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Old 08-21-2019, 09:18 AM
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There's no question about that, as bullies and nasty people...have never bothered me.
Does look the Unification Church is more established in certain countries like South Korea. Probably would not be a "cult" there.

I did look up that man-- Jerome-- on Facebook and he got out of that world which was good for him.

There are different cults though and some can be extremely dangerous to get involved with in any way.

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Not sure how the topic got switched to or at least zeroed in on religion.

This topic is discussed more and more every day in this country as folks try to hide from reality. Religion sometimes is used as a phoney crutch but further investigation would reveal it is a sham. NO religion condones much of any cult action. It has been used as an attraction but certainly not limited to that aspect of life.

I read a book on the Jonestown debacle and all the criteria listed fit.
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Old 08-21-2019, 11:02 AM
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Not sure how the topic got switched to or at least zeroed in on religion.

This topic is discussed more and more every day in this country as folks try to hide from reality. Religion sometimes is used as a phoney crutch but further investigation would reveal it is a sham. NO religion condones much of any cult action. It has been used as an attraction but certainly not limited to that aspect of life.

I read a book on the Jonestown debacle and all the criteria listed fit.

Exactly.

I've purposely avoided speaking of specifics as to what type of cult she is in...as there are many, many types.

What almost ALL cults have in common however, are most of the items listed in the first post, so reviewing them...might be a good thing.

Combined with the fact that anyone in any type of cult are most likely to both deny any facts and vigorously defend it, until such time (as someone mentioned previously)...THEY have chosen to recognize/listen to the truth and want to change.

This is more of a quest of HOW to convince someone who has, in essence, become brainwashed...finally admit that to themselves.

When facts, proof, similar examples and the truth don't seem to make much difference, because it's primarily a 'gut' feeling (and/or bias) of the affected...where does one go from there?

After all, the willingness and courage to stand up and admit one is/was wrong, is a trait that is rarer than it should be...and only the strongest among us seem to be able to do.

My buddy is primarily looking for that opening, regardless of how small...that will begin to get through to his beloved granddaughter.

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Exactly.

I've purposely avoided speaking of specifics as to what type of cult she is in...as there are many, many types.

What almost ALL cults have in common however, are most of the items listed in the first post, so reviewing them...might be a good thing.

Combined with the fact that anyone in any type of cult are most likely to both deny any facts and vigorously defend it, until such time (as someone mentioned previously)...THEY have chosen to recognize/listen to the truth and want to change.

This is more of a quest of HOW to convince someone who has, in essence, become brainwashed...finally admit that to themselves.

When facts, proof, similar examples and the truth don't seem to make much difference, because it's primarily a 'gut' feeling (and/or bias) of the affected...where does one go from there?

After all, the willingness and courage to stand up and admit one is/was wrong, is a trait that is rarer than it should be...and only the strongest among us seem to be able to do.

My buddy is primarily looking for that opening, regardless of how small...that will begin to get through to his beloved granddaughter.

Is there a boyfriend or girlfriend involved? This may be key to changing your friend's granddaughter's mind. If the BF or GF pulled her into the cult that might be a lot harder if she has a BF GF that can pull her out of it.

They used a lot of sexual politics those two afternoons to try to get me to commit more.

It is often the social misfits who get pulled into some of these cults. Depends though at what stage the cult is at. Some get very established and sophisticated.
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Emily St. John Mandel's novel Station Eleven goes a lot into cult like thinking. It is set partially in the US after a flu wipes out most people in the world and leaves some towns to cults that develop because of the lack of law and order. There is a travelling group of actors and musicians who travel through some of these towns. They are a big part of the novel.

It might be a good read for this friend's granddaughter. It was a National Book Award finalist around 2014.


Also very well written and thoughtful about just about everything. Is one of the really deep books you find once in a great while.

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Emily St. John Mandel's novel Station Eleven goes a lot into cult like thinking. It is set partially in the US after a flu wipes out most people in the world and leaves some towns to cults that develop because of the lack of law and order. There is a travelling group of actors and musicians who travel through some of these towns. They are a big part of the novel.

It might be a good read for this friend's granddaughter. It was a National Book Award finalist around 2014.


Also very well written and thoughtful about just about everything. Is one of the really deep books you find once in a great while.
Well-written post-apocalyptic dystopian novels are awesome, one of my favorite genres.

If she's a reader and this was suggested, it might very well plant that seed of doubt for her. From there, she could have the inspiration she needs to explore her "need" to affiliate with this cult.
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Before we go too far down the road of "Baker Act" lets not forget that the person is a 27 year old, an adult, and has the right to her own beliefs.

Yes, Grumpy -- that is true. Everyone does have a right to believe in whatever they choose to believe in.

However, the Baker Act has nothing to do with age and possibly what someone believes in; it depends upon a bunch of things.
Regardless of how old a person is, if someone meets certain criteria, they can be Baker Acted.
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Yes, Grumpy -- that is true. Everyone does have a right to believe in whatever they choose to believe in.

However, the Baker Act has nothing to do with age and possibly what someone believes in; it depends upon a bunch of things.
Regardless of how old a person is, if someone meets certain criteria, they can be Baker Acted.
It is usually whether the person is a danger to others and/or herself for the Baker Act to kick in. And then there is an adjudication if the patient needs further institutionalization made by an impartial judge.

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Some say that The Villages is like living in a cult....

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The most infamous cults in history - INSIDER

This is an interesting read about dangerous cults in recent history. There have been a large number of cults throughout history. Many now established religions started as cults.
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