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Arl 05-08-2021 08:05 AM
Sorry i don’t agree people should decide if they want the vaccine or not.
It should not be mandatory. This vaccine is experimental and some people have allergies
To many things so should not be forced on anyone. For those who chose to have it
that’s fine but for those who chose not to should also be fine.

Pat2015 05-08-2021 08:06 AM
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Originally Posted by msilagy (Post 1941112)
I totally agree with....Eliminate any self-serve food or drink options, such as buffets, salad bars, and drink stations. This limits the use of shared serving utensils, handles, buttons, or touchscreens .....as many people have gotten sick over the years and outbreaks on ships have occurred because of what is stated. However you know that the 6 ft distancing and all the mask wearing will not be adhered to - it's not in the real world on land in restaurants now and many venues. At first it may be strict but that will lessen over the months when COVID is less and less and possibly we get herd immunity. As they say don't get your shorts in a bunch over this!
The CDC guidelines are overly restrictive for a ship full of vaccinated people, and no one wants to do grab and go food, sit at the pool with a mask on, or take bits of food with mask wearing in between while having a three course dinner in the dining room on a cruise ship. If it’s the intent of the CDC to keep the industry shut down, then these measures will certainly accomplish that goal. I will get on a cruise ship again when these rules are lifted.

tuccillo 05-08-2021 08:18 AM
The vaccine is not mandatory; nobody is forcing you be vaccinated. However, you may soon find traveling outside the US and it's territories to be more difficult, or nearly impossible, without a vaccination. I fully understand why things will be moving in this direction: cruise lines and foreign countries do not want the burden of providing healthcare in case you develop COVID. Things are going to be different from now on.

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Originally Posted by Arl (Post 1941196)
Sorry i don’t agree people should decide if they want the vaccine or not.
It should not be mandatory. This vaccine is experimental and some people have allergies
To many things so should not be forced on anyone. For those who chose to have it
that’s fine but for those who chose not to should also be fine.

Darield 05-08-2021 08:31 AM
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Originally Posted by tophcfa (Post 1940996)
It doesn’t seem unrealistic to me to take extra precautions when lots of people are trapped on a floating Petri dish.
It's a matter of free choice. It's also a matter of precautions that are so restrictive that no one can enjoy themselves. If a vaccine is effective against the virus and vaccines are now available to everyone, then it's a personal choice to take a vacation on a cruise ship. They are not trapped, they chose it!

The same goes with masks. Since we all have access to get vaccinated, those who choose not to wear a mask, shouldn't have to. Those who make a personal choice not to get vaccinated should be allowed to make that choice. We should all be able to accept the consequences of our personal decisions. It feels as if the government is being restrictive to the point of absurdity. The politicalization of our freedom of choice feels scary and many feel that our personal freedoms are being threatened.

billethkid 05-08-2021 08:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Darield (Post 1941210)
It's a matter of free choice. It's also a matter of precautions that are so restrictive that no one can enjoy themselves. If a vaccine is effective against the virus and vaccines are now available to everyone, then it's a personal choice to take a vacation on a cruise ship. They are not trapped, they chose it!

The same goes with masks. Since we all have access to get vaccinated, those who choose not to wear a mask, shouldn't have to. Those who make a personal choice not to get vaccinated should be allowed to make that choice. We should all be able to accept the consequences of our personal decisions. It feels as if the government is being restrictive to the point of absurdity. The politicalization of our freedom of choice feels scary and many feel that our personal freedoms are being threatened.
It would then follow that those who choose not to get vaccinated will not object to cruise lines (or any other business) that requires vaccination to participate.

Same as "requiring" a passport.
NO PASSPORT.....NO GET ON SHIP!!

billyb1950 05-08-2021 08:56 AM
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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 1940972)
Convince the governor of that. He has FORBIDDEN cruiselines from requiring vaccinations.
I'm not so sure he has FORBIDDEN a requirement for vaccinations, masks, or any other PPE. He leaves it to the private sector to determine their own precautions and rules. Isn't the cruise business a private entity?

Indydealmaker 05-08-2021 08:57 AM
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Originally Posted by GrumpyOldMan (Post 1940993)
And can you back up the claim that only a minor trusts the CDC? Because I looked around and can find NO evidence of that.
Try reading Gracie's post #13.

hrenner 05-08-2021 10:34 AM
Read the research
Trust has fallen, but still a big Majority trust CDC.

Joe C. 05-08-2021 10:43 AM
Only congress can pass laws.. The CDC can recommend rules and regulations, but I don't believe that they can ENFORCE them. Now if these asinine regulations on cruise lines are too much, then maybe the cruise lines should move their port headquarters to the Bahamas and include airfare from Florida to the Bahamas in their prices. Then they wouldn't be subject to those rules.
Or better yet, maybe Uncle Sam should DEFUND THE CDC !!! Wouldn't that be great !

Pat2015 05-08-2021 03:08 PM
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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 1941268)
Dr. Fauci is a national treasure. And people that knock him probably never did 1/10 of the hard work that he has done to improve American health and world health. Better to blame the sun for rising in the morning than to knock Dr. Fauci.
He is also the same guy in Feb 2020 that said that COVID wasn’t going to be a problem in our country, and he April 2020 says no one should be wearing a mask. He was wrong about COVID yet still leads the effort here in the US and is paid more than the President to offer his opinions that have been wrong.

jimjamuser 05-08-2021 04:23 PM
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Originally Posted by nick demis (Post 1941080)
It's very simple, this government doesn't care about business. All the cruise lines should abandon the US market and the US can kiss off all the revenues it gets from them. Most people have to fly to a cruise port so now they will just fly to a foreign country and help their economy.
Which government does NOT care about business? ALL governments, all over the world care about their business sector. Economics means everything to even China and Russia. Wall St. does NOT miss a beat no matter which party is in power in the Federal Government. In fact, a little know fact is that on average the US stock market, historically, has done better under Democratic leadership. Don't believe me - check it out!!!!!!

jimjamuser 05-08-2021 04:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Villages Kahuna (Post 1941114)
Yep, I’m really impressed by criticism of the recommended travel restrictions issued by the CDC by a travel agent. I’m sure your qualifications equal those of the doctors and epidemiology experts at the CDC.

TOTV readers should be reminded that as of this morning less than 1/3 of Americans have been vaccinated.
Yes, pre-CV "normal" reality is STILL a long way away. People can pretend, and hope, and whine, But there are STILL more questions than answers - and very little co-operation. And a lot of bad behavior and deniers.

jimjamuser 05-08-2021 04:48 PM
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Originally Posted by merrymini (Post 1941172)
The cdc and who have no credibility because they lie. Once you lie, like they did, and that includes fauci, why should I ever believe anything they say going forward? These shots are experimental and have not had the test of time or any of the other precautions normally given to new procedures. Florida has done very well under the current administration.
Florida could do better! And Dr. Fauci is a national treasure!

jimjamuser 05-08-2021 05:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Patriceunger (Post 1941380)
He is also the same guy in Feb 2020 that said that COVID wasn’t going to be a problem in our country, and he April 2020 says no one should be wearing a mask. He was wrong about COVID yet still leads the effort here in the US and is paid more than the President to offer his opinions that have been wrong.
Science changes. It is a new CV. It will keep changing. There are no easy solutions and facts for everybody to cling to and grasp desperately at.


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