Hey, they've already dug their hole halfway to China, they've proven that their brain consists of two neurons held together by a spirochete, why wouldn't they just continue? After all, they haven't figured out that we're not laughing with them, we're laughing at them.

"Spirochete"?

I now wonder how many are now feverishly Googling that word... :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

Sooooo, the term "doctor" must be bestowed by golfing eagle or it doesn't exist. Your such an authority, definitely sarcasm. There are 10,000 patients in NC that called my husband doctor and were delighted with the results, removing the back pain, he NEVER "practiced" medicine, because he was a CHIROPRACTOR and a damn good one.

No, it actually has to be bestowed by an accredited college of medicine, despite your lame jab. And if you had actually read my posts you would have seen that I frequently referred patients to chiropractors, when indicated. The message I was conveying is that NO ONE SHOULD EVER see a chiropractor first, bad things can happen. Even your husband felt better(or should have) when treating a patient who had been diagnosed first. Look, sometimes chiropractic works, but chiropractors have neither the tools or education to diagnose medical problems--in fact I've never heard a "chiropractic diagnosis" that was anything other than "a subluxation of a vertebral body". It's not his fault, it's just that chiropractors don't do the same thing as medical doctors. Unfortunately, many in the public tend to conflate the two professions when they are no where even close to equal. And I don't think the chiropractic community is all that eager to dispel that myth either. Hence, you may consider my posts as a public service announcement.

It is so hard to have a discussion when you have to respond to people saying you said things when it is clear to an average reader that I said the exact opposite. I said Denigrating an entire profession due to screwups while ignoring the same in your own profession…That clearly states that I was saying they were NOT the same profession.

It’s Always YMMV. Took 5 different chiropractors to find one that provided permanent relief. Most treat symptoms and not the underlying cause.

No need to endlessly debate credentials. If one isn’t satisfactory try another. If they want to fill up a card run away

I reread your post and you did separate the two professions. My mistake. However, I was not talking about screwups in my post. Of course, in any profession, mistakes happen. Misrepresenting yourself as a medical doctor when you are not, is not a screw-up. It is a blatant lie. One that I find atrocious since a person's life is at risk. A person should have a complete understanding of what a chiropractor can and cannot do.

It is not hypocritical to educate people of the difference between a medical doctor and a chiropractor. Because it saves lives, I would argue that is part of a medical doctor's job. I would much rather hear the truth and not have my body realigned or whatever, and told everything will be fine. When just by looking at me one can obviously see medical attention is needed. But that's just it! A chiropractor has no medical training and may not recognize when a patient is in need of a medical doctor's attention.

I would expect a chiropractor to refuse treatment until I received a medical diagnosis. I am not in the medical field, but I can easily understand treating someone who has not been medically diagnosed can lead to unnecessary complications or death. Even a layperson knows, when in doubt, it is best to call 911.

I see no relevance to any of this. What may have happened to someone else is only applicable to that person. Go or don’t go. Every experience is individual. It’s as much an art as science. A good chiropractor previously mentioned provided immense personal relief. One more for the ignore list

Am I supposed to be insulted? We can all agree to disagree. Or, one can read an entire thread before posting. Or, one can just race to the ignore button. The choice is everyone's to make.

I am not a psychiatrist, but I think I might be detecting some narcissism.
The post to which someone replies was not in response to a post they made. It was at the end of the thread. But yet someone assumed it MUST be them the person's comment was about. It is quite possible the world does not revolve around a single person...but not positive.

My post included the words I, we, and everyone. If I did have narcissistic tendencies, I would have used I, I, and I. I am not a psychiatrist, either. I guess I will have to consult one. Thank you for your concern. I especially am thankful you recommended a psychiatrist, who is a medical doctor. I may have gone to a psychologist who is not.

And I was not addressing my point to your post. You even stated that you knew I was talking to someone else, but..

Golfing Eagles posted "First of all, the term "good chiropractor" is an oxymoron."
In previous posts, he had stated it was as a result of a horrible situation that he handled after a chiropractor bungled it.
So the thread of my argument since people are having problems with that is:

GE denigrates the entire chiropractic profession repeatedly across multiple threads and offers the horrible case as support.
I ask if there are any cases in his profession of medical malpractice. (we all know there are many horrible cases). And if there are (just like his chiropractor example) then should we denigrate the entire medical profession? and lest anyone think I believe we should, I stated no, bad apples and tragic cases with good apples.

For those needing a diagram of the logic:
if a horrible case in one profession condemns the entire profession, then that logic should follow for the other profession too. And I asserted to disagree with that is hypocritical.
But, I was trying to make it clear that I thought such a blanket condemnation based on a (or several) case(s) is wrong.

Please point out the fallacy in that (and not the fallacy in the statements I never made).

Agree. Please point out the case where a chiropractor misrepresented themselves as a medical doctor. It hasn't been mentioned in any post that I have seen yet. I know of no personal examples. Most chiropractors I have seen have went out of their way to say they were not part of the medical establishment. So, you are just stating that for what reason?

Again, what is your point? I agree educating people of the difference between a medical doctor and a chiropractor is not hypocritical. Did I or anyone else say it was? It's like you picked a word out of my clearly stated point, and applied it to some other statement to which I never applied it and now want to argue with me about my point (that I never made!!!)
Reread my argument made above. I think a medical doctor OBJECTIVELY explaining the differences between the two professions is great, and then adding and clearly marking as opinion his opinion of the profession is fine. Stating as fact that there are no good chiropractors is a disservice to the community and reflects quite poorly on him (in my opinion).

That I am assuming is referencing your friend's case. But from your own post...

So, you never saw her. You have NO IDEA what she looked like. You talked to her on the phone. When you asked her if she was feeling this way when she first went to the chiropractor, she said yes. But you immediately took her to the emergency room and she was near death. If she was in the exact same condition one week later, how near death was she? Or, significantly more likely, she was near death when you took her to the ER, but a week earlier when she went to the chiropractor she was nowhere near as bad and her condition deteriorated over the week (since that kind of how illnes works.) And the chiropractor never saw her in the same condition that you did because you took her to the ER instead. Do you know the chiropractor would not have seen the same thing you saw and sent her to the ER?


Now to get to the part about your posts that I think are hypocritical.

From your post
When someone points out that they have a Masters Degree in Political Science and that others debating with them are "outgunned" and should back down and take their points as correct, despite all the incorrect statements made and false logic, but then states clearly that they have no medical background and have never even been to a chiropractor but continually weighs in on the topic of chiropractic, despite being outgunned, that would be hypocritical. Just so I am clear, I think you have every right to weigh in on this topic, just like everyone else does. JUST LIKE EVERYONE ELSE DOES ON TOPICS YOU THINK YOU ARE THE EXPERT IN.

How about a "real Physician" ie Orthopedic Surgeon?

Find out what is really the problem and let the Doc refer follow up treatment.

Good advice.Get a medical diagnosis.

Kind of unfair to direct this to you, you are just the most recent post, but...

I went all the way back to the original post. Do any of us know if this was the first occurence of the hip pain for the OP's wife? He never stated. She might have had Xrays, MRIs, and seen multiple doctors with no real diagnosis or relief. And (possibly)at their other home, a chiropractor has provided relief.

So, how about,

If this is a new hip pain situation or you haven't sought out the help of a medical doctor, you should probably do that first. If you have already done that and are still looking for the recommendation of a good chiropractor...
(a) I have had great results with......
(b) I can't help you with a recommendation