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toeser 01-22-2023 08:48 AM
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Originally Posted by retiredguy123 (Post 2178205)
The Fox Network will be broadcasting the Super Bowl, and other playoff games, in an upscaled version of 4K. Upscaling means that they will take the native 1080p signal and use a video processor to add, or interpolate, additional pixels to the broadcast signal. So, instead of 1920x1080 pixels, you will get 3840x2160 pixels, 4 times as many. This is supposed to produce a better picture than 1080p, but don't count on it. Networks don't want to spend the extra money to produce native 4K content.

So, make sure your TV is set to the 4K resolution to see if you can tell the difference.
I have a TV that upscales DVD's and other sources that are not full 4K. It fools my eyes perfectly. If I like the results, why would I care how they get there?

M2inOR 01-22-2023 09:13 AM
You won't get 4K anything in Spectrum or Xfinity cable TV.

You'll need the right satellite service and equipment, of the right streaming service to get 4K.

As for creating pixels and upscaling, there is some improvement, but it no signal processing can accurately create something it doesn't know. It can fool the eye somewhat, though.

retiredguy123 01-22-2023 09:29 AM
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Originally Posted by M2inOR (Post 2178518)
You won't get 4K anything in Spectrum or Xfinity cable TV.

You'll need the right satellite service and equipment, of the right streaming service to get 4K.

As for creating pixels and upscaling, there is some improvement, but it no signal processing can accurately create something it doesn't know. It can fool the eye somewhat, though.
Are you sure? I have a 4K cable box from Xfinity, and there is a video output resolution setting for 4K UHD HDR, "2160p60 4K UHD".

photo1902 01-22-2023 09:40 AM
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Are you sure? I have a 4K cable box from Xfinity, and there is a video output resolution setting for 4K UHD HDR, "2160p60 4K UHD".
RG123 is absolutely correct.

tuccillo 01-22-2023 09:46 AM
If you have a 4K TV, all 1080p input is upscaled to 4K by the TVs upscaling circuitry. Perhaps Fox’s upscaling of their 1080p signal to 4K prior to broadcasting is a better upscaling of the original 1080p signal? I suspect any differences would be minor and your ability to see them would be a function of the size of the set and your viewing distance.


Quote:
Originally Posted by retiredguy123 (Post 2178205)
The Fox Network will be broadcasting the Super Bowl, and other playoff games, in an upscaled version of 4K. Upscaling means that they will take the native 1080p signal and use a video processor to add, or interpolate, additional pixels to the broadcast signal. So, instead of 1920x1080 pixels, you will get 3840x2160 pixels, 4 times as many. This is supposed to produce a better picture than 1080p, but don't count on it. Networks don't want to spend the extra money to produce native 4K content.

So, make sure your TV is set to the 4K resolution to see if you can tell the difference.

M2inOR 01-22-2023 09:57 AM
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Originally Posted by retiredguy123 (Post 2178531)
Are you sure? I have a 4K cable box from Xfinity, and there is a video output resolution setting for 4K UHD HDR, "2160p60 4K UHD".
Thanks for the update!

My Spectrum DVR/cable box doesn't have this. When I had Comcast, this wasn't an option.

I'll research a bit further for Xfinity. I'll see if the new boxes are upscaling to get 4K, or if the networks actually have a real 4K video source. From my network contacts, I know some of the networks do 7se 4K cameras, and downscale the 4K to 1080 for many of the cable providers.

The industry has also provided specs for broadcast TV for some areas where people get over-the-air broadcasts that people receive using an antenna.

Regorp 01-22-2023 12:09 PM
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Thanks. Any prediction on who will be playing in it?
Look for Eagles vs Chiefs or Bills, but who cares for all that technical mumbo jumbo. Just enjoy the game.

Samcat13 01-22-2023 03:56 PM
Well if your cable box can only transmit 1080p it hard to get more.

retiredguy123 01-22-2023 04:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Samcat13 (Post 2178711)
Well if your cable box can only transmit 1080p it hard to get more.
If you have Xfinity, you can exchange the box for a 4K box for free. Just go to the Xfinity store.

laryb 01-22-2023 04:37 PM
The article below might explain what FOX is doing with their broadcast, and ways to watch it with their upscaled 4K, if your carrier doesn't carry it.

Want to Watch the NFL Playoffs In 4K? You Will Need to Do This - The TV Answer Man!

allsport 01-23-2023 02:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Taltarzac725 (Post 2178228)
Probably KC vs Buffalo with Buffalo winning and then Buffalo winning over SF in the Super Bowl.
You sure missed that.

Salty Dog 01-25-2023 02:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Jowawagner (Post 2178423)
The bigger the tv screen the more difference you can see with 4K. On smaller screens (e.g. 55 inches), not so much.
Who would have ever thought that someday we would consider 55 inch a small screen...:cool:

retiredguy123 01-25-2023 02:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Salty Dog (Post 2179798)
Who would have ever thought that someday we would consider 55 inch a small screen...:cool:
Exactly. The monitor for my desktop computer is 32 inches. I'm thinking about upgrading my 75-inch Sony TV to an 83-inch LG OLED. Only 4 grand at Sam's Club and Best Buy. The 75-inch will go into my bedroom. Then, what will I do with the 60-inch Samsung in the bedroom? It won't fit in my second bedroom.

photo1902 01-25-2023 03:01 PM
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Originally Posted by retiredguy123 (Post 2179805)
Exactly. The monitor for my desktop computer is 32 inches. I'm thinking about upgrading my 75-inch Sony TV to an 83-inch LG OLED. Only 4 grand at Sam's Club and Best Buy. The 75-inch will go into my bedroom. Then, what will I do with the 60-inch Samsung in the bedroom? It won't fit in my second bedroom.
I like the way you think, RG123!


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