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Rosebud1949 02-04-2021 10:56 AM
Yes NACHOMAMA I totally agree with that statement. First responders, those in public view who serve us are first. We can wait, trouble is waiting is not a normal thing here

jimjamuser 02-04-2021 11:10 AM
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Originally Posted by NachoMama (Post 1897063)
Why would a 66 year old retiree go before a 58 year old nurse, or a 49 year old physical therapist, or the firefighter who might have to give you CPR?
Because the 66 plus-year-old is more likely to become positive. The more people are positive, the more become hospitalized and overcrowd the hospitals. They run up huge bills that can NEVER be paid by the individuals. Plus some die. All this does is destabilize healthcare and its financial base. It eventually adversely affects all of society.

And what of the virus? With many positive over 65 cases, the virus has an increased environment to duplicate in - and mutate. Summary........there really is a case to be made for vaccinating the over 65 age group early. The same could be said for the over 75 which, I believe was the original intent of the CDC. But, state Governors decided that they knew better than the Science experts at the CDC. What a surprise, who knew?

newgirl 02-04-2021 11:28 AM
They don't have the option's that most have. Most are below poverty and if they do not pick/ process food then we would have more starving. Then there is the science that darker skinned folks are dying at a much higher rate.....Yes, the strawberry pickers along with everyone in fields and factories should come before you to heal this country.
Do you really believe your life is more valuable? Why?
Do you wear a mask? Stay home, take all precautions? Thank God you have those options.

john352 02-04-2021 11:51 AM
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Originally Posted by kathyspear (Post 1897049)
Forms that ask for race/ethnicity usually have a "DECLINE TO ANSWER" option. I noticed that the forms I printed out for my 2nd Pfizer shot in Lake County do not have such an option. I usually check DECLINE, not because I care if people know my race but because that info is being collected at the request of the feds and I don't think like that the govt collects such info and connects everything to race.

The vax form does allow you to check UNKNOWN if you don't know your race. I wonder how many people select that box.

kathy
Many times in the news there have been stories about how people in Black and Hispanic communities have a higher rate of deaths due to COVID. These communities have a history of being underserved by the medical industry. The federal government has a responsibility to ensure “equal protection”; therefore, it is reasonable for them to collect data one the number of Whites, Blacks, and Hispanics are being vaccinated.

coffeebean 02-04-2021 01:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Guitarman1951 (Post 1897168)
Why would you say something like that. That is totally untrue and you know it.
Please quote the person you are directing your comments to. I have no idea who you are replying to here. Who "knows it"?????

coffeebean 02-04-2021 01:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Clark124 (Post 1897213)
I went to lake Square mall , they kept insisting I give my mothers maiden name , I said no way that's the number one security question in the world I said NO. After going back and forth with this person he finally relented.
Gee, I thought "What is the name of your first pet" is the number one security question. Just kidding.

Skip 02-04-2021 01:41 PM
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Originally Posted by msilagy (Post 1897120)
You are a bitter sounding selfish person.....why? because you are not 1st in line at Winn Dixie!
OP here...
I did not say I agreed or disagreed with Winn Dixie's eligibility requirements. I only pointed out the huge difference between the governor's "Seniors First" policy and what Winn Dixie is stating when you want to get the vaccine from them.

As for the waiver, it is clearly a Winn Dixie document with their logos on it. You hold them harmless by signing it. As far as I know, correct me if you signed a similar legal document when you got YOUR shot, no other location (including Publix) makes you sign a waiver and ASKS FOR YOUR SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBER on the form. That is an identity theft problem just waiting to happen.

As for collecting racial data, the goverment doesn't require it, and I feel that THAT DATA can be collected AFTER you react to the virus (like being hospitalized or dying) or reacting to the vaccine (like headache or stroke), not BEFORE.

I am not a selfish person. Never said I wanted to be first in line. And you don't know if I am a senior OR middle aged worker who has already been struck by the virus and luckily survived.

Please don't shoot the messenger.

Skip

FromNY 02-04-2021 01:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Skip (Post 1897016)
Winn Dixie will start taking online COVID vaccine appointments next week. They seem to have different eligibility requirements. According to their published rules, healthcare personnel, pharmacists, dentists and therapists, like your shrink, plus long term care facility residents have FIRST PRIORITY over ordinary seniors.

Then firefighters, police, food workers, like strawberry pickers, postal workers, grocery clerks and stock boys, public transit workers, like UBER drivers?, and teachers, plus people 75 and over that are at HIGH RISK OF ILLNESS AND DEATH from COVID are SECOND PRIORITY.

Now here's the kicker... Then truck drivers, food service people like waiters and waitresses and burger flippers, construction workers, like carpenters, people in finance, like your broker or banker, IT people, like the moderators of this website, people in communications, like telephone operators and car warranty scammers on the phone, people in the law profession, like your lawyer, media personal like reporters, photographers, pressmen and, I guess, newspaper delivery people, public safety people, like crossing guards and public health officials, plus people aged 16 and over who have risk of LIFE THREATENING COMPLICATIONS from COVID are considered THIRD PRIORITY.

So I guess if you are not sick or considered "high risk" but just old, you CAN NOT get a vaccine shot at Winn Dixie.

Oh, plus before I get my shot at Winn Dixie, I have to sign a waiver and sign my rights away if Winn Dixie screws up giving me the vaccine. AND I must reveal my race on that form. <Any lawyers out there that want to comment on that requirement?

So much for "Seniors First"!

Skip
About time some one is offering to the people who have to go to work! Those people are who can easily spread the virus.

Aloha1 02-04-2021 04:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Villages Kahuna (Post 1897132)
Sounds like most of the requirements follow the CDC guidelines. That’s unlike the simple “just be over 65” guidelines set by Governor Desantis.
The rest of the story is the Feds guidelines are recommendations only. They specifically say State guidelines take precedence. Therefore, 65 + first and 2nd shots held in reserve here in FL. Right on!

Velvet 02-04-2021 04:28 PM
First, save lives, then control the spread. The humanitarian thing to do, in my opinion.

jimjamuser 02-04-2021 05:49 PM
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Originally Posted by newgirl (Post 1897333)
They don't have the option's that most have. Most are below poverty and if they do not pick/ process food then we would have more starving. Then there is the science that darker skinned folks are dying at a much higher rate.....Yes, the strawberry pickers along with everyone in fields and factories should come before you to heal this country.
Do you really believe your life is more valuable? Why?
Do you wear a mask? Stay home, take all precautions? Thank God you have those options.
We would not necessarily have less food or other goods or services. That would stay the same because of demand staying constant. The rich owners would have to pay a livable wage to their workers. The owners would just get less profit and they would have less wealth to brag about at their country clubs. Also, the owners would have to invest capital in machines to pick, distribute, and control goods and services that way. It would take change, which requires work and imagination.

Topspinmo 02-04-2021 06:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Skip (Post 1897016)
Winn Dixie will start taking online COVID vaccine appointments next week. They seem to have different eligibility requirements. According to their published rules, healthcare personnel, pharmacists, dentists and therapists, like your shrink, plus long term care facility residents have FIRST PRIORITY over ordinary seniors.

Then firefighters, police, food workers, like strawberry pickers, postal workers, grocery clerks and stock boys, public transit workers, like UBER drivers?, and teachers, plus people 75 and over that are at HIGH RISK OF ILLNESS AND DEATH from COVID are SECOND PRIORITY.

Now here's the kicker... Then truck drivers, food service people like waiters and waitresses and burger flippers, construction workers, like carpenters, people in finance, like your broker or banker, IT people, like the moderators of this website, people in communications, like telephone operators and car warranty scammers on the phone, people in the law profession, like your lawyer, media personal like reporters, photographers, pressmen and, I guess, newspaper delivery people, public safety people, like crossing guards and public health officials, plus people aged 16 and over who have risk of LIFE THREATENING COMPLICATIONS from COVID are considered THIRD PRIORITY.

So I guess if you are not sick or considered "high risk" but just old, you CAN NOT get a vaccine shot at Winn Dixie.

Oh, plus before I get my shot at Winn Dixie, I have to sign a waiver and sign my rights away if Winn Dixie screws up giving me the vaccine. AND I must reveal my race on that form. <Any lawyers out there that want to comment on that requirement?

So much for "Seniors First"!

Skip

Personally I don’t like anything from Winn Dixie.

jimjamuser 02-04-2021 06:07 PM
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Originally Posted by FromNY (Post 1897405)
About time some one is offering to the people who have to go to work! Those people are who can easily spread the virus.
Lots of people can have different opinions as to what group should go 1st or early - but, only the CDC has the medical and scientific experts that work FULL-TIME to come up with guidelines. Those guidelines should be followed.

Topspinmo 02-04-2021 06:11 PM
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Originally Posted by ckbenjamin (Post 1897071)
If it means my children could go back to work safely, they could have my place in line (if I could even get in line, that is.) As things are now I figure it'll be a minimum of a year before they can get vaccinated. This country and more specifically my children and their spouses need to get back to work.
What about my children? Me, me, and mine first right?

asianthree 02-04-2021 08:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr (Post 1897156)
Would you place young healthy people that have to work ahead of people over the age of 65 with health issues.

Most of the deaths are of people senior citizens with underlying conditions. The chances of younger people dying from Covid-19 is very low.

I say stop the death toll before stopping spreading of the virus.
Those who work are exposed everyday, do you know if they are positive, NO, do they know they are positive, No, or Yes, and if so will probably continue to work, to put food on their table.
Enter your age group, who gets a paycheck and has the choice to not be exposed to anyone, unless they choose to, who doesn’t have to worry about their children going hungry. I worked for over 5 months during the initial start, was it had to see a 80yo with previous health issues die, sure.

Was it harder to see the 35yo with 4 kids die, yes 100 times harder. But I am guessing you would think different. Most of the loss we experienced was under 50, but I didn’t sit in front of my television, I chose to return to work to do the most good. Media, and real time is two different views.

But no worries on the younger healthcare gens taking your vaccine spot, many have said no.


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