Gray, this is a great thread. I feel like I'm sitting at my favorite bar yapping and arguing about football, which your probably realize by now is one of my favorite pass times.
Thanks for getting it started.

I have seen him on the sidelines. I guess I took it differently. I felt that he was upset, about losing, and was blaming himself. I don't remeber him complaining about the officials, etc. I know how much good works, he and his wife, do for Indy, Louisiana and Tennessee. Maybe that colors my opinion.

Great QB: Brett Favre

Bad: Ben Roethlisberger

Thanks bluedog, mine too - season can't start soon enough...and I'll be picking up the tab for this one...you can get the next round! :beer3:

Favre? You gotta be kidding!
The guy should have stayed retired after he left the Packers.
All he did for the Jets was cost them a bunch of games and get the coach fired.
Hmmm, without Favre there would have been no Rex Ryan era.
Maybe you're right RG, If you have a struggling team and your QB goes down, Favre's your man.

I'm not saying Peyton's a bad guy - bad human; have no clue of his personal business except his being in too freakin many commercials; he's just not the kind of football player I like...too much sideline drama.

I have watched the games we play Manning with a bunch of people and they all boo-ed him when the camera focused on him and his expressions.

Maybe people are miss-reading him?

I know thats right pat. I Get misunderstood all the time, it happens.

Lou

Favre never really wanted to go to the Jets. Did you even watch last year's SB? Favre will be a Hall of Famer. Can't think of anything bad about that. Sounds like you're just a Jets cry baby.

Looking a little into the future, bad guy - Tim Tebow

Huh??? 31-17, does that sound familiar? That was the score of last years Superbowl. That's 31 for New Orleans, 17 for Indy. Brett Favre played for neither team. He played for the Vikings last year, who lost to the Saints in the NFC Champ. game. Farve had nothing to do with the SB, except for maybe buying a ticket and a beer and enjoying a great game. Just wanted to bring you up to speed.
Brett Favre will no doubt be a Hall of Famer. He'll join Bart Starr from the Packers, Fran Tarkenton from the Vikings and Joe Namath from the Jets, all teams for whom Farve has played . I don't think I'd want them coming in off the bench if my quarterback went down either..
You say Favre never wanted to be a Jet. I guess he was kidnapped in the middle of the night, dressed in green and white and shoved out on the turf. Probably not.
Favre came to the Meadowlands on his own free will and played his heart out. He just didn't have the skills or the supporting cast to get the job done. He played heroically is spite of injury but, bottom line, he didn't help the Jets. Favre even admitted recently that his reason for playing for the Jets was that he thought he could help them. Never once did he mentioned the kidnapping you are obviously referring to. Nor did he mention or imply that he quit because he didn't want to be there.
RG, if you read any of my posts you should realize that I'm a football fan. Jets fan? You betcha but you can't root for the humble Jets for many years without being a fan of the game. I can and do appreciate greatness on either side of the ball. Do I talk smack, yep, it's something I look forward to each season. Please notice though, I never attack an opposing fan. I never call a fan a name. The banter goes back and forth and we leave the bar friends whoever wins. Personal attacks are not appreciated.

A pick with real cojones!
 

Got to give you props on that choice Shimpy...you realize you are living in Gator country here...you may want to consider setting up an armed perimeter around your home :boxing2: -
I got no issues with Tebow...what's he done to inspire your venom?

Good guy - With a team that has a chance I'll take Brady. He can't do it alone. I'm afraid that when it is all said and done Peyton will win a couple more SB's and be considered the top QB of all time. But he plays for Indy so I just can't support that on principle.

Bad guy - Vick, and not just because of the dog charges. He is not a top notch NFL QB in my opinion. Add the dog thing in and he can't lose enough for me.

Well said Russ. I also didn't consider Vick to be that much of a QB even before the dog charges. Now, fuggetaboutit.

Good Guy: Without question, Tom Brady (and I'm a Giants fan). Runner up: Peyton Manning
Bad Guy: Again, without question, Michael Vick