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Nightengale212 09-16-2014 04:33 AM

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Originally Posted by plugers (Post 938688)
FYI Most doctors and nurses never get the flu shot..It is totally unnecessary..
Eat well, get plenty of sleep and the best advice is to practice good hand washing and stay out of crowds…

Not sure where you are getting your info from but this R.N. and pretty much all the other nurses and doctors I work with get the flu shot. Who do you think are the most heavily exposed to the flu virus ? It is the healthcare worker like me who is highly exposed to coughing-in-your-face flu infected patients, and most of us opt for the shot to not only protect patients but to protect ourselves from patients.

xNYer 09-16-2014 05:44 AM

Formaldahyde
 
From the FDA

Formaldehyde has a long history of safe use in the manufacture of certain viral and bacterial vaccines. It is used to inactivate viruses so that they don’t cause disease (e.g., polio virus used to make polio vaccine) and to detoxify bacterial toxins, such as the toxin used to make diphtheria vaccine. Formaldehyde is diluted during the vaccine manufacturing process, but residual quantities of formaldehyde may be found in some current vaccines. The amount of formaldehyde present in some vaccines is so small compared to the concentration that occurs naturally in the body that it does not pose a safety concern.*

Formaldehyde is also produced naturally in the human body as a part of normal functions of the body to produce energy and build the basic materials needed for important life processes. This includes making amino acids, which are the building blocks of proteins that the body needs.

Formaldehyde is also found in the environment and is present in different ways. It is used in building materials, as a preservative in labs and to produce many household products.

The body continuously processes formaldehyde, both from what it makes on its own and from what it has been exposed to in the environment. When the body breaks down formaldehyde, it does not distinguish between formaldehyde from vaccines and that which is naturally produced or environmental. The amount of formaldehyde in a person’s body depends on their weight; babies have lower amounts than adults. Studies have shown that for a newborn of average weight of 6 - 8 pounds, the amount of formaldehyde in their body is 50-70 times higher than the upper amount that they could receive from a single dose of a vaccine or from vaccines administered over time.

Excessive exposure to formaldehyde may cause cancer, but the latest research has shown that the highest risk is from the air when formaldehyde is inhaled from breathing, and occurs more frequently in people who routinely use formaldehyde in their jobs. There is no evidence linking cancer to infrequent exposure to tiny amounts of formaldehyde via injection as occurs with vaccines.

Schaumburger 09-16-2014 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by CFrance (Post 938439)
I had the flu once, in the spring of 1995. To this day I still remember how deathly ill I was and how long it took to fully recover. It took over a month.

I'll take my chances with the flu shot.

I agree. I had the flu about 14 years ago. I was sicker than a dog. Every year since 2001 I have gotten the flu shot; I just got mine last week for the upcoming flu season.

I always remind my 84 year old Dad to not forget to get his flu shot!

Hancle704 09-16-2014 11:12 PM

Dr. Miller, Dr. Phil, Dr. Oz all have an audience and don't know you from Adam but are all peddling something. What does your doctor who knows you best suggest?

asianthree 09-17-2014 07:22 AM

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Originally Posted by sunnyatlast (Post 938494)
I find among acquaintances who do not vaccinate at all that they look for "experts" whose claims validate their seething hatred of "Big Pharma".

But when they land in the ICU for weeks they're going to wish for antibiotics and steroids and every other drug produced by their hated villain.

Since the fact that anabiotic's and steroids will kill me. I am thinking that my hatred of big pharm has nothing to do with the fact that a lot of people cannot take drugs ...we deal with it when we sometimes end up in ICU. And sometimes we die. But you will find those who cannot take pharmaceuticals have a tendency to have a different look on life. We have no choice, or as my kids say if you want to get rid of me quick float an antibiotic in my coffee. Anaphylactic shock is a quick way to go

graciegirl 09-17-2014 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by asianthree (Post 939538)
Since the fact that anabiotic's and steroids will kill me. I am thinking that my hatred of big pharm has nothing to do with the fact that a lot of people cannot take drugs ...we deal with it when we sometimes end up in ICU. And sometimes we die. But you will find those who cannot take pharmaceuticals have a tendency to have a different look on life. We have no choice, or as my kids say if you want to get rid of me quick float an antibiotic in my coffee. Anaphylactic shock is a quick way to go

You really against prescription drugs? Even those that you are not allergic to?

2BNTV 09-17-2014 08:53 AM

B767drvr and VPL must be related. :D

I got my flu shot last week, and will continue to get the flu shot every year.

My experience has been that it may not prevent you from getting the flu, it will reduce the symptoms that will enable you, to function. No one wants to make love to the porcelain goddess.

For those allergic to the shot, getting it is not a good idea but I still believe one should get a pneumonia and shingles vaccination. Shingles is a painful condition that one family member suffered with, causing a tremendous mount of pain. The pneumonia vaccination will not stop you from getting pneumonia, but it will keep you from dying. Source is my old PCP.

"You can say, I won't get the flu shot or I will". Either way your right.

Suzi 09-17-2014 12:08 PM

If everyone got the flu shot, then the people who were allergic and could not be immunized would very unlikely to get the flu.......who would they get it from? Same with the childhood immunizations. If all children were immunized, who would they catch measles from?

Just a thought.

B767drvr 09-17-2014 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Suzi (Post 939678)
If everyone got the flu shot, then the people who were allergic and could not be immunized would very unlikely to get the flu.......who would they get it from?


Just a thought.

They would get the flu from the people who have the flu, after getting the flu shot… sort of the point of all this information.

graciegirl 09-17-2014 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by B767drvr (Post 939784)
They would get the flu from the people who have the flu, after getting the flu shot… sort of the point of all this information.


The immunization does work for most people. There are tests that can be performed to check the body's response. Titer.
I am sure that those are done in controlled studies before the vaccine is released.

http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/e...cle/003333.htm

CFrance 09-17-2014 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by B767drvr (Post 939784)
They would get the flu from the people who have the flu, after getting the flu shot… sort of the point of all this information.

They would NOT get the flu from the majority of people who did get the flu shot, because the majority of those folks will not get the flu!

B767drvr 09-17-2014 05:23 PM

CDC: Flu vaccine only provided 9 percent protection for seniors against worst strain
 
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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 939796)
The immunization does work for most people. There are tests that can be performed to check the body's response. Titer.
I am sure that those are done in controlled studies before the vaccine is released.

Antibody titer: MedlinePlus Medical Encyclopedia

If some take the time to research the efficacy of the flu shot, I think you will achieve total consciousness:

>>A new government report on the effectiveness of this year's flu vaccine finds dramatic discrepancies in the amount of protection Americans received, with senior citizens being left the most vulnerable.

The 2012-2013 influenza vaccine contained two influenza A strains and one influenza B strain. The A strains included an H1N1 (swine flu) strain similar to the one that caused a 2009 pandemic and a new H3N2 strain, that officials later discovered to be behind much of the serious illness reported this year. The vaccine also contained a 2010 influenza B strain.

The new report from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention found the vaccine offered 58 percent protection against the most common and dangerous H3N2 strain for children ages 6 months to 17 years old, 46 percent protection for adults ages 18 to 49, and 50 percent protection for adults 60 to 64 years of age.

However, for seniors 65 and older, this year's flu shot was found to be only 9 percent effective against the more virulent H3N2 strain, the report showed.

Overall, the flu vaccine was found to be 56 percent effective at reducing the need for medical visits caused by the illness. That's around the initial 62 percent effectiveness figure the CDC reported in January based on early test results collected from 1,155 children and adults who went to doctors with respiratory infections.

In recent years, the vaccine has been about 60 to 70 percent effective at preventing flu.

For adults 65 and older, the vaccine was found to be 27 percent effective against the three strains, according to the new report -- the lowest in about a decade, but not far below from what's expected.

But the vaccine did a particularly poor job of protecting older people against the harshest flu strain, and CDC officials say it's not clear why.
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CDC: Flu vaccine only provided 9 percent protection for seniors against worst strain - CBS News

B767drvr 09-17-2014 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by CFrance (Post 939799)
They would NOT get the flu from the majority of people who did get the flu shot, because the majority of those folks will not get the flu!

The data do not support your assertion.

graciegirl 09-17-2014 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by B767drvr (Post 939836)
If some take the time to research the efficacy of the flu shot, I think you will achieve total consciousness:

>>A new government report on the effectiveness of this year's flu vaccine finds dramatic discrepancies in the amount of protection Americans received, with senior citizens being left the most vulnerable.

The 2012-2013 influenza vaccine contained two influenza A strains and one influenza B strain. The A strains included an H1N1 (swine flu) strain similar to the one that caused a 2009 pandemic and a new H3N2 strain, that officials later discovered to be behind much of the serious illness reported this year. The vaccine also contained a 2010 influenza B strain.

The new report from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention found the vaccine offered 58 percent protection against the most common and dangerous H3N2 strain for children ages 6 months to 17 years old, 46 percent protection for adults ages 18 to 49, and 50 percent protection for adults 60 to 64 years of age.

However, for seniors 65 and older, this year's flu shot was found to be only 9 percent effective against the more virulent H3N2 strain, the report showed.

Overall, the flu vaccine was found to be 56 percent effective at reducing the need for medical visits caused by the illness. That's around the initial 62 percent effectiveness figure the CDC reported in January based on early test results collected from 1,155 children and adults who went to doctors with respiratory infections.

In recent years, the vaccine has been about 60 to 70 percent effective at preventing flu.

For adults 65 and older, the vaccine was found to be 27 percent effective against the three strains, according to the new report -- the lowest in about a decade, but not far below from what's expected.

But the vaccine did a particularly poor job of protecting older people against the harshest flu strain, and CDC officials say it's not clear why.
<<


CDC: Flu vaccine only provided 9 percent protection for seniors against worst strain - CBS News


The above link is referencing last years flu shot. The above report was in February of this year at the height of the flu season.

We three will get our flu shots this year and hope for a better result.

I am confident that it does help.

Bonanza 09-17-2014 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by B767drvr (Post 939840)
The data do not support your assertion.

Sorry, but you are only reading one-sided data.

Trying reading something outside of your very limited box!

asianthree 09-17-2014 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 939575)
You really against prescription drugs? Even those that you are not allergic to?

Yep I am a Des baby . The drug that was given to women in the 50s (my mom took it) while pregnant. Many of those babies ended up with cancer. At 17 I had cervical cancer, followed by 7 others cancers, and 8 miscarriages. And then our two surviving children have issues also from the drug. I do not use any over the counter or prescription drugs. Just not giving them another chance. However there are few drugs I can take so it matters not.

justjim 09-17-2014 09:19 PM

We got the flu shot today and pneumonia shot too. Wife got pneumonia 7 years ago and it was "nip and tuck". The vast vast majority of doctors advise the majority of people to get these shots. Seems right to me.

graciegirl 09-18-2014 07:47 AM

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Originally Posted by asianthree (Post 939926)
Yep I am a Des baby . The drug that was given to women in the 50s (my mom took it) while pregnant. Many of those babies ended up with cancer. At 17 I had cervical cancer, followed by 7 others cancers, and 8 miscarriages. And then our two surviving children have issues also from the drug. I do not use any over the counter or prescription drugs. Just not giving them another chance. However there are few drugs I can take so it matters not.

I am familiar with that tragedy. It was given to women who were bleeding early in a pregnancy to help them from not miscarrying.

Sometimes drugs have awful side effects. But thank God you are here and you wouldn't have been without that awful drug. And before it was discovered that it caused the girl babies to have a high risk for cervical cancer it was given to many women.

I still say that prescription drugs overall save many more lives than they destroy.

Thank you for telling us this, Asian three.


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