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OrangeBlossomBaby 01-12-2022 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 2048890)
Well......they should just stay in quarantine for that matter.

My new mantra..........Covid testing is POINT IN TIME.

It isn't "point in time." It's "recent, up to point in time."

It means you haven't had COVID RECENTLY. How recent? Well if you tested 5 days ago negative, and you test today negative, it means you have been negative for the past 5 days, UP TO now.

That means everyone YOU were in contact with, within the past 5 days, doesn't have to worry that you might have infected them.

That's a pretty significant monkey off someone's back, if they're visiting relatives who might be at risk.

Does this mean everyone should test every 5 days? I don't think so. But it does mean that if you are planning on visiting people you care about, then testing 5 days before you leave, and then the day before you leave, might not be a bad idea.

coffeebean 01-12-2022 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 2046326)
And 10 minutes after their test, while going to the grocery store, they could contract covid... And never know it...

Agree. Covid tests are POINT IN TIME. There.......I said it again!!!

kcrazorbackfan 01-12-2022 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by billethkid (Post 2045649)
I don't recall test sites/locations having blocks/miles long lines of people waiting to get tested.

If the omicron strain is more flu like than delta.....with less need for hospitalization and less incidences of death....why the "seemingly" panic to get tested?

The demand during the regular covid strain and then the delta strain during 2021 did not seem to result in such demand?!

Sheeples following the directions of other idiots; probably the idiots that wouldn’t get the vaccine.

golfing eagles 01-12-2022 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Janis Kaiser (Post 2046315)
The reason for Covid test is so that you don’t spread it if you have it.this a virus that stays in your body forever and may come out at a later time in a way we are not aware of. You also have long haulers and people that have residual effects for weeks and this you don’t get with the flu.
Because this is not the flu
Or just a cold. Also if you don’t feel well you must get tested so you don’t spread it to other people. If you spread this to immune compromised people or people with underlying conditions they may end up in the hospital or worse death. Testing prevents spreading. Children are now getting Covid with the new strain many of these children are ending up in the hospital. Remember this virus stays in your body and can manifest itself in many other ways later on. One small example is the chickenpox virus and then shingles. Do you have Covid hopefully testing well prove that and you will be considerate of your friends family and neighbors quarantine for a few days when you go out wearing mask please stop close talk or sit at a dining table even outside for a while.
I’m not saying don’t go shopping or go out just don’t get close to people Please wear a mask to protect other people because you don’t know what their health situation is. Even if you do think it’s like the flu that could also kill someone who has underlying health condition or is immune compromised.

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2046337)
Where did you ever get THAT idea?????? COVID (a coronavirus) is NOT Varicella (a herpes virus)

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Originally Posted by Janis Kaiser (Post 2046375)
I have personal medical and accurate knowledge of what I said. I am so sorry I ever posted anything on this site. Never thinking these responses would be so unkind and hateful. Now I feel I need to defend myself from ridiculous accusations. I am a good and honorable person and I was just trying to relay information which was told to me By a medical profession I wish my name never appeared on this and I am trying to delete Everything

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2046434)
As far as I am concerned, I didn't post anything "hateful", or "unkind", I simply stated that you were factually wrong. And if your misinformation was relayed to you by a "medical professional", I'd love to have a chat with that person. Half the problems with this pandemic start with totally inaccurate posts on social media, as well as hype promulgated by politicians and the media

PS: Personal knowledge, I'll take your word for it. Accurate---not so much. Sorry, but that is simply the medical facts, nothing "hateful" or "unkind" about it.

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Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 2048892)
Really? I did not know this. YIKES. It is like Varicella? Where did you get this information? I would like to know. Please supply a link.

As you can see, I don't think your inquiry to that person will go any further than mine.
PS--were you hateful and unkind:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:?????

coffeebean 01-12-2022 10:45 AM

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golfing eagles 01-12-2022 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 2048896)
It isn't "point in time." It's "recent, up to point in time."

It means you haven't had COVID RECENTLY. How recent? Well if you tested 5 days ago negative, and you test today negative, it means you have been negative for the past 5 days, UP TO now.

That means everyone YOU were in contact with, within the past 5 days, doesn't have to worry that you might have infected them.

That's a pretty significant monkey off someone's back, if they're visiting relatives who might be at risk.

Does this mean everyone should test every 5 days? I don't think so. But it does mean that if you are planning on visiting people you care about, then testing 5 days before you leave, and then the day before you leave, might not be a bad idea.

How so----if they have no symptoms, they should have no monkey. If they have symptoms---THEY should get tested. If they are severely immunocompromised or neutropenic with ANC < 500, they should not be hosting visitors. If they are unvaccinated, then they've decided to take their chances anyway.

coffeebean 01-12-2022 11:42 AM

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JMintzer 01-12-2022 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Sedwards45 (Post 2048886)
BECAUSE those younger than 5 cannot be vaccinated. Uncommonly high number of children are being hospitalized due to COVID! If you HAVE cold or allergy symptoms and may be around young children, you need to get tested for their safety.

Nope... They are being admitted "with" covid, not "due to" covid...

The vast majority are found to test positive upon admission for another problem...

Your claim has been thoroughly debunked by multiple experts on multiple news sources...

JMintzer 01-12-2022 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 2048892)
Really? I did not know this. YIKES. It is like Varicella? Where did you get this information? I would like to know. Please supply a link.

You didn't know it because it's simply NOT TRUE...

golfing eagles 01-12-2022 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 2048939)
Nope... They are being admitted "with" covid, not "due to" covid...

The vast majority are found to test positive upon admission for another problem...

Your claim has been thoroughly debunked by multiple experts on multiple news sources...

Please stop confusing the indoctrinated with the facts:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

JMintzer 01-12-2022 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2048941)
Please stop confusing the indoctrinated with the facts:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

https://c.tenor.com/puMSd7LWf7wAAAAM/puppy-eyes.gif

golfing eagles 01-12-2022 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 2048942)

cute. apology accepted.

Bill14564 01-12-2022 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 2048939)
Nope... They are being admitted "with" covid, not "due to" covid...

The vast majority are found to test positive upon admission for another problem...

Your claim has been thoroughly debunked by multiple experts on multiple news sources...

Interesting, I wasn't able to find any articles debunking this. Recent articles still claim a surge in pediatric hospitalizations.

But let's say it has been debunked. Does that mean there is no surge in pediatric hospitalizations and the reports of beds filling and children in hallways are just exaggerations? Or, if a non-Covid surge is truly happening, then what is the cause?

(I really did try to find an answer to whether more children are being hospitalized for all reasons but I haven't found those numbers yet)

Djean1981 01-12-2022 01:15 PM

Makes no sense to me. I would only get tested if I had symptoms that I thought required medical treatment. Then, I would contact my doc.

coffeebean 01-12-2022 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2048848)
but now you're excluding the whole cadre of people who are making a career out of virtue signaling :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

rotflmao

Swoop 01-12-2022 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 2048961)
Interesting, I wasn't able to find any articles debunking this. Recent articles still claim a surge in pediatric hospitalizations.

But let's say it has been debunked. Does that mean there is no surge in pediatric hospitalizations and the reports of beds filling and children in hallways are just exaggerations? Or, if a non-Covid surge is truly happening, then what is the cause?

(I really did try to find an answer to whether more children are being hospitalized for all reasons but I haven't found those numbers yet)

According to the American Academy of Pediatrics, the most recent numbers show that in states reporting, 0.00%-0.02% of all child COVID-19 cases resulted in death.
If there were two children hospitalized with Covid and now there are six, I guess that constitutes a “surge”. Hospitalizations would have tripled… When working with very small numbers, sometimes it makes sense to look at the actual numbers not the percentage change.

coffeebean 01-12-2022 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by billethkid (Post 2048875)
When I hear the words of glee from neighbors that they tested negative, I reply........great for today, what about tomorrow?

Do they look at you like you have five heads?

JMintzer 01-12-2022 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 2048961)
Interesting, I wasn't able to find any articles debunking this. Recent articles still claim a surge in pediatric hospitalizations.

But let's say it has been debunked. Does that mean there is no surge in pediatric hospitalizations and the reports of beds filling and children in hallways are just exaggerations? Or, if a non-Covid surge is truly happening, then what is the cause?

(I really did try to find an answer to whether more children are being hospitalized for all reasons but I haven't found those numbers yet)

""We test anybody who’s admitted to the hospital for whatever reason to see whether or not they have Covid, and we’re definitely seeing an increase in cases. However, we’re really not seeing an increase in children who are hospitalized for Covid or in the intensive care unit for Covid," Offit said.

According to the Department of Health and Human Services, patients are counted among those with Covid if they are suspected of having or laboratory-confirmed positive for the disease, even if they were not originally admitted to the hospital for that reason."

Child Covid hospitalizations are up, especially in 5 states

coffeebean 01-12-2022 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Sedwards45 (Post 2048886)
BECAUSE those younger than 5 cannot be vaccinated. Uncommonly high number of children are being hospitalized due to COVID! If you HAVE cold or allergy symptoms and may be around young children, you need to get tested for their safety.

Then, there are those children who are of age to be vaccinated but their parents refuse to have their child vaccinated. Call me heartless but I'm still not going to wear a mask. Keep your kids away from me.

golfing eagles 01-12-2022 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 2049000)
Do they look at you like you have five heads?

Of course they do. They think they are right. They think they are smarter than you. They think they have the high moral ground. They think they care for about others than you do. And they do their own research. You will not convince them otherwise. The scary part is that they are wrong on each of those counts, but they will never know it.

coffeebean 01-12-2022 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 2048896)
It isn't "point in time." It's "recent, up to point in time."

It means you haven't had COVID RECENTLY. How recent? Well if you tested 5 days ago negative, and you test today negative, it means you have been negative for the past 5 days, UP TO now.

That means everyone YOU were in contact with, within the past 5 days, doesn't have to worry that you might have infected them.

That's a pretty significant monkey off someone's back, if they're visiting relatives who might be at risk.

Does this mean everyone should test every 5 days? I don't think so. But it does mean that if you are planning on visiting people you care about, then testing 5 days before you leave, and then the day before you leave, might not be a bad idea.

No. I won't do that unless I know for sure I was exposed by someone who was Covid positive and only if I were to be gathering with family or friends. If I were symptomatic, I would stay home. Now, if the gathering were a wedding or an occasion just as important, I may reconsider attending but get a home test. I still would not wait hours in line to be tested. I'd stay home.

coffeebean 01-12-2022 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 2048940)
You didn't know it because it's simply NOT TRUE...

Whew! That is a relief.

RPDaly 01-12-2022 04:03 PM

They need something to post on Fakebook

Bill14564 01-12-2022 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 2049001)
""We test anybody who’s admitted to the hospital for whatever reason to see whether or not they have Covid, and we’re definitely seeing an increase in cases. However, we’re really not seeing an increase in children who are hospitalized for Covid or in the intensive care unit for Covid," Offit said.

According to the Department of Health and Human Services, patients are counted among those with Covid if they are suspected of having or laboratory-confirmed positive for the disease, even if they were not originally admitted to the hospital for that reason."

Child Covid hospitalizations are up, especially in 5 states

And from this article:
And the number of kids who simply occupied hospital beds each day, even if they ultimately weren't admitted to the hospital, reached a record average of 3,081 a day over the last seven-day period.
Not disputing that the reported numbers are high primarily due to increased testing. Just wish the reporting was more clear. While there are more children being tested and more tests coming back positive are there more children being admitted? Neither of the articles provide numbers and they seem to disagree on that point.

JMintzer 01-12-2022 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 2049061)
And from this article:
And the number of kids who simply occupied hospital beds each day, even if they ultimately weren't admitted to the hospital, reached a record average of 3,081 a day over the last seven-day period.
Not disputing that the reported numbers are high primarily due to increased testing. Just wish the reporting was more clear. While there are more children being tested and more tests coming back positive are there more children being admitted? Neither of the articles provide numbers and they seem to disagree on that point.

More kids being admitted WITH a positive covid test? Yes.

More kids being admitted BECAUSE of a positive covid test? A few...

midiwiz 01-21-2022 01:18 PM

funniest thread I've read yet. thanks!

John-US 01-21-2022 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by billethkid (Post 2045649)
I don't recall test sites/locations having blocks/miles long lines of people waiting to get tested.

If the omicron strain is more flu like than delta.....with less need for hospitalization and less incidences of death....why the "seemingly" panic to get tested?

The demand during the regular covid strain and then the delta strain during 2021 did not seem to result in such demand?!

I think most want the tests as they are free??

tophcfa 01-21-2022 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Dotneko (Post 2045651)
Because people are idiots. How many asymptomatic people are testing? It's like the tree falling in the forest lol. lf you test positive for covid, but have no symptoms, does it count? Well, answer is yes - which is why our positivity rate is way up, yet our hospitalizations arent.

Hmmm, perhaps it’s because many people are NOT idiots. They might simply be kind and unselfish folks who are asymptotic, but want to know if they have Covid so they can quarantine and not expose those who are at high risk of a bad outcome. Sometimes it’s not all about yourself, but what is better for others.

maistocars 01-21-2022 04:00 PM

They will be starting a new club in the Villages soon called The Testing Club, with testing parties every M-W-F and prizes for those who test positive 3x in one day!

jimjamuser 01-21-2022 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by billethkid (Post 2045649)
I don't recall test sites/locations having blocks/miles long lines of people waiting to get tested.

If the omicron strain is more flu like than delta.....with less need for hospitalization and less incidences of death....why the "seemingly" panic to get tested?

The demand during the regular covid strain and then the delta strain during 2021 did not seem to result in such demand?!

Well. Omicron is more transmissible and the headline on the front page of the Daily Sun (our GLORIOUS journalistic achievement of a newspaper) states, "Omicron's spread pushes Sumter's positivity rate higher". One possible reason is the influx of unvaccinated folks from Midwestern states. This headline could convince some Village People that they need to "DO" something. A positive test gives a person the knowledge to quarantine for 5 to 10 days and to delay a trip to visit relatives that might be unvaccinated and have other conditions. Testing is needed to allow therapeutics like Regeneron to be used early before the disease gets established. Also, there is the need to know to monitor yourself closely to determine if it gets bad enough to go to a Hospital.
.....Knowing if a person is positive even if asymptomatic allows them to plan their life in case they get "long-haul" CV, which could have a significant effect on a person's future.
.......Some people may be planning a trip that requires a certificate of a negative test.

billethkid 01-21-2022 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by maistocars (Post 2051980)
They will be starting a new club in the Villages soon called The Testing Club, with testing parties every M-W-F and prizes for those who test positive 3x in one day!

With a door prize to the person who generates the most new cases since the last meeting!!
:duck:

jimjamuser 01-21-2022 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Papa_lecki (Post 2045677)
Fake testing sites are popping up in Philadelphia, used to steal identities. They’ve been doing it for weeks, the city just figured it out. They put pop up tents up in the streets.

City warns residents of fake pop-up COVID-19 testing sites

I wish that I were a Judge that could hand out criminal penalties for this type of operation.

jimjamuser 01-21-2022 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Petersweeney (Post 2045747)
The unvaccinated are being lumped in with people who had Covid early pre vacc and have better resistance than the vaccinated….most conversations about this are muted by media that take advertising money from big pharma….if the vaccine is so good why do you need 3 or 4 of them? Think about it….Covid is leaving us as evidence is it’s half life potency….. but capitalism is going to squeeze every last dollar out of it…..and yes as a prior poster noted….people are stupid…

Prior infection wears off more quickly than actual vaccines. It also can lead to a FALSE sense of being immune. And little is known about "long haul" CV. I will go with the shots and boosters.....thank you very much!

Altavia 01-21-2022 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2051989)
Prior infection wears off more quickly than actual vaccines.

Really?

This has flipped both ways but might want to check the most recent data.

jimjamuser 01-21-2022 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by MandoMan (Post 2045813)
If you have possible symptoms but a negative test, you don’t have to go into quarantine. If you have symptoms and a positive test, then if you are a person with morals who deserves to be considered human, you go into quarantine until you are negative so you don’t spread it. If you’ve spent time with someone positive, you could have an asymptomatic case that spreads to others and may put them in the hospital—or the graveyard. Again, it comes down to whether you have morals and live your neighbor as yourself or are just selfish.

I agree! Well spoken!

jimjamuser 01-21-2022 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Pachine58 (Post 2045829)
So omicron is a highly contagious as the measles was, so just figure your going to get it. Good thing is it is milder and has no lung component. Aches, fever 102, chills , etc like flu. Lasts 3-5 days. Good news this variant will build up antibodies against delta the more deadly version. So why test you either got or you don’t, so test is pointless now.

Long Covid and re-infection are several reasons why it is better to NOT get CV than to get a mild case. Asymptomatic positive tested people now KNOW that they should avoid contaminating other people by quarantining and waiting until getting a negative PCR test.

jimjamuser 01-21-2022 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Scorpyo (Post 2045871)
Most of the responses are against testing and for many good reasons. I would have heartedly agreed 2 days ago. As of yesterday I still agree, however, not to the same degree. Yesterday I was feeling like crap. I had a stuffy runny nose, coughing, sneezing, a slight headache and a slight back ache. I happen to have 2 BinaxNOW tests kits which I bought a few months ago. So I opened one and did the test. I was expecting a negative result – probably a cold or maybe some flu symptoms. No such luck it came up positive. I immediately texted my doctor to see what, if anything, I should do. He has not, as yet, gotten back to me. I will take the second test next Saturday to see if it comes up negative. In the meantime, given that I know I have it I won’t be running around spreading it. Yesterday the symptoms were mild, not so much last night. I didn’t get any sleep as it was difficult breathing with my stuffed up nostrils and my temperature fluctuated between 99 and 102. And yes, I had both Pfizer shots and the booster. So yes, I do agree that most of this testing hysteria is uncalled for but there are a few instances where it may be prudent.

Dr Blue ash has an excellent post recently on interpreting rapid tests. The positive test is about 98% reliable. So, likely that the test was correct. When taking the next test IF it is NEGATIVE do NOT be very elated - a NEGATIVE result has a HIGH likelihood of being FALSE. The 2 different results are NOT the same as to their reliability, which becomes a little hard to wrap one's head around. But, it is VERY important.

jimjamuser 01-21-2022 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by YeOldeCurmudgeon (Post 2045908)
Everything is about money but that is the system we have now. Unless we change it, it will always be about money. You have a solution for this?

A partial solution IS that it has been proven through psychological studies that the DO er of a good deed receives a reward in the form of chemical endorphins that promote health and happiness.

jimjamuser 01-21-2022 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 2045931)
And don't forget that the CDC now says you can test positive for up to 12 weeks AFTER you had Covid. Even if you had an asymptomatic case...

Various people have different .....everything DNA, healthy lifestyle, etc, etc. Add to that they could be exposed to different amounts of CV. So, because of variables like that, I would STAY quarantined UNTIL I got an all-clear negative PCR test out of empathy for others. Without a respect for others we, in the US will be doomed to fighting more and different varieties of CV. This means ....get vaccinated AND boosted. I believe that Israel is going to TWO boosters. The US does NOT have the countrywide unification and empathy to finish off this CV monster.

Bay Kid 01-22-2022 08:39 AM

This will give a great boost to fear, control and fear. Control


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