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Originally Posted by Quixote (Post 686946)

Here is one of those rare times in a serious discussion that I cannot help thinking the acronym ROFLMAO!!! You're right on, maureenod! The FDA?! The world's second most frequently told lie is "I'm here from the government to HELP you!" (The most frequently told lie is "The check is in the mail...." And no, I cannot document this; it's a joke!) Although I'm not trying to confuse anyone with facts when their minds are made up, following are a handful of links that spell out some of the more disastrous decisions made and positions taken by the FDA (of which GMO labeling is only one):

Testimony Assessing the U.S. Drug Safety System

FDA says it's OK to turn bad food into sellable stuff � peoplesworld

The Shocking Story of How Aspartame Became Legal | Collective-Evolution

The Ten Worst Drug Recalls In The History Of The FDA - 24/7 Wall St.

FDA’s Biggest Blunders - Health - MSN Healthy Living

The 20th Anniversary of the FDA's Biggest Mistake | Rodale News

This is yet another serious side effect of GMOs....

Emphasis above ("would have") is mine. Why did this legislation fail? Why did Monsanto pour millions of dollars to defeat a similar proposition in California in the last election? Why are food producers so reluctant to provide information on their products that state what is GMO? Why the need for such secrecy? This sure makes it sound as though there is something to hide.... Here are links to more studies concerning GMOs (and the reason I didn't post this yesterday is that I wanted to read all these links first):

GMO Scandal: The Long Term Effects of Genetically Modified Food on Humans | Global Research

Institute for Responsible Technology - Doctors Warn: Avoid Genetically Modified Food

The Effects of Genetically Modified Foods | The Liberty Beacon

Genetically Modified (GM) Food, Genetically Modified Organisms, Genetic Engineering, GM Food Crops, Engineered GMOs, Genetically Altered Foods.

Frankenfoods: The debate over genetically modified (GM) foods | Washington Times Communities

The Truth Is Out on Genetically Modified Foods - And It's Not Pretty

Vital Link article on health hazards of genetically modified foods

Genetically Modified Foods Affect Health and Body - Oprah.com

A point of view in a discussion is lost as soon as we sink to the level of being offensive or patronizing (as in an ageism and nationality comment about a respected geneticist, as though someone with decades of experience and a non-American to boot disqualifies him AND his research) or a put-down of British farmers by describing them in primitive terms or describing the views of someone whose differ from yours in a disparaging term rather than simply disagreeing.

To go back to my first quote, "Money talks." We can put down anyone who disagrees with us in an offensive way, even countries who disagree and ban GMOs and who thus even risk the possibility of their own food supplies being more costly to their citizens (based on supply and demand) because of these countries' concerns about the health of their citizenry. But it's American farmers who are the losers! Meantime, a "Protection of Monsanto Act" quietly sneaks through Congress that, as stated in this article, "Liberals and Tea Party Members alike are up in arms over...."

The Real Monsanto Protection Act: How The GMO Giant Corrupts Regulators And Consolidates Its Power | ThinkProgress

How can one not respect the concerns of someone who writes a thoughtful comment like this:

I don't understand this. Why should anyone think in terms of needing to "change anyone's mind" or "proving that GMO foods cause no harm"? GMOs are only one issue. If one is comfortable eating GMOs; eating foods from animals that have been treated with such things as BGH; eating foods that have been produced with heavy use of pesticides; eating foods with artificial colors, flavors, and flavor enhancers such as MSG; and so forth, then one is free to do so. On the other hand, if one is NOT comfortable eating such foods and prefers foods that are organically raised, which invariably cost more, then one is free to do that. No minds need to be changed; no proving is necessary....

I think your post was worthwhile and informative, but if it wasn't designed to prove anything or change anyone's mind, what was the point of it? What was the point of all those links?

If GM foods are destructive and bring about ever increasing environmental and healthcare costs, why should it be allowed to continue? If it's based on the freedom to do so, will the rest of us be free from paying the costs?

I wrote this yesterday ...

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Originally Posted by Quixote (Post 686946)

To go back to my first quote, "Money talks." .... But it's American farmers who are the losers! Meantime, a "Protection of Monsanto Act" quietly sneaks through Congress that, as stated in this article, "Liberals and Tea Party Members alike are up in arms over...."

... and this is today's news. Feel free to "kill the messenger"!

"It's on! Farmers begin suing Monsanto over genetic pollution of wheat crops"

Learn more: It's on! Farmers begin suing Monsanto over genetic pollution of wheat crops

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Originally Posted by Villages PL (Post 687252)

I think your post was worthwhile and informative, but if it wasn't designed to prove anything or change anyone's mind, what was the point of it? What was the point of all those links?

If GM foods are destructive and bring about ever increasing environmental and healthcare costs, why should it be allowed to continue? If it's based on the freedom to do so, will the rest of us be free from paying the costs?

You have answered your own question [see bold emphasis above]. Undecided people can make up their own minds. People can choose to change their minds if they wish; that's not my job. I am Quixote; I do battle with windmills, not with the minds of others. I know my limitations; the best I can do is live by a power of example: those who agree, agree; those who don't agree, don't agree. Those who don't agree AND THEN feel the need to "kill the messenger" because they don't like the message, well, that's not my problem, and I have no control over it; sorry....

"Will the rest of us be free from paying the costs?" That's a joke, isn't it�perhaps a not-so-funny joke, but a joke nonetheless?! With government comes the good and the bad. For example (as it's been part of this discussion), the FDA has done some wonderful things, but to cite them as a paragon of perfection when they've made some terrible proven mistakes is just plain unrealistic. And yes, we do pay for it. Michael J. Fox has public recognition and money, both of which theoretically should bring clout, but was he able to do anything for the many years that stem cell research�that could by now have given us a cure for Parkinson's disease�was banned? C'mon.... Purism and idealism may be wonderful, but we have to live in a world of reality!

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Originally Posted by Quixote (Post 687026)

And the last time I shopped at Aldi's, I was suckered into buying the corn because it LOOKED so good (one of the goals of genetic modification of foods). My mistake; no one else is responsible. When I got home, I realized what I had done and promptly threw it out. Wouldn't even feed it to the animals (that I don't have...)!

Wasting food is like stealing from the poor, says Pope Francis at his weekly audience in St. Peter's Square.
Wasting food is like stealing from the poor, says pope - World News

"Paranoia strikes deep,
Into your life it will creep,
It starts when you're always afraid,
............
Better stop, hey, what's that sound?
Everybody look what's goin down."

Buffalo Springfield 1967

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Originally Posted by JP (Post 687035)

In my opinion, genetically modified anything is just the same thing that has been happening on our planet since its inception. EVOLUTION.

What you say has some truth to it but overlooks the pace at which evolution effects change to plants, animals and humans. In nature, there's very little genetic change over tens of thousands of years. The very slow change in plants and animals allows humans the time to adapt. Genetic change creeps along ever so slowly and that's what keeps everything in balance.

Now we have scientists in laboratories making genetic changes, one after another, in a short period of time, leaving no time for animal and human species to adapt. Does anyone know what all the consequences of this rapid change will be?

If you are one who eats a lot of processed foods, you might not care about rapid genetic changes to the food supply. This is basically the same thing all over again because we have not had time to adapt to all the many processed foods that are available to us in supermarkets. And I can see the effect it has had on our population with record numbers of people being overweight and obese. More and more cases of diabetes, heart disease, cancer, arthritis etc.. Now rapid genetic change to the food supply just adds more fuel to the fire.

P.S. I'm not trying to change anyones mind, I'm just providing information. :-)

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Originally Posted by Villages PL (Post 688038)

P.S. I'm not trying to change anyones mind, I'm just providing information. :-)

BINGO! That's all any of us can do....

I just came across this re genetically modified foods

For optimal kidney health.....
Fruits and vegetables, particularly cranberries, blueberries, spinach, onions, celery and asparagus, are beneficial for kidney function. Focusing your diet on fresh, unprocessed foods is also important, and generally a heart-healthy diet is one that will be beneficial for your kidneys as well. Excess amounts of sodium, potassium, animal proteins and sugar should be avoided for kidney health.

You may also want to use caution when consuming genetically modified foods, as residues of glyphosate-based herbicides (like Roundup) widely used on GM crops and modified Bt insecticidal toxins that are produced by the GM plants themselves have been found to kill human kidney cells.