Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 1938733)

Attesting, according to the dictionary, means you state that something is true. If the requirement was for proof then the CDC should have used a different word such as "document."

Of course, what the CDC writes and how that gets interpreted or implemented can be entirely different.

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 1939296)

Perhaps you are missing the math.

If 6% of the people who WANT to be passengers are not fully vaccinated or can't show proof of it, then 1/6 of those people will be told their presence is not welcome aboard.

You are a member of that 6%. So you might be culled from the herd at the last minute. They'll probably put you on a waiting list, if you refuse to show proof of immunity. And then, when all the people who DO have vaccines are assigned their staterooms, they'll call you and tell you you're either a) a lucky passenger who gets to go or b) sorry no room at the inn.

Originally Posted by Tmarkwald (Post 1939301)

When I called and asked about this, they said that a small percentage of people (<1%) have an allergic reaction to shot #1 and that this gave the leeway for people who only had 1 shot out of the 2 shot regimen. All passengers will still have to provide proof. And the allergic reaction is documented along with the original shot on both the card and the state records.

And, with something like 67% protection from a single shot, it still make the chance of an infection extremely unlikely.

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 1939299)

YOU don't have to attest anything at all.

The SHIP has to attest it. And they will cover THEIR butts by requiring proof from their passengers, so that their testimony (which is what it's called when you attest to someone) is based on evidence, not on guestimations.

While some people have no problem with fudging facts to fit their narrative and bypass rules to do whatever they want and to hell with the rules and the needs of the many, most people will either comply honestly, or bow out of the experience entirely.

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 1939313)

There are also kids, who can't get vaccinated because they're under the recommended minimum age. You have to account for them being potential passengers as well. They can't have proof of being allergic since that's not the case at all. But their passports/birth certificates would be proof that they are exempt from being vaccinated.

Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 1939314)

The needs of the many have already been satisfied, it is the needs of the few that are being catered to now. The many have had their vaccinations and are almost entirely safe from the virus. Those who are unsafe are those who have now actively chosen not to be vaccinated.

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 1939313)

There are also kids, who can't get vaccinated because they're under the recommended minimum age. You have to account for them being potential passengers as well. They can't have proof of being allergic since that's not the case at all. But their passports/birth certificates would be proof that they are exempt from being vaccinated.

Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 1939347)

Several problems with using children as leverage but let's try this.... What is the recommended minimum age in July when ships *might* start sailing or 2022 when ships will likely be sailing? My crystal ball doesn't work that well but I know I saw a headline suggesting the minimum age might be 12 before the end of the month.