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Villages PL 05-23-2013 10:56 AM
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Originally Posted by rubicon (Post 680291)
villages PL: IMHO when folks reference "moderation in all things"they are referring to a way of living over a life time. The above-stated explanation you offer seems to me to be some short term explanation. Ex.. it doesn't mean I count how many pieces of pizza I had this week vis a vis another week, month etc.
But if I was trying to figure out how to do it, your explanation wouldn't help. You mean you keep track of the number of pizzas over a lifetime? Or maybe you mean that you just don't keep track at all because you tend to forget over a long period period of time. Your explanation leaves me more confused than before.

Someone needs to write another health book titled: "How to Achieve Great Health, Weight Control and Happiness Through Moderation of Food Consumption and Exercise: At last, an athoritative guide book for those who don't understand how moderation works." :loco:

Golfingnut 05-23-2013 11:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Villages PL (Post 680753)
But if I was trying to figure out how to do it, your explanation wouldn't help. You mean you keep track of the number of pizzas over a lifetime? Or maybe you mean that you just don't keep track at all because you tend to forget over a long period period of time. Your explanation leaves me more confused than before.

Someone needs to write another health book titled: "How to Achieve Great Health, Weight Control and Happiness Through Moderation of Food Consumption and Exercise: At last, an athoritative guide book for those who don't understand how moderation works." :loco:
Your right again VP. You summed up in a short post what this Link talks about.

What Does Eat In Moderation Mean? | LIVESTRONG.COM

Polar Bear 05-23-2013 11:05 AM
I think "all things in moderation" is a reasonable way to live a reasonably healthy life...unless of course you spend too much time trying to figure out what moderation is. :sigh:

golf4me 05-23-2013 11:08 AM
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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 680596)
I think Golfingnut that you MAY have got into this discussion, one of many...

when the credits were rolling.

In order to understand the point of view of any poster you need to read all of their prior posts.

VP is very sincere and I am sure well meaning.
You say that but I don't think you agree with VPs diet. I think your diplomacy made golfingnut miss your point.. In fact you have disagreed with VPs diet many times.

Completely plant based with a teaspoon or so of fat is very hard to maintain over time. I would call it an extreme diet.

Golfingnut 05-23-2013 11:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Polar Bear (Post 680758)
I think "all things in moderation" is a reasonable way to live a reasonably healthy life...unless of course you spend too much time trying to figure out what moderation is. :sigh:
LOL Great assessment of the sitceeashun. :jester:

By the way is that a small mouth bass in your avatar

Villages PL 05-23-2013 02:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Golfingnut (Post 680757)
Your right again VP. You summed up in a short post what this Link talks about.

What Does Eat In Moderation Mean? | LIVESTRONG.COM
Thanks for the link. It talks about quality (nutrient dense) foods that are consumed in moderation so as not to gain weight. I like that part. But I don't agree with some of the food choices, like milk and meat. And there were no suggestions as to what an ideal weight might be (BMI).

The part about nutrient dense foods was very important because I don't think people on this board mean the same thing when they say, "all things in moderation". When they say, "all things" I take them at their word. All things means: Cakes, pies, cookies, donuts, ice cream, soft drinks, pizza, lasagna, french fries, hamburgers, hot dogs, chicken pot pie, and many other processed foods.

Villages PL 05-23-2013 02:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Polar Bear (Post 680758)
I think "all things in moderation" is a reasonable way to live a reasonably healthy life...unless of course you spend too much time trying to figure out what moderation is. :sigh:
If you're satisfied with moderate health and a moderate lifespan that's your choice. I love life and expect to have the best health and live a long long life.

Polar Bear 05-23-2013 05:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Villages PL (Post 680858)
If you're satisfied with moderate health and a moderate lifespan that's your choice. I love life and expect to have the best health and live a long long life.
Really?!? You're equating moderate health and a moderate lifespan" with a philosophy of all-things-in-moderation? Really? I mean...REALLY??!!?? :1rotfl:

Polar Bear 05-23-2013 05:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Golfingnut (Post 680768)
...By the way is that a small mouth bass in your avatar
Actually it's a small (but feisty!!) large-mouth bass. :^)

Villages PL 05-23-2013 06:10 PM
I'm going to give myself some credit:
 
I started this thread on 5/21/13 and this is part of what I said in my opening post:

"Medical doctors won't cure you by prescribing drugs to cover up symptoms. It's all up to you and the foods you put in your mouth. You have to work for good health. You have to earn it."

Yesterday, (on 5/22/13) doctor Joe Hildner, chief medical officer of The Villages Health, was quoted in the Daily Sun as saying the following. He said he doesn't manage diseases - his patients do, and he shows them how. He said the clinics won't treat diabetes, heart disease and high blood pressure etc.. The patients will be taught how to do it themselves.

This is what I have been saying all along that needs to be done. Now it's official because it has the stamp of approval from The Villages Health. But saying it is one thing and actually doing it is another. Let's wait and see how effective they are at following through.

Barefoot 05-24-2013 10:09 AM
It's not all about nutrition. Having a social network of supportive friends also contributes to a long and happy life. And this has been statistically proven. Even the love of a pet will help reduce blood pressure. I personally believe that living a life filled with zest and joy helps the immune system to fight disease.

janmcn 05-24-2013 10:54 AM
A recent newspaper article about a centenarian birthday party in Sun City, attended by about 20 some celebrants, asked the age old question to one 101 year old man. What advice do you have to live a long life? His reply "I can't give any advice since I still smoke and drink" he said as he climbed in his car and drove away. This guy, in my opinion, will eventually die with a big smile on his face.


http://www.tampabay.com/news/humanin...member/2111580


Notice how few men are in the photo.

Cantwaittoarrive 05-24-2013 02:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Villages PL (Post 679634)
Whether it's cancer, heart disease, diabetes or a host of other degenerative diseases, no intervention works better than cutting back on calories. That's why, for example, Okinawans have only 6 breast cancer deaths per one hundred thousand people while Americans have 33. Prostate, 4 deaths vs. 28

This means eliminating high calorie processed foods. These are the foods that cause disease and eventually kill people.

This has been well documented with numerous studies that began in the 1930s.

Medical doctors won't cure you by prescribing drugs to cover up symptoms. It's all up to you and what foods you put in your mouth. Therefore, the best health care system in the world can't magically bestow good health upon their patients. You have to work for good health. You have to earn it. That's why I have always said that, when it comes to degenerative diseases, people usually get the health they are qualified for.

Do you know of any health strategy that's better than the one I outlined above?
I won't even get into all of the misrepresentations in your post I will just make an observation on your title. Your title is not accurate, you say "disease prevention" and then go on to state "Okinawans have only 6 breast cancer deaths per one hundred thousand people " that's not prevention, it may be reduction but it's certainly not prevention.

skyc6 05-24-2013 07:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Golfingnut (Post 680636)
MY MY MY. If you would take the time to read my post, you will see this line in it I also say thank you to Villages PL for a fine informative thread and I for one agree with you totally.
What part of that makes you think I missed VP's point. I got and I agree with it. It appears that you may been sleepy when you read mine. Also, keep in mind that if a post is OFF TOPIC, Admin will delete it. Please allow the moderators to do their job.
If you reread Gracie's post, she suggested you may need to go back and read all of Village PL's posts, in order to understand the true perspective, not just the current one.
We are in reruns here.

CarolynEliz 05-24-2013 08:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Barefoot (Post 681173)
It's not all about nutrition. Having a social network of supportive friends also contributes to a long and happy life. And this has been statistically proven. Even the love of a pet will help reduce blood pressure. I personally believe that living a life filled with zest and joy helps the immune system to fight disease.
You are right on target, Barefoot! Great advice!


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