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It really is incredible. A few footballs were under inflated by a small amount.

The league has launched an investigation to try to determine how this happened.

There has not even been an accusation or an allegation by anyone and yet people are calling the entire team cheaters, calling for them to be banned from the Super Bowl and fined.

The whole thing is really pretty ridiculous, isn't it?

NE has and are cheaters. Their problem is they got caught. All the analysis of how PR usage suckers those who listen to the media, etc is smoke trying to divert from the very basic point. The Patriots cheated and have cheated and how anyone wants to deal with that is their business. To go into denial is a disorder that will not be changed by a few notes in TOTV's. Stay on point: They cheated in the past and there is no basis to believe they cleaned up their act. Remember the best predication of the future is the past. Hope that rings a bell for some. :bowdown:

Those of us who have actually played the game know that an underinflated ball is not an advantage....Its harder to throw a tight spiral therefore less accurate, punts won't travel as far and field goals won't track as true toward the uprights..........I'll take a max inflated ball any day...........
What we have to keep in mind here is that this not Penn State , This is the best team in Pro Football.............

fieldgoal fumar

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Originally Posted by PennBF (Post 1003944)

Thank you for that information. I'd love to see the details of the extensive investigation that you have done to come to that conclusion.

Other than the fact that they got caught on a minor technical violation of a rule seven years ago, by taking video from just outside of that approved area, I'm not sure how to can say conclusively that they had anything to do with the balls being under inflated. The past is the the past and has nothing to do with this incident.

There is absolutely not one shred of evidence to show that they had anything to do with it. But you have evidently come up with some information that the rest of us don't have. I'd really love to see what you turned up. Because, without that, there is no basis to believe that they did anything wrong. To go into denial of that is a disorder that will not be changed by a few notes in TOTV's.

This is chump change when compared to steroid use, players like Suh intentionally cleat stomping quarterbacks, etc.

Who makes NFL Footballs? What is the name of the Seattle quarterback? The signal was sent.

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Originally Posted by Bosoxfan (Post 1003937)

How The NFL Made a Fool of You With "Deflategate"

If you are a football fan that feels as though the Patriots have hurt the integrity of your precious sport with the PSI of a game ball, or a member of the media who took to your laptops and the airwaves to editorialize your distrust of Bill Belichick and Tom Brady and Bob Kraft, then you should be mad right now; because the NFL played you like a fiddle.*

*They made a mockery of you. They dangled the bait in front of you and you snapped it up so quickly and with so much vigor that they haven�t even had to come out and speak to you and answer your questions; because you haven�t even asked them to.

And they knew that you wouldn�t.

They dared you to inundate an entire team of athletes and personnel with accusations based on your lingering distrust of Bill Belichick post-SpyGate; distrust that constantly leaves you calling for his resignation and/or the confiscation of his Super Bowl rings despite the fact that you have failed to exhibit the same vitriol for the also-highly-decorated Jimmy Johnson who admitted to doing the same exact thing.

You went on the radio and the internet and TV and indicted the Patriots based on nothing other than a couple of flimsy reports and an announcement of an investigation. You did that knowing that despite it being enough of a story that Belichick and Brady were at the podium talking to you about it, the NFL had inexplicably failed to even have a conversation with Brady yet. You did that knowing that this is the same exact league and Commissioner whose credibility you�d spent most of the season dismantling.

You wanted and needed so badly to believe that the Patriots couldn�t possibly be the dynasty that has reigned supreme over the last fourteen years that you gave the NFL the benefit of the doubt.

The league that tried to cover up their knowledge of a video of Ray Rice knocking his fianc� unconscious with a punch to the face, then had their Commissioner stand up in front of you and dare you to try to make him pay any consequences for it.

The league that, in the interest of financial gain, ignored and covered up the brutal health implications of playing for them until a beloved Hall of Fame linebacker killed himself and donated his brain to science in the hopes that it may save the lives of other players.

Why has it not also been shoved down your throats that they�re investigating the Browns for illegal use of electronic devices for sideline communication, or that the Chargers were fined in 2012 for cheating through illegal use of towels with a hidden substance? Where was the viral outrage when the Cowboys and Redskins were fined millions in cap dollars after being found guilty of purposely dumping salaries into the uncapped year in 2010?*

*Wait, you will love this one. Why didn�t the NFL deem it necessary to make quarterbacks and coaches speak to their accountability and respect for the integrity of the game when just TWO MONTHS AGO they caught the Vikings heating game balls on the sideline in a 12-degree game against the Panthers after they supposedly reminded both teams that it was illegal to do so? (Full credit and big thanks to*Pats Krieg for compiling these.)

The NFL�s brilliant leaking of a �possible� Patriots scandal was enough to incite such a frenzy that you immediately repudiated the trustworthiness of Brady; one of the NFL�s pillars of sportsmanship and someone who has never previously been accused of being a cheater (or drug-user or rapist or animal endangerer or criminal of any kind). Not only did you question him but you attacked him. With nearly no provocation and armed with only a vague statement from an NFL spokesperson and unofficial reports from other sources, you labeled Brady a liar and a cheater.

After he told you that he didn�t do anything wrong and stood and answered your questions for 35 minutes, you came on television and arrogantly rattled on about �disappointment� in him; disappointment based on the inflation level of game balls that almost every single current and former player agrees is a non-issue. That consensus is further backed up by the lack of outrage when the aforementioned ball-tampering in Minnesota popped up in November of 2014.

Aaron Rodgers admitted that he hopes his purposely over-inflated balls sneak by the referees� inspection, and you dismissed that as not cheating. Because you know that the pressure of the balls does not win you NFL games. You aren�t mad about deflation or inflation; you just want to hate the Patriots.*

The problem is that if you do think that the Patriots benefit from ball pressure, then Rodgers just told you that he does too. You�re not going to start a war against Rodgers, so you make it about principle. It�s �the principle� of the matter.

Okay. That�s what they were figuring you would do.

So now we are nine days into this thing while fast approaching the Super Bowl, and the NFL has not even had to come out and actually call the Patriots cheaters. Nor have they addressed the issue directly to the media or the public. A spokesperson confirmed that there was an investigation. Then five days ago the NFL released a statement that took three paragraphs to say exactly what the spokesperson had confirmed: that they are investigating. The only notable addition was to note that the Patriots are cooperating fully with said investigation as well as a particularly preposterous paragraph in which they explain the reconnaissance mission in terms more suited for the script of an episode of CSI.

The fact that you so willingly fell into this trap is a testament to just how much power the NFL has over you. They handed you the narrative that they knew you wanted. They figured they could solve the �indignity� that the league had suffered at the hands of the mighty cheating Patriots by throwing the book*at the "bad guys�. They�d even do it to Bob Kraft to show you how they don�t play favorites.

What better way to help solve an image issue than align yourself with the masses against a common enemy? Bravo to Goodell.*He "cracked down" on cheating without further angering any of the NFL owners that already don't like him.

You bought it hook, line and sinker because you're under the delusion that your team is all clear eyes-full hearts and has somehow been victimized by this. It is one thing to buy into a perfectly timed PR stunt. It�s another thing entirely to fall into the ignorant space between conspiracy and reality that*enables you to continuously denounce the NFL and its most successful franchise as cheaters and liars, yet still voraciously consume their product that they've pitted you against.*

The only way that this league will change for the better is if you stop letting the NFL take you for such fools.*

What he said

The next complaint from a crying team the Patriots beat will claim something was amiss with the cleats on their shoes or they were using a primitive language while calling signals.

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Originally Posted by The Great Fumar (Post 1003967)

Ya got that right. :agree:

None if this matters. Whether you love or hate the Pats is irrelevant. Whatever the findings ultimately are is totally inconsequentail. It will be another black mark against the Pats.

Fans will defend the under inflation as they have the video taping and the plowing of the field for their kicker. And please remember that just because something is legal doesn't make it morally right. Non-fans will continue to rail against the Pats.

Fact: Tom Brady is a great QB and a truly decent guy.

Fact: Belichick skirts the line and will take any advantage he can. There is a reason Shula calls him Belicheat.

FACT: the Pats don't need any edge. They are a great franchise right now whether those of us who dislike them want to admit it or not.

Defending the Pats is not going to make an iota of difference to any of this. Railing against the Pats and the tarnishing of the purity of the game is not going to make an iota of difference to any of this. The Super Bowl will be played. Either the much loved/loathed Pats will win or the Seachickens will win. We will all enjoy the commercials and possibly the halftime show. Odds are that Monday discussions will be had about the latter two and little will be said about the actual game.

Personally, I will keep on loathing the Pats, I will keep the Dolphins close to my heart (but they almost lost me when they hired Johnson, whom I detest even more that the Pats) and I will happily cheer when the Niners win a game.

(1) 24 footballs, 12 from Colts 12 from Patriots. 46% PSI were violating rules, All were Patriots, Another way, 92% of Patriots balls violated rules, 0% of Colts, (2) Ravens complained prior to Colts game that Patriots violated in their game, (3) Patriots history is cheating, (4) 5 NFL QB's said they would know if the PSI rule had been violated by the feel,(5) NFL QB on late night show (Connan) was given a ball with 13 PSI and 11 PSI and in the blind he identified each to the precise PSI just by feel, (6) an underdeflated ball provides the advantage of a shorter punt which give the opposing team less chance of "touch back" and kicking team a better chance of stoping run prior to 20 yd line, (7) when raining it gives the QB a better grip on the ball and less chance of fumble, slipping out of hand and better control as can grip lighter and firmer, etc. It was raining.
I don't think it takes Colombo to call this one! Now if some still believe the Patriots were a clean honest team I have a bridge to sell and a 52 Chevy only driven by a little old school teacher in Sand Diego.
A number of others have played football and understand the advantages and benefits of a cheating team. As I have said, over looking these violations and giving the team a pass on meeting moral and ethical values is worry some.?:bowdown:

New england cheaters

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Originally Posted by Bosoxfan (Post 1004379)

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Right on! Go Pats.

Breaking News: Pat Patriot apparently slept with every member of the New England Patriots cheerleading squad the night before the Super Bowl. They're calling it Sleepgate!!!

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I hope they win today by 50 points so that no one can say anything but the best team won.

And every golfer who complained about the football and has always had to play with a Titilest ball can never find anything but a Topflight forever.

It is ironic that the title of this post is "New England Cheaters" and I would bet the farm 99% of the people who read or posted never raised a question in their mind as to who the post was meant for and the subject matter!! As a couple of well known famous QB's from the NFL said that not one thing happens in the game including the balls, the field condition, the player shoes, etc.etc. without
Belichick and the quarterback knowing. To believe otherwise is to indicate you have never played pro football or worked for one of the organizations. Of course Belichick and the QB knew the balls were underinflated and were violating the rules. It is also ironic that some point to how many points that NE won by and that regardless of the condition of the ball they would have won. That may or may not have been true but to use that as an logic for cheating kind of lacks morals and ethics If you win it is ok to cheat. Where does that logic come from? As I understand it, if you get caught cheating in Vegas you are banned from ever working of entering a Casino in the state. Maybe the NFL should take a page out of that book?:ohdear:

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Originally Posted by PennBF (Post 1004671)

Report: Only 1 ball from AFC championship was 2 PSI low, others just �a tick� below regulation
02.01.15 at 12:11 pm ET
By Mike Petraglia
Bill Belichick speaks Monday at the team headquarters in Chandler, Ariz. (Mike Petraglia/WEEI.com)

Bill Belichick speaks Monday at the team headquarters in Chandler, Ariz. (Mike Petraglia/WEEI.com)

GLENDALE, Ariz. � As the Patriots prepare to take the field for Super Bowl XLIX, they are apparently looking more and more like winners in the Deflategate saga.

According to the NFL Network�s Ian Rapoport, only one of the 12 balls used by the Patriots in the AFC championship was a full 2 PSI below regulation while the other 11 found to be below spec were only �a tick� below regulation.

This news contradicts a report from Chris Mortensen two days after the AFC title game that 11 of the balls were found to be as much as a full 2 PSI below regulation.

There is an ongoing investigation being conducted by Ted Wells into how the balls were handled before the AFC championship game and if there were serious protocol violations by the Patriots. Patriots owner Robert Kraft sounded a confident tone Monday night upon the team�s arrival in Phoenix, expressing his support of Tom Brady and Bill Belichick and demanding an apology from the league if the report clears the team.

In his state of the league address on Friday, commissioner Roger Goodell said he�s not drawn any conclusions and will let the report speak for the league.

But the more that comes out, the more it appears the Patriots will be vindicated. Here is more from Rapoport on Sunday morning:
Prior to the game, a game-day worker employed by the Patriots, a man described as elderly, took two bags of 12 footballs (one bag from each team) into the restroom near the referees� room in Gillette Stadium. The man was in the room for 98 seconds. When he exited the room, he took the balls to the field. There is video of the man entering and exiting the bathroom, but it�s unclear if there is a clear shot inside the restroom.
That the man entered the restroom prior to walking with the footballs onto the field was discovered by the Patriots, and video footage was quickly turned over to Ted Wells for his investigation.
When coach Bill Belichick and Tom Brady were told there were questions about the footballs, both were incredulous. Belichick indicated privately what he said publicly: That he had little knowledge of what went into pregame footballs. Brady told someone close to him that he works on the footballs all week, then has no idea what happens to them on gameday.
Eleven of the 12 footballs used in the first half were judged by the officials to be under the minimum of 12.5 PSI, but just one was two pounds under. Many of them were just a few ticks under the minimum.
Many of the footballs used in the AFC title game, which all have Walt Anderson�s initials on them, were returned to circulation among the rest of the Patriots game-day footballs. Because Anderson was the referee for two other Patriots games this season, there are more than 30 footballs with his initials in the team�s possession. It appears the league has the football D�Qwell Jackson intercepted and took to the sidelines to ultimately hand over to his equipment staff.
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Wonder what a "tick" measurement is?

it begs the question then, if it wasn't an advantage, why was it done? Brady was just interviewed about it on TV and boy did he look guilty. All he had to do was emphatically say he knew nothing about it but he didn't. He danced all around it. A rule is a rule and it was broken. If it didn't matter, it wouldn't be a rule. It's unfortunate, because I do believe New England is a great team and I have a lot respect for Tom Brady. But this was bush league and beneath them. I say this as someone who is apathetic about who wins.

I worked in the computer industry all my adult life. when we were given specs there would be a high and a low with a margin of error of +/- 5%. So in my opinion a tick would be in spec and the balls would be legal, but this is my opinion. What the NFL released is fact it's fact what they found, unlike other posts filled with hearsay and innuendos. But why let the truth get in the way of a good story. If you shout false statements long enough and loud enough it may become the truth.

GO PATS

Here's another story for all of you who are so sure that The Patriots cheated.

Deflategate twist: Only one of Patriots' 12 balls were under-inflated - NFL - SI.com

It's becoming more and more apparent every day that they didn't cheat.

Of course, the haters will keep going on and on about it hoping that they can get more people hating right along with them, but ti's going to backfire.

It's time to stop calling them cheaters and call them what the are. The 2015 Super Bowl Champions.

Champs again! Enough said!

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Originally Posted by Bonnevie (Post 1004816)

There is nothing bush league about anything that was done. They are not guilty of anything. Ten of the balls were found to be very slightly under the legal limit of 12.5 PSI. Brady has stated that he liked his footballs to be exactly 12.5 PSI. It's entirely possible that the measurement could have been off by a tick or two. In fact, it wouldn't surprise me that if the balls were measured two or three time that they might have gotten two or three different reading all within .01 PSI. The fact is that they didn't do anything to the footballs and all of this was either the result of faulty measuring, tolerances, or atmospheric conditions. Who knows, the ball that was down by 2 PSI might have been slammed into the ground or landed upon buy a 350 pound linemen.

So let's stop all the hating and congratulate the 2015 Super Bowl Champions.

Return to glory for the pats

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Originally Posted by Bosoxfan (Post 1004955)

Champs again! Enough said!

http://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/20...nOM/story.html

(Scroll to below "photo gap empty space" for full story from the Boston Globe Newspaper)

Patriots rally to beat Seahawks in Super Bowl - Sports

Return to glory for the Pats

Brady rallies Patriots to 28-24 Super Bowl win over Seahawks

Two great teams, but.......

Boston is our "big city".

Everyone up here roots for the Boston Patriots plus the Boston Red Sox.

New england cheaters

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Originally Posted by Bosoxfan (Post 1004955)

Champs again! Enough said!

And well said.

I still hate the Pats but congrats on their victory. They fought hard to win.

The better team won. For those who think Brady didn't answer the mail in the interview with Bob Costa (sp), what they don't understand is that sometime between his "absolutely not" and the "lets wait and see what the investigation finds" statements, the lawyers got to him and told him what to say. Those all were lawyer coached answers. And I am sure it caused him a lot of grief to have to answer that way. And for a public broadcaster to state to Bob "after seeing that I have doubts" makes me realize just how stupid he is.

All his answers were lawyer coached and anyone who has every asked questions of and got answers from a lawyer should recognize that.

The better team won. Mistake on both sides, but in the end Bill and Tom put all the doubters in place. Tom Brady by every measure and statistic is now the undisputed best quarterback to every play the game. YEAH PATRIOTS.

HOORAY !!!! ALLEGED CHEATERS WON ...........

Expert on OPHRA this morning said good bounce for Pat's
was caused by an over inflated ball.....
honest !

fumar

It was a great game played by 2 very excellent teams. The Seahawks gave it their all. It was one of the best games I have watched. Hoorah for the Patriots.

After the League report, you will see that this means nothing, and the Pats are still the Super bowl champs................GO PATS........end of story.

Game Over....Put this to bed.................

New evidence points to the probability that the real cheaters did not make it to the Super Bowl.

Esiason On DeflateGate: Coordinated Effort By Ravens & Colts To Embarrass Tom Brady � CBS Boston

Boomer Esiason knows a bit about football and the NFL.

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Ironically enough, and contrary to the initial report, only one of the footballs was found to be two pounds per square inch under the required 12.5 PSI threshold, with the rest being �just a tick under� the limit.

People can draw their own conclusions, but the Colts were only in possession of a Patriots football one time, and that came after a D�Qwell Jackson interception of Tom Brady midway through the second quarter. Is it possible the Colts may have leaked the football and handed it to the referees for investigation, while the other 11 balls naturally deflated from atmospheric conditions?

Destiny teams always generates jealousy amongst those that continue to lose.

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Originally Posted by AriaGrandparents2013 (Post 1006993)

Destiny teams always generates jealousy amongst those that continue to lose.

Well put!

The New England Patriots, portrayed as the Super Bowl villains by the national media as a result of Deflate-gate, traded their black hat to the Seattle Seahawks at some point during Sunday night’s Super Bowl.

The good guys won, or, if you’re from Baltimore, New York, or any of the 28 other NFL cities and can’t quite admit that, just concede that the bad guys lost.

The Seahawks, or at least their most flamboyant players, have demonstrated a lack of class in victory. Richard Sherman chasing down Tom Brady to ask, “You mad, bro?” several seasons ago and gratuitously digging at Michael Crabtree after the 49ers defeat in last season’s NFC Championship Game, come to mind. So, too, does the crotch-grabbing exclamation points Marshawn Lynch affixes to his touchdown runs. At the Super Bowl, the lack of class previously shown in victory by the Seahawks reared its head in defeat.

Sore loserdom represents the flipside of taunting.

This displayed itself in its most ugly fashion in the few seconds of the game in which everybody knew the outcome. Seattle came in full-force in response to New England’s victory formation in the Super Bowl’s waning seconds. Bruce Irvin came in swinging. He landed a punch on Rob Gronkowski. Where should have been extended hands, the linebacker extended his fists. A melee ensued that threatened to mar what had played as perhaps the greatest Super Bowl in history. The referees ejected Irvin, who, once his understandable frustrations dissipated, humbly apologized.

Earlier in the second half, after Doug Baldwin caught a Russell Wilson touchdown pass, the Seahawks receiver mimed a vulgar act on the sports world’s largest stage. Instead of handing the ball to the referee or maybe issuing a celebratory spike, Baldwin pulled down imaginary trousers and squatted over the brown object beneath his legs. Further advertising his bad manners, he subsequently feigned neither wiping nor washing his hands.

Moments after Baldwin’s immaturity overshadowed the most important play of his career, Richard Sherman clowned for NBC’s cameras. He mocked Darrelle Revis, a shutdown cornerback Sherman often finds himself compared to, for muffing the coverage on the previous play. Sherman finger-flashed Revis’s number “24” as he mouthed the words and then made the touchdown hand signal.

One can envision Bill Belichick’s charges surreptitiously letting the air out of footballs or even murdering people on their off days. One can’t imagine any of them pulling a stunt like Baldwin’s or completely losing composure after a heartbreaking loss.

This, in a nutshell, stands as the reason New England Patriots owner Robert Kraft fired Pete Carroll and hired Bill Belichick 15 years ago. The former coach allows his team to blare rap music during practice and proudly celebrates the individuality of his players. The latter, who blares crowd noise during practice but little else, comes from the no-I-in-team school. Just ask Terry Glenn. Or Wes Welker. Or dozens of other guys. It’s the unlikable, no-nonsense hooded authoritarian who produces likeable players and the laid-back likeable, do-your-own-thing dude who unleashes hoodlums onto the gridiron.

Sure, Russell Wilson and Russell Okung appear about as classy as any in the NFL. But they came to the Seahawks that way. The power of Bill Belichick lies in taking troubled cases (Corey Dillon, Randy Moss, LeGarrette Blount, etc.) and transforming them into choir boys, at least on the field.

When NFL Network interviewers pressed one such choir boy, albeit of a cutthroat variety, on his place in the annals of NFL quarterbacks, the four-time Super Bowl-winner responded, “I’m a lucky guy. I’ve played on some great teams.” When Deion Sanders praised the classic game as a Tom Brady moment, the quarterback refused to take the ego bait. “There are a lot of guys who had moments tonight,” he noted. “It took every single guy.”

It wasn’t about “me, me, me.” With the New England Patriots, it never is.

Great post. Accurate and to the point. The critics will continue to bash the Patriots because they can't stand success.

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Originally Posted by l2ridehd (Post 1007271)

Great post. Accurate and to the point. The critics will continue to bash the Patriots because they can't stand success.

Maybe I missed something but I don't remember these kind of comments when the Dolphins and the Niners were the dynasties to beat. So, is it a matter of success or something about the Pats?