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blueash 03-26-2020 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by ALadysMom (Post 1734097)
NY Times: some doctors are hoarding Malaria drugs...

“States Say Some Doctors Stockpile Trial Coronavirus Drugs, for Themselves“
March 24. 2020

Not Found - The New York Times


A similar hoarding of the then-FDA approved prescription antiviral drugs occurred during 2009 H1N1 Influenza outbreak which killed 12,000 Americans, primarily young healthy adults.

Action Taken to Prevent Hoarding of Flu Drugs - The New York Times

The only action to prevent hoarding that was taken according to the NY Times link you provided was that the manufacturers and distributers were being careful about double checking large orders of anti-flu meds.

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An even bigger concern could be hoarding on a larger scale, perhaps by distributors or hospitals that would buy more medicine than they need, in hopes of reselling it later for a much higher price if a shortage worsened
There were no actions by the government. Additionally with excellent pre-planning the Federal government had in place prior to the epidemic enough doses of anti-viral to treat 50 million patients, as is explained in the NY Times article. So there was never a shortage of anti-viral meds under the Obama situation except very isolated ones in communities where people who did not need the medication were obtaining it in advance of illness just in case. This was rapidly fixed by the available medication in the pipeline.

JoMar 03-26-2020 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by rklodt (Post 1734102)
Spoke with my sister-in-law who is a doctor and she confirmed that using Hydroxycloroquine with Azithromyacin will help those infected with Covid19 recover.

Which only confirms that doctors don't have the information needed and therefore disagree on effectiveness. Appears a lot of people are reaching to grab onto anything that has the potential to make life better. As stated prior, this will deprive those that really have a need the drugs they need.

Diverdave 03-26-2020 01:52 PM

Fear makes you desperate
 
I know the chemical names are similar, but aquarium cleaner isn't for human consumption. Often people will grasp for any kind of hope when they have been lead to a feeling of hopelessness.

Coronavirus is serious, but this is not time to panic. Wash,/ Sanitise your hands, avoid close conract with others, be smart and you have a 99.99% chance of being fine. Go off the deep end and gargle with Draino and your odds drop quickly.

Two Bills 03-26-2020 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Diverdave (Post 1734124)
I know the chemical names are similar, but aquarium cleaner isn't for human consumption. Often people will grasp for any kind of hope when they have been lead to a feeling of hopelessness.

Coronavirus is serious, but this is not time to panic. Wash,/ Sanitise your hands, avoid close conract with others, be smart and you have a 99.99% chance of being fine. Go off the deep end and gargle with Draino and your odds drop quickly.

Thank you for the advice
I was just about to gargle Draino, along with the half pint of bleach that my local refuse collector recommended as a sure fire way to ward off the virus.
I will just stick to drinking Lysol in future.

Loonymom 03-26-2020 03:07 PM

Originally Posted by coachkandsportsguy View Post
a ny doctor shared his results using hydroxycloroquine chloroquine/azithromycin
200mg 2x daily hydroxy chloroquine
500mg 1x daily azithromycin
220mg 1x daily zinc sulfate

350 patients
• breathing restored 3-4 hours
• zero deaths
• zero intubations

so there are more firsthand reports coming out of nyc, the possibility of returning to normal sooner than later is still dependent upon social distancing to break the infection rate. However, stay vigilant until the pandemic is over



Sorry but this information is not correct. Spoke with my son-in-law who is a doctor. There is no cure, this combo has only been shown to improve symptons in mild cases, it does NOT prevent intubations or death. Right now an NYC medical resident who got the combo treatment is not doing well in the ICU. Even the original French study which was done poorly still had intubations & death in that combo medicaton group. Stop putting out unsubstaniated, false information.

OrangeBlossomBaby 03-26-2020 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Diverdave (Post 1734124)
I know the chemical names are similar, but aquarium cleaner isn't for human consumption. Often people will grasp for any kind of hope when they have been lead to a feeling of hopelessness.

Coronavirus is serious, but this is not time to panic. Wash,/ Sanitise your hands, avoid close conract with others, be smart and you have a 99.99% chance of being fine. Go off the deep end and gargle with Draino and your odds drop quickly.

Especially when that hope is being fed by misleading or even flat-out incorrect information.

Nucky 03-26-2020 04:45 PM

I heard from the people playing cards and standing to close together after Golf that they heard from the guy who took their groceries to the car at Publix in PLASTIC BAGS supplied by PUBLIX that Dr. Gregory House has been activated and will come up with an answer to all problems in the next 24 hours! Have no fear!

Grow Up! It's not to late! Just do the things you've been told to do to not get sick! OR GET ME OR MINE SICK! Gimme 6 feet in Publix when I'm in line. I put an empty cart behind me and keep it there to keep the Pinhead behind me away! Screw their feelings! My life is important!

Did I ever mention that I love the pool? I wouldn't go in any pool at this point and won't until this is under control. We were trying to visit every pool in The Villages and have made it to 42 or 43 of them already. I wanna live and all I have to do is do my part and if any error is made it will be on the side of being overly cautious.

We all make mistakes but we're not to old to learn from our mistakes. Straighten up Fly Rite and LIVE! It wouldn't be any fun around here without each one of you!

Velvet 03-26-2020 06:14 PM

Can’t believe that even under these dire times people are still talking politics. So totally unuseful, in my opinion.

With so much of the world working on this virus, and so much funds funneled towards it, there has to be some breakthroughs soon.

B767drvr 03-26-2020 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Two Bills (Post 1734130)
Thank you for the advice
I was just about to gargle Draino, along with the half pint of bleach that my local refuse collector recommended as a sure fire way to ward off the virus.
I will just stick to drinking Lysol in future.

:1rotfl:

Mumbles 03-26-2020 11:03 PM

But, but, but...
 
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Originally Posted by Heyitsrick (Post 1733919)
NY's Democrat Governor Andrew Cuomo has approved the testing of the "hydroxychloroquine cocktail". Comments here about this drug combo efficacy being "misinformation" or simply touted by non-scientists or alt-whatever news sources is unequivocally wrong.

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Originally Posted by Heyitsrick (Post 1733919)

If people want to wait for full-scale long-term studies, that's fine. Tell that to a dying patient - perhaps (and hopefully not) someone you know - with no other hope. At least give the willing a chance. There's no guarantees, of course, but these are not normal times.



New York To Begin Clinical Trials For Coronavirus Treatment Tuesday, Cuomo Says

You are setting up a straw man and knocking him down, as the argument goes. First of all, pharmacology is not an easy science. I doubt that most of us can make a sound judgment without consulting a physician. Second, there is no "rushing" a cure for anything at all, ever. Science plods along. Even if it means some of our friends, family, ourselves may die before the right things comes along. Third, extrapolating that we MUST have found the cure because 10 or 20 regular physicians who are out of their depth with epidemiology are trying out off-label drugs with a patient's consent is Russian Roulette. In any case, most people in their last days on respirators are often comotose.

The bottom line , I find, is that self-quarantine is the VERY BEST WAY to get the numbers we want to see. (Dr. Fauci) You can hope til death that this, that, or another thing might work, but science does not operate that way. Staying away from places and people for a healthily long time is worth the effort if you want to live, and ESPECIALLY if you would be likely, like me, to pass on were I to get the virus (diabetic)

I am bummed out, as are many of you, I think, over this awful plague. We have lost some friends, too. But to me, it seems worthwhile to use the best practices where others seem to abandon themselves to Fate.

Byte1 03-29-2020 12:25 PM

Interesting how the malaria medicine is suddenly deadly. It wasn't deadly when they gave it to everyone in Vietnam. I am not sure, but they probably gave it the military during WWII also; at least those fighting in the jungles of SE Asia. Tell me that you won't take an experimental drug IF you are dying from an illness. Good grief, such gloom and doom on here. Where is the REAL AMERICAN positive thinking that made this country great?

graciegirl 03-29-2020 01:06 PM

Last night I heard on NBC News that nearly 500 law enforcement officers were infected in NYC. There have been over a dozen deaths from Covid-19 each day for three or four days at a one hospital in Queens. Starts with a P. The City is very concerned for their first responders, but I can't remember if they mentioned any had the virus.

Two weeks ago an emergency room doctor in NYC died of Covid-19.

I hope after this is over that perhaps people can be put to work, rehabbing many of the outdated buildings where people live with unworkable fire escapes and lack of safe exit if there were a fire. The whole city, the bumpy sidewalks and the trap doors leading into basements in the sidewalks have so many safety hazards that folks here wouldn't put up with for a New York Minute!


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