Originally Posted by frayedends (Post 2284329)

I reversed my Type 2 pre-diabetes. I corrected my hypertension. I corrected my high cholesterol. All from keto/carnivore diet. When life expectency was 33 they didn't die from heart disease. They got eaten by lions and died from infections, or other non cardiac events.

Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2284046)

You mean you are really wearing a mask? Fair enough, judgement of stupid withheld 😂😂😂

Originally Posted by BrianL99 (Post 2284084)

This Covid thing is awesome. I haven't heard of a case of the Flu, in over 3 years.

Originally Posted by Whitley (Post 2284335)

Rich, my business partner died at 58. Never had a heart issue prior to the covid shots and every booster that came out. He was fanatical about being first in line to get every shot available. Cardiologist saw some previously undiagnosed issue and scheduled him for an outpatient test. His wife was out of state so I went with him to the hosp. He never came out. Not alive. Saying "stay safe avoid the shot" would be as dishonest as saying "stay safe everyone get the shot". Take your specific variables into account and make your own choice.

Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2284366)

Actually, I would add a comment that maybe a young person with ZERO debilitating conditions need not wear a mask in public. But, for older people that are not perfectly healthy (that want to continue living) they may choose to wear a mask when indoors around a crowd. On an aircraft with recirculating air seems to be especially dangerous, and boat cruises. And Florida is particularly bad because people from up north coming here can be carrying illness. And, personally, I think that if 80% of the people had gotten the last shot instead of a FRUSTRATINGLY low of 5%, then we might have finished off Covid. Instead, for all we know, it could change to a stronger variety. I wonder if other countries had greater than the US's 5% buy-in to receiving the latest shot?

Originally Posted by bsloan1960 (Post 2284102)

Huh? We know 2 people who died. They were on vents for a month then suffocated. I worked in a hospital and watched many die. I've cared for patients with every outbreak of the Flu and a few would die- but Covid killed millions. Do you even understand that you have NO real world experience to base your opinion on? It is an opinion only spun up in the web of your head by allowing in only information that suited your agenda. There is a real world out there, with people who are on the front lines. They are the ones who have the facts- not conspiracy theorist waving signs. What would it hurt to ask for facts from people who work hands on with this disease? Why is it so important to you to believe and tell a lie?

Originally Posted by Harold.wiser (Post 2284109)

How about those Lions?!

Originally Posted by Cindyd (Post 2284145)

Yes, people died of covid, but let's look at data. As a percentage of pop, Covid deaths were .03% of US population. Under age 40, as a percent of pop under 40, covid deaths were 0%. Yet, we locked kids out of schools for months/years? Healthy pro0le, who obviously had immunity, lost their jobs? Yes, every life is precious, but it's important to look at facts vs hysteria.

COVID-19 deaths by age U.S. 2023 | Statista

Originally Posted by Velvet (Post 2284301)

Well of course you did! How do you know if you have Covid if you do not get tested? Also it is recommended to start treatment as early as possible for it to be most effective. So you did the most logical thing. Now for people who do not believe in Covid or think it was made up by big Pharma in the first place, I understand that they can’t see why you did it.

Originally Posted by Susan1717 (Post 2284184)

I have life long friends who have been heading a medical research in CA after a career heading a chicago hospital. They warned all their personal friends to walk out of a hospital at all cost if they tried to put you on a ventilator. They knew way ahead this was a deadly ending. My heart goes out to all that lost loved ones on ventilators. The medical leaders who knew were threatened with losing their funding and ruined careers if went public. I have never had a flu shot and will never get a vaccine. It’s been 20+ years since I’ve had the flu. Maybe I’m lucky and focus on my immune system? I had Covid once and quickly got on ivermectin before they made it impossible to get. All I can say is, for me, it worked like a charm and my symptoms were gone in 5 days. I feel strongly the world did more damage by shutting things down. Both economically, mentally, and all the people that died who were not allowed medical care for other things that were needed.

Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2284197)

I was going to pass, but there is so much misinformation in that post that I feel compelled to set the record straight.

First of all, your "lifelong friends who have been heading medical research in CA after a career heading a Chicago hospital." cannot possibly believe what was posted about mechanical ventilation. Why invent it in the first place? And nobody's life was ever saved by ventilatory support? Everyone put on a respirator dies??? What a load of nonsense. Now, in all fairness, once a person is sick enough to require a ventilator, their prognosis has taken a nosedive anyway. End stage type 2 COPD (so called blue bloaters) often survive multiple intubations, type 1 (pink puffers) almost always succumb. Bottom line, survivability of a period of mechanical ventilation is highly dependent on the reason for intubation and the underlying condition of the patient. IT IS FAR FROM 100% FATAL.

Second, COVID symptoms that "were gone in 5 days" probably had nothing to do with the snake oil (I mean ivermectin) that was taken, they most likely would have resolved on their own like most cases of COVID.

Thirdly, go ahead and don't take any vaccines. But realize you are getting the same preventative medical care for infectious disease as the residents of Europe circa 1342.

Lastly, I have to agree that shutting down the world economies was detrimental and far from the solution. Let's hope our officials never lead us down that road again.

Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2284384)

Interesting, I feel 180 degrees different than that.

Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2284385)

It is hard to prove a negative, but for all we know shutting down various things and requiring masks MAY HAVE save 200,000 Americans. It certainly saved some.

Originally Posted by ithos (Post 2284365)

Your anecdotal claim is almost worthless just like every other person who espouses an opinion about a particular diet. That is why they do studies.

From the Journal of Cardiovascular Development and Disease
To conclude that animal-product-rich diets are healthy or efficacious in treating CVD would be erroneous based on the aforementioned literature. Additionally, animal-product-rich diets tend to impair vascular function [43,44], increase LDL cholesterol and inflammation compared to an isocaloric unprocessed high-carbohydrate diet [45], and reduce myocardial blood flow compared to a plant-based diet, which had the opposite effect [46]. The Impacts of Animal-Based Diets in Cardiovascular Disease Development: A Cellular and Physiological Overview - PMC

There are truckloads of research validating the long term benefit of whole food plant based diets. Virtually none for the carnivore diet other than short term . But perhaps you can prove me wrong by going to pubmed.gov and finding it.

Watch this debate https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1qDYl4zHmAg where Nina Teicholz (author of The Big Fat Surprise) is destroyed by research. She has virtually no valid credible scientific studies to back it up, just like Atkins.