[MorTech]

Fascinating lecture to prevent blindness from diabetes/insulin resistance:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QDGvEI7znkE

[MorTech]

Takeaway....

Fact: Homo Sapiens are carnivores - NOT omnivores/herbivores.
Fact: Carbohydrates and plant seed PUFAs are metabolic toxins.

That is all we really need to know for a full health life where all our body parts stay intact and working.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by MorTech

Takeaway....

Fact: Homo Sapiens are carnivores - NOT omnivores/herbivores.
Fact: Carbohydrates and plant seed PUFAs are metabolic toxins.

That is all we really need to know for a full health life where all our body parts stay intact and working.

NOT A FACT

FACT----Without carbohydrates everyone of us would be dead in seconds.

PS: This is the same nonsense that got the last thread on this subject closed. But for those that want references to studies and LEGITIMATE experts, just for search the thread "Is it possible to get off all prescription medications". I gave at least 3 citations as to why all the hype about seed oils is complete NONSENSE. All we get from the proponents of this ridiculous Stephen Gundry garbage is anecdotal opinion.

Never mind searching, here are some excerpts:

So, he sells books, does podcasts, and btw sells a whole array of "supplements". No surprise. Now, here's the 411 on "Doctor" Stephen Gundry:
"Steven Robert Gundry (born July 11, 1950) is an American physician, low-carbohydrate diet author and former cardiothoracic surgeon.[1][2] Gundry is the author of The Plant Paradox: The Hidden Dangers in "Healthy" Foods That Cause Disease and Weight Gain, which promotes the controversial and pseudoscientific lectin-free diet.[3] He runs an experimental clinic investigating the impact of a lectin-free diet on health.

Gundry has made erroneous claims that lectins, a type of plant protein found in numerous foods, cause inflammation resulting in many modern diseases.[4] His Plant Paradox diet suggests avoiding all foods containing lectins.[5] Scientists and dietitians have classified Gundry's claims about lectins as pseudoscience.[5][6] He sells supplements that he claims protect against or reverse the supposedly damaging effects of lectins.[7]"
Glad it works for you, great. But anecdotal evidence is what the snake oil salesmen thrive upon. Please reference a multi-centered, double blinded, placebo-controlled study of at least 5,000 individuals published in a reputable medical journal (again. not the Southern Mongolian Journal of Pseudoscientific and Holistic Crap) that supports the concept of seed oils as being "poison". (I've never heard of a murder trial where the weapon was sunflower seed oil )

From the Cleveland Clinic:

Have you heard the claim that seed oils are “toxic”? Some social media users blame them for everything, from acne and weight gain to cancer and infertility. But as is so often the case, the truth is a lot more nuanced than TikTok typically reveals.

From the American Heart Association:

"There's no reason to avoid seed oils and plenty of reasons to eat them

The "Hateful Eight" may sound like an old-time Western movie, but this showdown doesn't involve cowboys or horses or even guns. It's a battle over the supposed dangers posed by eight seed oils – canola, corn, cottonseed, grapeseed, soy, rice bran, sunflower and safflower – and it's being fought on social media.

To listen to some people on TikTok, YouTube or any of a number of podcasts, the oil extracted from these plants is poisoning us. But is it, really?

"It's so odd that the internet has gone wild demonizing these things," said Dr. Christopher Gardner, a professor of medicine at Stanford University School of Medicine in California and a nutrition scientist at the Stanford Prevention Research Center. "They are not to be feared."

So once again, I await the rebuttal that will only include speculation, anecdotes, and amateur opinions.

[MorTech]

Takeaway 2.....

Carbohydrates and PUFA seed oil cause vascular permeability and rupture. The body responds with cholesterol to repair any blood leakage. Over time, this can cause plaguing and blockage leading to a heart attack. Cholesterol is not the CAUSE...It's the response.

"Saturated fat and cholesterol cause heart disease" and "Plant seed PUFA oils are heart healthy" are just plain WRONG!

Find yourselves a REAL doctor....Praise Robert Kennedy Jr.

[MorTech]

"FACT----Without carbohydrates everyone of us would be dead in seconds"

Can you provide even one medical case/death attributed to a carbohydrate deficiency? I'll wait.
Fact: consuming carbohydrates are non-essential and harmful to humans.

[margaretmattson]

Originally Posted by MorTech

"FACT----Without carbohydrates everyone of us would be dead
in seconds"

Can you provide
even one
medical case/death attributed to a carbohydrate deficiency? I'll wait.
Fact: consuming carbohydrates are non-essential and harmful to humans.

I have no medical background. But, I do know the primary source of energy in the human body is carbohydrates. Biology 101- 10th grade

Americans eat an overload of carbohydrates. Cutting down on portion size is all that is needed to control weight and remain healthy. Skip the giant plate of pasta and garlic bread or rolls, and choose meat with vegetables instead.

I have a friend who needed emergency surgery. However, she was severely malnourished. She ate 3 meals every day like you and I, but refused to eat any sort of carbs. (She had a strong adversion to the taste of nearly every vegetable. Wheat, sugar, and fructose were the devil's creations.) The end result? She had to remain in the hospital for weeks until she was healthy enough to have the needed surgery. Her hospital bill was over the roof. She is in debt but now eats vegetables, fruits, and whole grains.

Another friend bragged of how much weight he lost on a carnivore diet. He stayed on his diet of eggs, butter, bacon, and beef. He happily brought up the fact that he rarely poops. His body turned on him. He now has all sorts of medical issues.

I find it unfathomable that a person will self precribe instead of consulting a doctor. When my friends talk as if they are medical experts, I can see their future. Pain, surgery, and months of recovery. Or, six feet under. I have no self prescibing friend or family member who has not suffered this fate.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by MorTech

Takeaway 2.....

Carbohydrates and PUFA seed oil cause vascular permeability and rupture. The body responds with cholesterol to repair any blood leakage. Over time, this can cause plaguing and blockage leading to a heart attack. Cholesterol is not the CAUSE...It's the response.

"Saturated fat and cholesterol cause heart disease" and "Plant seed PUFA oils are heart healthy" are just plain WRONG!

Find yourselves a REAL doctor....Praise Robert Kennedy Jr.

Originally Posted by MorTech

"FACT----Without carbohydrates everyone of us would be dead in seconds"

Can you provide even one medical case/death attributed to a carbohydrate deficiency? I'll wait.
Fact: consuming carbohydrates are non-essential and harmful to humans.

And here we go again. You don't have to wait long. I'd like to have this debate with equal knowledge of human physiology and intermediary metabolism, but alas, that is not possible. So maybe I can explain it this way:

Energy is produced in the human body's cells (yes, the energy to filter through the kidneys, pump the heart, and in some cases run the brain) by a complicated series of chemical reactions on CARBOHYDRATES and related compounds by 23 enzymes and co-enzymes known as the Kreb's cycle. The result is the production of ATP (Adenosine Tri-Phosphate), which is the molecule that is used to power all cellular functions. Without it, AND BY DEFAULT, we are all dead in seconds. PERIOD. NO DEBATE. NO SEED OIL GARBAGE.

Really not all that hard to understand.

Now, I have put forth the physiology, citations, research and study by legitimate scientists, not social media gurus, and have had no rebuttal other than unsubstantiated amateur opinion, conjecture and regurgitation of some internet frauds. So the challenge to those who actually believe that remains:

Show me the multicentered, double-blinded, placebo-controlled study of at least 5,000 subjects that is published in a legitimate medical journal (again, NOT the Southern Mongolian Journal of Pseudoscientific and Holistic Crap) that supports these outlandish claims that have been shown to be erroneous time after time.

[ithos]

Originally Posted by MorTech

Takeaway....

Fact: Homo Sapiens are carnivores - NOT omnivores/herbivores.
Fact: Carbohydrates and plant seed PUFAs are metabolic toxins.

That is all we really need to know for a full health life where all our body parts stay intact and working.

Then why don't we have the digestive system and dental structure to eat raw meat? We are herbiovres just like many other large mammals. Too much animal protein leads to insulin resistance which eventually causes type 2 Diabetes unless you go carnivore. Eliminating whole food plant foods will have very negative health effects over time. It is also very detrimental to kidney health and promotes heart disease.

Saturated fatty acids induce insulin resistance in podocytes through inhibition of IRS1 via activation of both IKKβ and mTORC1 | Scientific Reports
https://www.heart.org/en/healthy-liv...saturated-fats
Prospective observational studies in many populations showed that lower intake of saturated fat coupled with higher intake of polyunsaturated and monounsaturated fat is associated with lower rates of CVD and of other major causes of death and all-cause mortality.
Just a moment...

The diet that set the stage for people in Okinawa living into their 100s, experiencing some of the healthiest longevity in recorded history, was one of either a poor agricultural society or one bearing the hardships of war.
The Diet Of Okinawa, 1949: Low-Fat, High-Carb, Very Little Meat | Fanatic Cook

[MorTech]

I don't recommend eating potatoes but Steak n Shake now cooks their fries in beef tallow. Maybe I will give them a try.

[ithos]

Originally Posted by MorTech

I don't recommend eating potatoes but Steak n Shake now cooks their fries in beef tallow. Maybe I will give them a try.

I wish to apologize. It is uncivil to criticize another persons religion.

[ithos]

The “Rice Diet” and Duke University | NC DNCR
On May 6, 1944, the Journal of the American Medical Association cited a study on the effect of what would become known as the “Rice Diet” on treating heart disease. Walter Kempner of Duke University presented the results at an AMA conference later that year.
...........

The regimen successfully treated disease without drugs. Its beneficial effects were dramatic, not only on kidney disease and hypertension, but also on cholesterol, cardiovascular disease, congestive heart failure and diabetes. Kempner found that the low fat content of the diet also enhanced weight loss.

This was far from the ideal treatment but it produced excellent results for that day. Present day programs with superior diets are even more effective.

This one is covered by Medicare:
NCA - Intensive Cardiac Rehabilitation (ICR) Program - Dr. Ornish'''s Program for Reversing Heart Disease (CAG-00419N) - Decision Memo

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by ithos

I wish to apologize. It is uncivil to criticize another persons religion.

I might have to join you, if we look at it that way. However, that would mean accepting "Doctor" Stephen Gundry as the "Pope" of seed oil, which I just can't stomach.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by MorTech

Takeaway 2.....

Carbohydrates and PUFA seed oil cause vascular permeability and rupture. The body responds with cholesterol to repair any blood leakage. Over time, this can cause plaguing and blockage leading to a heart attack. Cholesterol is not the CAUSE...It's the response.

"Saturated fat and cholesterol cause heart disease" and "Plant seed PUFA oils are heart healthy" are just plain WRONG!

Find yourselves a REAL doctor....Praise Robert Kennedy Jr.

Note to all....Robert Kennedy Jr. does NOT have a medical degree.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Note to all....Robert Kennedy Jr. does NOT have a medical degree.

Nor does he deserve “praise”

[MorTech]

I doubt many of you can understand the topic...Or probably didn't even watch the video.

Talk about religious dogma.