You misunderstood my post. :ohdear:

Walmart Masks
 

This hoax was not perpetrated by any political group. It is the Scalawags' Society that seeks to inspire mask wearing as common place, socially acceptable attire. Then, scalawags and ne'er-do-wells, following a robbery or other crime can easily blend into the crowd.
Sadly we come to realize not everyone wearing a mask will turn-out to be the Lone Ranger.

Ohiobuckeye
 

Sorry, no I understood what you were trying to say, I just got carried away with my own idea's about the virus, sorry. I should of just stuck with your question!

...because "these are bad things happening, and most of them can be minimized by taking equally minimal, but important, precautions" is too much work.

Right. Some of the masks I have seen worn won’t filter out a virus. They are micron sized and even Hepa filters do not work 100% of the time on viruses. Even with an N95 the odds that you or even health care workers will get it 100% sealed and pretty small. But health care workers see a lot of people some of whom will have the virus, and some of the workers will get the virus anyway so the mask helps the, from spreading it if they aren’t aware they have it right away. We have a choice, minimizing contact and washing hands correctly will do far more than any mask, IMHO.

Mask or no Mask..
 

All 3 of my Doctors told me the exact same thing, unless I have the flu, NO MASK.. Over the last few weeks I've knocked down popcorn texture mudded and sanded 20 gallons of drywall mud on my job so I've worn a mask pretty much the entire time I'm at work.. Last week one of my painters missed 4 days with the flu and this week I missed 3 days with the flu, WTH where did I catch it? Home to work, work to home an empty house zero contact with ANYONE..... that makes no sense.. at least until the owners came by to drop off some paper work and the wife apologized for not stopping by to see us for awhile she was out sick with the flu and only came by when no one was there. hahahaha The flu is like death when it wants ya it's gonna get ya no matter how careful you are.. Kinda like the guy awhile back in Fla. that was reading from the safe confines of his bed when a sink hole swallowed him up.. Keep you hands sterile and in your pockets... with your fingers crossed..

The Chinese/Koreans/Japanese/Asians/Health Care providers wear them so they do not look like someone from the Villages......

I'm wearing a coffee filter with masking tape.




Masking tape.............:MOJE_whot:

On his show tonight, Tucker Carlson reported that the Government has been lying to us about masks being useless in protecting us against the Coronavirus. I always suspected it.

You DO realize that a "surgical mask" is sufficient when patients are required to undergo invasive procedures under sterile conditions, correct???? NO, not as effective as N-95 (when available) but historically used when the patient is surgical and invasive procedures leave them most at risk for nosocomial infections????

This is my layman's thought process about masks.

We have been told to wear standard masks (because most citizens don't have access to the others) only if we have symptoms, in order to protect others. If an inexpensive mask is recommended to help prevent the spread of the virus when we cough or sneeze, it makes sense to me that wearing one will similarly help prevent me from being infected by others. Emphases on HELP prevent. Even if it's only a little, why not.

Another factor for me personally is an autoimmune disease that affects my lungs and causes a dry cough. I rarely leave the house but I've had to be out a few times this month and don't want any people who see and hear me coughing to start putting tree trunks across my driveway.

Best post I have seen. Forget the masks and just stay home and wash your hands.

There have been some positive reports on the creative and entrepreneurial spirit as more and more individuals are finding ways to manufacture the stuff that's needed. There was a report last night on a surgeon who took the "blanket" that covers the surgical instruments in the operating room and wondered if he could breath through it. Hmmmm.....he could. Today individual seamstress's are making them and a major company is now looking at it for mass production. The American spirit continues to fight

Meanwhile Wuhan (all use face mask) are recovering from virus. Must be a good idea.

I like masks! I think they can be quite stylish and keep away bad breath and people from spitting and you have to take them off to smoke. So even under “normal” circumstances they could be a good idea. Also I find people keep thinking I’m a lot younger when I wear a mask. :)

Oh great, lets all listen to the talking heads on the network of your choice and believe what they say so we can all be safe. Lets not listen to doctors or science, what the heck do they know.

I just saw Dana Perino intervew Dr. William Haseltine, former Harvard Medical School professor. He said it is a good idea for anyone to wear a mask when going out, and that he just ordered some masks.

When and how to use masks

He said that if you are infected or sick or experiencing symptoms it protects other people around you, it will also have a spacing impact by making you aware of people around you so you can keep your distance and if you touch something it may prevent you from touching your face. He also said that there is a psychological impact, it may make you calmer and feel safer. He did not say it would prevent you from getting it but it would help change behavior, make you feel better and give you an awareness which should keep you safer. Most of what I read is that the cloth masks will not seal so if someone coughs or sneezes near you it will find the gaps.

Basically, I agree that is what he said. But, it is very contrary to what other doctors have been saying for the past month or so. In fact, some are saying that the mask will have a negative psychological impact by creating a false sense of security. Obviously, nothing is going to totally prevent you from getting or spreading the virus. But, when you can spread the disease when you don't even have symptoms, wearing a mask will surely have some preventive effect on giving it to someone else. And, it will be a reminder to yourself to not touch your face. Also, the doctor told Dana Perino that he had ordered masks for his own use.

The issue of masks has been discussed in other threads. I posted a few studies on use of simple surgical masks vs N95 masks vs no masks before.

To summarize there have very few studies studying utility of masks. One from China showed no benefit to a simple surgical mask in a hospital setting. The N95 masks did work

A study from Canada in hospital nurses had both N95 and simple surgical masks equally effective or equally ineffective. There was no control group to see what the rate with no mask might have been.

Lastly a study from Australia where there was a sick child with flu like illness in the home. Some were given no mask, some a simple surgical mask, some an N95 mask with no specific fitting and the rate of the adults becoming ill was compared. The wearing of any mask was calculated to reduce contagion by 60-80% with no difference in success with either mask over the other. There are lots of imperfections in this study including this was intense exposure, poor compliance with keeping the mask on, and exposure to the sick child before entry into the study. But there was clear evidence that a simple mask in an intense exposure was much better than nothing.

I could not find any studies on wearing a mask in a community setting. But it makes sense to me that some barrier is better than no barrier. Whether the barrier works by keeping droplets from being inhaled or just as a reminder to not touch your face, or scares strangers away from you, whatever the mechanism. When the CDC says there is no evidence that wearing a mask will protect you from Covid in a community setting, that is 100% true. However the reverse is also true. There is no evidence that it won't help.

The CDC is correctly trying to advise on evidence of what does help.. hand washing, proven, avoid touching your face, strongly suggestive proof based on mode of entry, spacing based on knowledge of droplet mechanics. Mask.. no evidence or weak and contrary studies. But those who say it can't hurt, other than depriving medical personnel of PPE [a big point not to be ignored] have some merit in their argument.

There are studies, and there is common sense.

So if there were a well designed study and the findings were the opposite of that which you might define as common sense, which would you believe? It was common sense that the earth was flat, that the sun went around the earth, that the stars and the planets effected our lives, that the devil caused epilepsy, that drawing blood cured illnesses, that white people were better than black or brown or yellow or red people. I know which I'd use to make my decisions when the two are in conflict.

I agree. But, as an engineer, I trust that buildings are designed for safety. But, whenever I step into an elevator, I always look to see if there is a floor to step onto. To me, that is common sense.

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I knew keeping our WW2 gas masks would pay off one day!
Still have the three of them.
Problem is the filters have broken down, and you can't breath in them!

I agree 100% with your post. I like most of us understand our medical professionals have to have them first because they work but please don’t tell if the General public wore N95 masks it would not have a positive effect on flattening curve. We plain ass got caught flat footed and can’t come up with the PPE for ordinary citizens so must rely on the near complete shutdown of economy.

How do you know for certain that everyone there uses a face mask? If you believe that because the Chinese government said it, I have some bridge property on I75 and I4 that I will let go real cheap.

A few days ago there was a post on this forum of a Youtube by the head South Korean doctor who specializes in fighting virus such as Coronavirus. I suggest anyone who has doubts of the efficiency of face masks should look at this Youtube. The only reason the Pense task force was not recommending face masks was because there weren't any masks available for the general population
On the issue of selling bridges are you having any luck..oh and by the way do you have any TP going cheap.:MOJE_whot:

See graph for info on how S Korea is doing vs the world

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This has been posted before. Fauci equivilant in S Korea.

Hear what he has to say about the use and impact of masks:

https://www.talkofthevillages.com/fo...erpart-304737/