm this. Hmmm.............:undecided:

The Governor of Texas had this therapy. HAH

Ben Franklin 09-07-2021 10:09 AM

I still don't know if any qualified studies are being done during this state wide sales pitch for regeneron, or if it's all anecdotal. Not talking about the rushed product itself, but is anyone verifying these treatments? And, why are people willing to take regeneron, but not the vaccine? They were both rushed, and both were just fully approved less than a month ago.

jimjamuser 09-07-2021 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by biker1 (Post 1999243)
Walk-ups or online appointments are accepted. According to the people at Barnstorm, the candidates are those with a positive test and those who have been exposed, such as if your spouse has tested positive. No referrals or test results are required. I suspect a lot are breakthrough cases.

A recent study put the risk of hospitalization for VACCINATED people at 1 out of 5,000. For an area like TV Land that has a HIGH percentage of vaccinations the risk is EVEN LESS - 1 out of 10,000. And YES.......I read about this study in the NY Times, which some (MANY) will immediately say, "it's just a commie, lib, radical, hippy type WORTHLESS newspaper. So, there, I saved you the trouble! Ignore this study at your own risk of IGNORANCE.

jimjamuser 09-07-2021 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Luggage (Post 1999506)
We decided against going for the third shot right now even though no documentation is needed as we feel possibly we would take it away from someone who actually needs it right now.

Kudos! That is a very empathetic thing to do. I worry that some people may think that they need a shot every month. That could (?) backfire on them? I hope people are conscientious, but will they be? Or will it be like the rush to buy that horse worming medicine - ivermectin?

Bucco 09-07-2021 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2000103)
A recent study put the risk of hospitalization for VACCINATED people at 1 out of 5,000. For an area like TV Land that has a HIGH percentage of vaccinations the risk is EVEN LESS - 1 out of 10,000. And YES.......I read about this study in the NY Times, which some (MANY) will immediately say, "it's just a commie, lib, radical, hippy type WORTHLESS newspaper. So, there, I saved you the trouble! Ignore this study at your own risk of IGNORANCE.

IN actual fact, the Times reported that the risk of hospitalization for vaccinated at 1 per 100.000

And while I know that YOU do not need it, and find it …whatever….

“The rate of hospitalization among the vaccinated was 1 per 100,000 people. The age-adjusted hospitalization rate in unvaccinated persons was 29.4 per 100,000.”

And forgive me for attaching a link to that..

What Vaccinated People Need to Know About Breakthrough Infections - The New York Times

And on the comment about the New York Times, which is understand you are not making, but repeating……

I have asked and asked for folks to show me proof of what they say about The NY Times……..never get any.

The assault on the Times has an pretty easy source if you are interested, and it always, the attacks, when someone does not like REAL FACTUAL news……I assume that most are smart enough to know i am not speaking to editorial comment, but reporting of news.

And the adjectives you used, which are pretty accurate go back many years and were always proven worthless then and still are. File it under…..”not really wanting truth but more interested in being made feel good” OR even “articles are too long and full of news”. BOTH of which I have read on this forum.

Sorry for supplying a link and a quote…….but you know some people do not tell the truth or bend it quite a bit.

jimjamuser 09-07-2021 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by biker1 (Post 1999565)
No. You are a candidate for the injections if you have tested positive or you have been exposed. You do not need to show proof of either.

There IS a very stringent test - a person MUST demonstrate the ability to walk and chew gum at the same time. This is, of course, a JOKE! But, it is funny because it is rather close to the REAL requirements. Please refer back to # 76

jimjamuser 09-07-2021 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Lindsyburnsy (Post 1999674)
Why doesn’t DeSantis push vaccination and masks to prevent COVID?. Oh wait, does he hv an interest in the monoclonal treatment? Donors, stocks, etc? Asking for a friend.

I DID hear that, also.


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