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Jazzman 12-12-2020 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by La lamy (Post 1872390)
Good for you for knowing what many may not have been aware of with this virus. What is new is that the protocol was to be 6 feet apart to be safe from transmission, but this article makes us aware that indoor air may be full of aerosol Covid particles, so 6 feet apart is not necessarily safe.

So next we will hear that for 100 days we should wear a mask 24x7 regardless of where you are.

Jazzman 12-12-2020 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 1872600)
South Korea would be MUCH more likely than the US to have RELIABLE information - because they reacted WAY better to the CV Plague than did the US. They started EARLY with mitigation techniques. Basically they took it seriously and did not IGNORE it. Then, they were able to CONTACT TRACE, which did NOT work in the US because we did NOT take CV seriously early on. CV has been out of control here since June. Incidentally, the reason for South Korea's success is that their citizens trust the information from their leaders who have SUPPLIED a CONSISTENT message about CV. And South Korea has endured and SUCCESSFULLY fought (with mask mandates) PRIOR similar Plagues. They had history on THEIR side. The US did NOT! In fact, we have a history of non-cooperation between states. Don't believe it? Today we have some states talking about seceding from the Union. Red and blue states had opposite attitudes toward CV. That, all told, is the reason for South Korea's CV information and contact tracing being superior to the GREAT US of A.

Contact tracing let’s the government know who you’ve been in contact with and your whereabouts. You’re okay with that ?

jimjamuser 12-12-2020 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Northwoods (Post 1872355)
I know people want to believe that if you golf you're outdoors so you won't catch COVID. I know of at least 3 people who golf and do nothing else... no lunch... no drinks... no other social interaction, yet they all got COVID. Their only interaction was golf. Just be aware...

That post was a very good health care message and warning. Don't dance with the CV Devil!

donassaid 12-12-2020 11:47 AM

Let me guess. They were both wearing masks and face shields too.

Two Bills 12-12-2020 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Jazzman (Post 1872614)
Contact tracing let’s the government know who you’ve been in contact with and your whereabouts. You’re okay with that ?

....and you don't think that if for some obscure reason the government were interested in you, they would not be able to trace your movements?
Every time you log onto a device, you can be traced.
As for cell phones, you leave a path wherever you go!

jimjamuser 12-12-2020 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by stanley (Post 1872368)
I dissagree. Golf here is not as big of a "money maker" as some people think

If it is true what you say about Golf NOT being a moneymaker ( which I doubt because it is the reason that so many people move to TV Land), then Golf should be stopped in its tracks and par 3s put in because the LARGE courses are bad for the environment (fertilizer runoff and chemical poisoning of birds and turtles, also humans somewhat) and more forest areas could be substituted for the Golf.

of course, I don't believe that anything like that can happen in MY lifetime because MAN is determined to kill off as many plant and animal species as HUMANLY (ha, ha) possible until EVEN MANKIND is at the brink. You go......brothers and sisters.........pollute away!!!!!

jimjamuser 12-12-2020 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Two Bills (Post 1872377)
So what's new?
If our grandkids had a cold, and entered our house with it, I for one would catch it 90% of the time.
Given the right conditions, any airborne virus, will spread easier in an enlosed space, than outside.
This report is just another way to dramatise the news.

Or MAYBE (?) sound a warning knell that ALL humans should hear and take ACTION on!

jimjamuser 12-12-2020 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Mrmean58 (Post 1872383)
I read the article and am still suspicious. It's not like there are some teen agers don't create attention.

And what was that old expression. " you can lead a horse to water, but you................etc" ?

joelfmi 12-12-2020 12:10 PM

yes you can get covid 19 indoors that when you are have social interaction even if you are indoors 20 feet you must were a N95 mask to be sure especially when the AC unit is on recirculating and moving air and air droplets. also change your AC filter to high efficiency one very offend and make sure have high power blower motor to be sure that air is being filter properly.

jimjamuser 12-12-2020 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 1872396)
Sorry, but I read the article and it "proves" absolutely nothing. It is a "one-off" case study with no controls, no redundancy, and not even proof the student contacted COVID at that restaurant. It's scientific value is ZERO

Maybe - but as a message of WARNING to the good people of TV Land, if La Lamy were to save ONE person in TV Land who takes that message seriously and MANDATES his-or-her-selves to stay AWAY from any indoor building containing people - then that warning is GOLDEN to them. And La Lamy is GOLDEN for CARING enough about her NEIGHBORS to pass USEFUL information on to them, which COULD save their lives! You go Golden Lady.......forget the naysayers - who MAYBE(?) right in the letter of medical science (who knows) BUT is again missing the forest (of CV death and callous DOWNPLAYING) for the details and smugly assuming the intellectual high ground.

jimjamuser 12-12-2020 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Cheapbas (Post 1872397)
A study has been made public stating droplets can travel over 20 feet, even outdoors. So yeah, the article seems reasonable and doesn’t scream fake news as you imply in your rush to judgement. Since their handling of the containment of the virus far exceeds ours, I wouldn’t be so dismissive of news originating from there.

Spot on. Good information in a tight package.

Worldseries27 12-12-2020 12:22 PM

Let's call an audible
 
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Originally Posted by banjobob (Post 1872486)
the fear mongering it continues, scientific facts prove the virus is only serious on people over 70 years with underlying health issues. The vast majority of those infected have minor headache loss of taste and smell
for few days. Facts are 99.9 % of those contracting it do not die, 95.7% of those over 70 years of age survive.

thanks for the facts man just the facts. The rest of the chicken 🐔 littles can drive themselves insane with the minutiae of non verifiable covid spreading horror stories.
Now i can resume my search for the holy grail.

NoMoSno 12-12-2020 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by joelfmi (Post 1872631)
yes you can get covid 19 indoors that when you are have social interaction even if you are indoors 20 feet you must were a N95 mask to be sure especially when the AC unit is on recirculating and moving air and air droplets. also change your AC filter to high efficiency one very offend and make sure have high power blower motor to be sure that air is being filter properly.

You would also need sealed eye goggles since you can contract it through the eyes.

graciegirl 12-12-2020 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 1872632)
Maybe - but as a message of WARNING to the good people of TV Land, if La Lamy were to save ONE person in TV Land who takes that message seriously and MANDATES his-or-her-selves to stay AWAY from any indoor building containing people - then that warning is GOLDEN to them. And La Lamy is GOLDEN for CARING enough about her NEIGHBORS to pass USEFUL information on to them, which COULD save their lives! You go Golden Lady.......forget the naysayers - who MAYBE(?) right in the letter of medical science (who knows) BUT is again missing the forest (of CV death and callous DOWNPLAYING) for the details and smugly assuming the intellectual high ground.

It only makes people angry and sick at heart to be preached to. People's minds will not likely be changed and certainly not by someone talking down to them. I am sure most mean well and are not selfish. If we each were self responsible which I truly believe most villagers are, than we could hopefully keep ourselves and others safe. I notice again the rise in deaths in Sumter County in the past ten days is not as great as the rest of Florida and the world. I think we know why. Most of us are trying to do the right thing.

The vaccine is coming. I urge all to get both doses and to wait until our body responds and builds immunity and then we can go out into the world again.

Byte1 12-12-2020 12:32 PM

On the other hand, I have neighbors and family that all visit without masks and NONE of us have become infected. Or, have we? Perhaps, we have all been infected and recovered with no evidence of infection and now have anti-bodies protecting us. We have been visiting and eating out for months, with no one/NO ONE showing symptoms. And in my 70's, I am still the youngest of the group, other than our children that have visited, and stayed for several days.
Foolish or just pragmatic about the situation? I understand the dangers, but I am not paralyzed with fear of living my life as normal as possible. Yes, I still wear a mask in places posted, wash my hands frequently and stay my distance. I can not speak for the rest of the clan.
I believe that FEAR is just as debilitating as most of the infection stories we have been hearing. Call me a fool if you wish, but it is not this person that is worried about silly stories about some child telling stories in an effort to attain some attention, or fearing the real truth that her boyfriend probably snuck in the window and brought the virus with him. Who knows, perhaps it is true that she visited with a friend for five minutes and that friend coughed and used the door handle when leaving and the girl closed the door behind her when she left and did not wash her hands. Who cares? If this story throws you into a panic, what does it say about folks that can't handle life's obstacles because of fear?
Once the vaccine is released, I have no intention of wearing that useless mask anymore. After all, if you are immunized from the virus, you won't be able to worry about whether or not I am infected.

jimjamuser 12-12-2020 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by cindyfeh (Post 1872410)
The CDC came out with a COVID 19 Brief on October 5th saying this same thing. Airborne particles can remain in the air for hours and spread over six feet. Look it up. That’s why our recreation centers should require masks.

If it were up to me ALL REC centers would have locks on their doors with a sign, "WILL NOT OPEN FOR HEALTH REASONS UNTIL AFTER THE CV PANDEMIC IS OVER" ! And while I am at it - all INDOOR churches would be closed. All non-essential business would be closed. All Squares would be closed and deserted.

And before anyone blames me for thinking this way, remember that I did NOT ignore the CV Plague and allow it to metastasize into a raging inferno in the US (preventing contact tracing) And does anyone else notice the INCREASED helicopter flights away from TV Land hospitals......maybe just a coincidence? And notice that Sweden's ICUs are 99% filled today?

toeser 12-12-2020 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by sentry (Post 1872324)
Do you really believe something from South Korea?

Yes. South Korea has been one of the best countries in the world for controlling COVID.

loufromnewjersey 12-12-2020 12:40 PM

Yes and I have a bridge in Brooklyn for sale

Byte1 12-12-2020 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by toeser (Post 1872645)
Yes. South Korea has been one of the best countries in the world for controlling COVID.

If SK was so great, they wouldn't need us to protect them, would they?

I keep hearing on here about tiny little countries handling the virus so well, compared to the U.S. In my opinion, we have handled it very well. If not for Warp Speed the whole world would be waiting years for a vaccine. And please remember that we have states larger than some of the countries that everyone seems to applaud.

jimjamuser 12-12-2020 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by jimchristie (Post 1872461)
Given that study and the fact that practically no one wear masks, or distance themselves, at the City Fire bar & inside the square dancing to music shoulder to shoulder, it's no wonder the Villages daily infections have sky rocketed.

Wonder why the helicopters are moving patients to other hospitals? Recently I hear many more flights.

KRM0614 12-12-2020 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by sentry (Post 1872324)
Do you really believe something from South Korea?

Exactly all of these dumb sites are on smart news which is a rag ! Everything is suspect

KRM0614 12-12-2020 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by La lamy (Post 1872338)
Yes. Did you even read the article or do you always assume asian news from a well established news source is fake. :ohdear:

Yes it is not accurate ! Why worry people more ?

KRM0614 12-12-2020 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Topspinmo (Post 1872366)
We new little about COVID back in February.

No one knew much and we still don’t !

La lamy 12-12-2020 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by rlcooper70 (Post 1872473)
We have known for many months that anyone sitting within forty feet of an infected person .... with air flow over the infected person blowing toward the second person .... is likely to get it. The transmission depends on the amount of time of exposure. This may be a new awareness ... it is not new news.

Agreed. But since the rate of infection is still outrageous, I thought people needed to be reminded.

La lamy 12-12-2020 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by banjobob (Post 1872486)
The fear mongering it continues, scientific facts prove the virus is only serious on people over 70 years with underlying health issues. The vast majority of those infected have minor headache loss of taste and smell
for few days. Facts are 99.9 % of those contracting it do not die, 95.7% of those over 70 years of age survive.

Not meant to create more fear, just more precaution for those who need to.

jimjamuser 12-12-2020 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by wamley (Post 1872476)
May not be a big money maker, but it sure is a big money loser if you have no income from all these golf courses that require a great deal of maintenance even when their shut down. However I am a golfer and believe it is safer then eating out in the CC that are attached to the Golf course and many other activities. We have to live among a great number of threats to our lives. This is another and we need to be careful. Just ask those that ride bikes in TV

Yes, it IS true that "life has risks". But, the point is to ask yourself, " does my state and country care as much about me as does another country, such as Germany, Finland, Australia, or South Korea?" Does my state care enough about me to mandate the wearing of masks? Are seatbelts and speed bumps helpful in saving lives. Should we have governments making laws for citizen health or should anarchy and "cowboy mentality" lead us?

jimjamuser 12-12-2020 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by banjobob (Post 1872486)
The fear mongering it continues, scientific facts prove the virus is only serious on people over 70 years with underlying health issues. The vast majority of those infected have minor headache loss of taste and smell
for few days. Facts are 99.9 % of those contracting it do not die, 95.7% of those over 70 years of age survive.

How many inaccuracies? Let me count the ways..........or NOT......waste my time?

ithos 12-12-2020 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 1872600)
South Korea would be MUCH more likely than the US to have RELIABLE information - because they reacted WAY better to the CV Plague than did the US. They started EARLY with mitigation techniques. Basically they took it seriously and did not IGNORE it. Then, they were able to CONTACT TRACE, which did NOT work in the US because we did NOT take CV seriously early on. CV has been out of control here since June. Incidentally, the reason for South Korea's success is that their citizens trust the information from their leaders who have SUPPLIED a CONSISTENT message about CV. And South Korea has endured and SUCCESSFULLY fought (with mask mandates) PRIOR similar Plagues. They had history on THEIR side. The US did NOT! In fact, we have a history of non-cooperation between states. Don't believe it? Today we have some states talking about seceding from the Union. Red and blue states had opposite attitudes toward CV. That, all told, is the reason for South Korea's CV information and contact tracing being superior to the GREAT US of A.

Maybe this is the reason South Korea fared so well.

Last month, the Korea Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, the Korean Society of Infectious Diseases, Korean Society for Antimicrobial Therapy, Korean Society of Pediatric Infectious Diseases and a tuberculosis association recommended the use of Kaletra, an anti-HIV medication, in combination with HCQ, to treat Covid-19.


Hydroxychloroquine used by Korea for Covid-19 while US is divided | Christina Lin | The Blogs

KRM0614 12-12-2020 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by stanley (Post 1872368)
I dissagree. Golf here is not as big of a "money maker" as some people think

That is simply not true. It’s not fees collected it’s the ancillary revenue. It’s the online booking, clothes, equipment, food, booze etc

Pairadocs 12-12-2020 01:45 PM

Be cautious but....
 
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Originally Posted by La lamy (Post 1872290)
This is sobering. This Covid virus is crazy good at transmitting itself, way more than previously expected.

A teen got COVID-19 from a woman who stood 20 feet away for 5 minutes - Business Insider

Be cautious of course, but also be SURE you verify a "click bait" story from South Korea about a high school student you don't even know (probably) and, did he live ? like hundreds here in The V's, perhaps he had it and is now immune ? How can YOU be absolutely SURE this student could ONLY have gotten this in an indoor "space".... at 20th feet.... use your own God given intelligence about trusting and verifying before posting. Some people will be intimidated, needlessly, over this type of "click bait" for those whose attention they can get on the internet. Not a "denier", but neither am I going to ignore my education, especially related to biology, microbes, viruses, etc. and just plain "common sense".... which is getting less "common" everyday ! ?

jimjamuser 12-12-2020 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Jazzman (Post 1872614)
Contact tracing let’s the government know who you’ve been in contact with and your whereabouts. You’re okay with that ?

THAT is another fake news conspiracy theory talking. Please try HARD to avoid propaganda. It can melt your brain and lead the US to becoming a Dictatorship. I KNOW that you do NOT want that!

Byte1 12-12-2020 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 1872690)
It does NOT really matter what I think about the US standing vs other countries - or even your opinion. There are world lists that you can just Google that rank all countries on a whole matrix of qualities. I do know that most people would be wrong to believe that the US is higher than the UK on "upward mobility". WE are behind the UK at about #11. We are about 30th on many other qualities. I think that in some cases that we are ahead of Czechoslovakia, but still far back of the 1st world pack. But, thank you for your question. I hope this clears it up!

Sure, and I can find stats that will tell me anything I want to hear. Of course, I have a stake in my country and appreciate it. It's a shame that other folks refuse to acknowledge what a great thing and blessing they have here and keep looking over the fence to see what others have and are never satisfied with being the BEST.

jimjamuser 12-12-2020 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1872640)
It only makes people angry and sick at heart to be preached to. People's minds will not likely be changed and certainly not by someone talking down to them. I am sure most mean well and are not selfish. If we each were self responsible which I truly believe most villagers are, than we could hopefully keep ourselves and others safe. I notice again the rise in deaths in Sumter County in the past ten days is not as great as the rest of Florida and the world. I think we know why. Most of us are trying to do the right thing.

The vaccine is coming. I urge all to get both doses and to wait until our body responds and builds immunity and then we can go out into the world again.

I think that you, yourself are TRYING to do the right thing toward your neighbors. I did not start out preaching, but I found so much bad information and hardened opinions in the posts that it was like a vacuum that needed filling. I was not the best to do that, but it needed to be done. So, I HAVE gotten preachy - now whether that is effective or not - we will never know.

When you say, " I urge you to get a 2nd shot", are NOT you being preachy? Yet that is GOOD advice so everyone should accept it (even if it is obvious and that there is no purpose in getting the Pfizer vaccine without taking the 2nd dose). And remember that Pfizer is only the 1st vaccine (maybe NOT the most successful). I bought stock in JNJ for their vaccine, which is based on a different system than either the Pfizer or Moderno vaccine.

Incidentally, before everyone starts celebrating like it is 1999 - please Google Pulitizer Prize winner Lori Garrett's book "The Coming Pandemic", which was written about 4 years before the current CV and correctly predicted it. Her recent comments say that Pfizer and Moderno can NOT manufacture the numbers of vaccine that they currently say that they can ( due to a shortage of raw material because it is also used in testing for CV, so therefore scarce! I believe that the JNJ vaccine (coming before the FDA in January) does NOT have that problem? But. I welcome other learned opinions on that.

jimjamuser 12-12-2020 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Byte1 (Post 1872650)
If SK was so great, they wouldn't need us to protect them, would they?

I keep hearing on here about tiny little countries handling the virus so well, compared to the U.S. In my opinion, we have handled it very well. If not for Warp Speed the whole world would be waiting years for a vaccine. And please remember that we have states larger than some of the countries that everyone seems to applaud.

Why would large populations and "might make right"?

jimjamuser 12-12-2020 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by La lamy (Post 1872664)
Agreed. But since the rate of infection is still outrageous, I thought people needed to be reminded.

You did the right thing! No need to apologize.

Byte1 12-12-2020 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 1872708)
Why would large populations and "might make right"?

I'd answer your question IF I knew what you were saying. Could you use your edit button and perhaps simplify your thought for us lower educated?

jimjamuser 12-12-2020 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by ithos (Post 1872674)
Maybe this is the reason South Korea fared so well.

Last month, the Korea Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, the Korean Society of Infectious Diseases, Korean Society for Antimicrobial Therapy, Korean Society of Pediatric Infectious Diseases and a tuberculosis association recommended the use of Kaletra, an anti-HIV medication, in combination with HCQ, to treat Covid-19.


Hydroxychloroquine used by Korea for Covid-19 while US is divided | Christina Lin | The Blogs

It is possible. I will keep an open mind and look for more reports on that. Thanks.

Two Bills 12-12-2020 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Byte1 (Post 1872650)
If SK was so great, they wouldn't need us to protect them, would they?

I keep hearing on here about tiny little countries handling the virus so well, compared to the U.S. In my opinion, we have handled it very well. If not for Warp Speed the whole world would be waiting years for a vaccine. And please remember that we have states larger than some of the countries that everyone seems to applaud.

Come on, let not get carried away with this Warpspeed stuff saving the world.
Russia and China have made and used their own vaccine.
Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine was going before Warpspeed, and financed it themselves.
Many pharma companies around the world are bringing other vaccines out, and trialing them.

Byte1 12-12-2020 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by La lamy (Post 1872707)
Thanks Jim. I appreciate you backing me up.

I don't think that anyone wishes to disparage you. I believe that folks are just getting a bit tired of all the continuing hysteria and panic and do not wish any more negative input. I doubt if the negative comments are meant to be personal. I know mine aren't.

Like I said in another post, I have been in neighbor's homes and they have been here and we have been remiss with the mask wearing. We have been out to dinner about once a week since the restaurants reopened. No indication with any of us being infected so far. I have done all the shopping in the past year, because it gives my spouse less exposure, if that makes any sense ...considering. So, when someone presents one vague incident of a theory that someone was in the same room for five minutes with an infected and caught the virus, it is without enough details to make a conclusion as to whether or not there might have been other associated factors involved.

Anyway, the vaccine will be available shortly and then all this will be moot.

jimjamuser 12-12-2020 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Byte1 (Post 1872675)
Totally out of context.

I don't think that is an example of "out of context". More a possible example of a diversion from the implied or assumed direction of an issue. Either way, it seemed to make an impression, a BYTE MARK.


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