[Villages PL]

Gary Null's book, "Death By Medicine" was the combined effort of 4 doctors, 3 of which are MDs. Being that Stephen Barrett was said to discredit Gary Null, I think it's only fair to look at some news concerning Stephen Barrett.

http://www.anh-europe.org/news/quack...aves-home-town

Anyone who takes the time to read the whole link is going to be amazed.

[graciegirl]

Gary Null


www.goodreads.com

• Gary Michael Null is an American talk radio host and author who advocates for alternative medicine and naturopathy and who produces a line of dietary supplements. His views on health and nutrition are at odds with scientific consensus…
  Gary Michael Null is an American talk radio host and author who advocates for alternative medicine and naturopathy and who produces a line of dietary supplements. His views on health and nutrition are at odds with scientific consensus; Stephen Barrett, co-founder of the National Council Against Health Fraud, described Null as "one of the nation's leading promoters of dubious treatment for serious disease".
• en.wikipedia.org· Text under CC-BY-SA license

• Born: 1945 · Parkersburg, West Virginia
• Education: Union Institute & University · Thomas Edison State College

Timeline

1979: In the 1979-80, he co-authored a series of articles on cancer research for Penthouse, entitled The Politics of Cancer beginning with one entitled "The Great Cancer Fraud."

1985: In 1985, Null began writing a lengthy series of reports for Penthouse entitled "Medical Genocide".

1999: His videos have been aired by PBS during pledge drives, but have since been banned, which in 1999, lead to a surge in sales of Null's books and for record fundraising for the stations.



This is an OLD book VPL. Science changes by the second these days.

[Villages PL]

Gary Null's book was authored by 4 doctors and has a copyright date of 2010. That's not old. Statistics don't come out every year. The CDC's statistics (2010?) don't come out every year either. You haven't been able to discredit anything in his book. You have only provided some mud-slinging by Stephen Barrett. And now we see that Stephen Barrett, according to the article, has been working as a shake-down artist, suing close to 40 doctors and asking for $100,000 settlements.

So, again, you have nothing concrete, all you have is an attempt by Stephen Barrett to discredit him.

[graciegirl]

You always say....follow the money, or some version of that. He sells stuff. M.D.s aren't supposed to be in retail.

At least the one's I trust aren't.

[Barefoot]

Originally Posted by Villages PL

His book was authored by 4 doctors and has a copyright date of 2010. That's not old. Statistics don't come out every year. The CDC's statistics (2010?) don't come out every year either.

I'm curious why you don't find the CDC's statistics more believable than a book with a catchy title written for profit.

[Villages PL]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

You always say....follow the money, or some version of that. He sells stuff. M.D.s aren't supposed to be in retail.

At least the one's I trust aren't.

Yes, I don't like it when books appear to be written for the purpose of making sales of food items or other "health" items. That's because what they are selling may keep them from telling the truth about what it takes to be healthy.

However, never having read anything by him other than "Death By Medicine", I can only judge him by this book. And I'm judging it on its own merits: 1) It appears to be well documented 2) It's authored by 4 doctors 3) There are no items offered for sale.

[CFrance]

Originally Posted by Villages PL

Yes, I don't like it when books appear to be written for the purpose of making sales of food items or other "health" items. That's because what they are selling may keep them from telling the truth about what it takes to be healthy.

However, never having read anything by him other than "Death By Medicine", I can only judge him by this book. And I'm judging it on its own merits: 1) It appears to be well documented 2) It's authored by 4 doctors 3) There are no items offered for sale.

Huh? I wouldn't judge anyone one way or the other, only having read one thing written by that person.

[KayakerNC]

Originally Posted by Villages PL

Gary Null's book was authored by 4 doctors and has a copyright date of 2010. That's not old. Statistics don't come out every year. The CDC's statistics (2010?) don't come out every year either. You haven't been able to discredit anything in his book. You have only provided some mud-slinging by Stephen Barrett. And now we see that Stephen Barrett, according to the article, has been working as a shake-down artist, suing close to 40 doctors and asking for $100,000 settlements.

So, again, you have nothing concrete, all you have is an attempt by Stephen Barrett to discredit him.

Your promotion of a book by a Medical Huckster out for profit is lame.

"On his radio show, and in books and self-produced movies, Null criticizes the medical community, promotes a range of alternative cancer treatments, denies that HIV causes AIDS, and promotes dietary supplements which he produces."
Gary Null - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[Villages PL]

Originally Posted by Barefoot

I'm curious why you don't find the CDC's statistics more believable than a book with a catchy title written for profit.

I would have explained it sooner if I had been given the chance. The statistics in his book don't necessarily disagree with CDC statistics, as far as I can tell.

As far as profit: Those who head the CDC probably make far more money than Gary Null. Should we discredit CDC doctors for making a lot of money ? "Center for Disease Control" is an impressive title too. So what?

Are you against "catchy" titles? If you write a really good book and nobody reads it because it has a dull title, what good it that? It wouldn't be very smart of the authors if they go through a lot of trouble and no one buys the book.

Is a book written for profit a bad thing necessarily? And in this case they have to split the money between 4 doctors. How about our personal physicians. Don't they make a profit off of every office visit? Is that bad?
Can we believe them when they say we need to come back for a follow-up exam?

[Barefoot]

Originally Posted by Villages PL

However, never having read anything by him other than "Death By Medicine", I can only judge him by this book.

By googling Gary Null's name, you can easily see that he went on to write 30 controversial books and market a variety of supplemental products.
Doesn't that make you doubt his authenticity?

[Villages PL]

Originally Posted by KayakerNC

Your promotion of a book by a Medical Huckster out for profit is lame.

"On his radio show, and in books and self-produced movies, Null criticizes the medical community, promotes a range of alternative cancer treatments, denies that HIV causes AIDS, and promotes dietary supplements which he produces."
Gary Null - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It seems you're acting as though he wrote the book by himself in order to discredit the book. And taking statements of his out of context is all too easy. How is that any different than what Stephen Barrett was doing? Mud slinging. You haven't even waited to see the breakdown of statistics that the 4 authors provide.

[dbussone]

Originally Posted by Villages PL

I would have explained it sooner if I had been given the chance. The statistics in his book don't necessarily disagree with CDC statistics, as far as I can tell.

As far as profit: Those who head the CDC probably make far more money than Gary Null. Should we discredit CDC doctors for making a lot of money ? "Center for Disease Control" is an impressive title too. So what?

Are you against "catchy" titles? If you write a really good book and nobody reads it because it has a dull title, what good it that? It wouldn't be very smart of the authors if they go through a lot of trouble and no one buys the book.

Is a book written for profit a bad thing necessarily? And in this case they have to split the money between 4 doctors. How about our personal physicians. Don't they make a profit off of every office visit? Is that bad?
Can we believe them when they say we need to come back for a follow-up exam?

It's "Centers" for Disease Control, a government agency, which is part of HHS. I doubt the physicians who work for CDC, NIH, or other similar agencies make a boatload of cash. Since they are government employees you can look up how much they are paid

[Barefoot]

Originally Posted by KayakerNC

Your promotion of a book by a Medical Huckster out for profit is lame. "On his radio show, and in books and self-produced movies, Null criticizes the medical community, promotes a range of alternative cancer treatments, denies that HIV causes AIDS, and promotes dietary supplements which he produces."
Gary Null - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Now that we have the internet and google, it's easy to see Null's history, his outrageous statements, and that he basically makes his money by writing controversial books targeting the medical community.
And of course he also sells supplemental products.
I wouldn't believe anything written by an author with his credentials.

[Villages PL]

Originally Posted by CFrance

Huh? I wouldn't judge anyone one way or the other, only having read one thing written by that person.

Am I the only one that you're holding to a higher standard? Am I the only one that must read more than one book before judging?

Suppose I first read one book by him alone and I don't like it. Then I read, "Death By Medicine" by him and 3 MDs and I like it. What does that mean? One was good and one was bad, but not written by the same authors. What am I suppose to think?

[Villages PL]

Originally Posted by dbussone

It's "Centers" for Disease Control, a government agency, which is part of HHS. I doubt the physicians who work for CDC, NIH, or other similar agencies make a boatload of cash. Since they are government employees you can look up how much they are paid

How does it compare with 4 doctors dividing the proceeds of one book? They are certainly not going to make a boatload of cash on one book.

Why would a competent doctor head the CDC if not to make a good salary? Just for the fun of it?