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Taltarzac725 07-27-2014 08:51 AM

Have been thinking about this. How God sees the future.
 
Does God Know Everything Before It Happens?

I have been thinking a lot about this over the past few weeks. If God can see every action we are going to make in our futures and how these relate to the futures of everyone else, does this mean that is the best of all possible worlds available to us? It is enough to give one a headache.

Maybe Immanuel Kant was right in that we impose space and time on things and these would have no limitation on God. http://www.iep.utm.edu/kantmeta/

tedquick 07-27-2014 09:12 AM

An interesting question!
 
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Originally Posted by Taltarzac725 (Post 914112)
Does God Know Everything Before It Happens?

I have been thinking a lot about this over the past few weeks. If God can see every action we are going to make in our futures and how these relate to the futures of everyone else, does this mean that is the best of all possible worlds available to us? It is enough to give one a headache.

Maybe Immanuel Kant was right in that we impose space and time on things and these would have no limitation on God. Kant, Immanuel: Metaphysics*[Internet Encyclopedia of Philosophy]

What a fabulous question! I believe that since God, living in His "top dimension" is not restricted by the time or space constraints that we have, knows all and sees all. And yes, He knows every move that we are going to make and the path/s that we will take. It is, indeed, "the best of all possible worlds available to us". He knows and we get to find out. He has created something so far above my ability to understand it that I am continually amazed. But then I remember -- He is God!!!

Dr Winston O Boogie jr 07-27-2014 10:34 AM

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Isaiah 55:8-11, “For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways,” declares the LORD. “As the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways and my thoughts than your thoughts.
And yet we keep trying.

zcaveman 07-27-2014 11:01 AM

I believe that God has a book with your birth date and your death date.

What you decide to do with your life between these dates is your own doing. You can stay on a righteous path and please God by following the bible or what ever precepts your religion adheres to or you can fall off the path by getting waylaid by the devil's ways - as was Eve in the Garden of Eden.

Hopefully, those that wander off the path to Heaven will see the light and get back on the right path before the death date arrives.

Z

rubicon 07-27-2014 11:27 AM

God is a concept a thought,a feeling. A person's belief shapes who God is and what he can do. I once asked a priest this question. It is said that God can do anything and all things. The priest said this is true. So, I replied how do you interpret this question. If God can do anything can He build a boulder so heavy that even he could not pick it up? The priest took umbrage at my question. He misunderstood my intent. He regained his composure and then suggested the question was cheap trickery.

I had always believed that such a statement about God can be constructed because humans think too often in linear terms or because we think of events in a dichotomy. Essentially like every person ever born I too have struggled with this concept of God. I have come to a compromise with myself that i will never know the truth while my heart beats. If God exists he knows my heart and if he knows my heart and He does exist then my future is in his safe hands

PS Anyone interested in explaining the boulder puzzle?

TheVillageChicken 07-27-2014 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by rubicon (Post 914216)
God is a concept a thought,a feeling. A person's belief shapes who God is and what he can do. I once asked a priest this question. It is said that God can do anything and all things. The priest said this is true. So, I replied how do you interpret this question. If God can do anything can He build a boulder so heavy that even he could not pick it up? The priest took umbrage at my question. He misunderstood my intent. He regained his composure and then suggested the question was cheap trickery.

I had always believed that such a statement about God can be constructed because humans think too often in linear terms or because we think of events in a dichotomy. Essentially like every person ever born I too have struggled with this concept of God. I have come to a compromise with myself that i will never know the truth while my heart beats. If God exists he knows my heart and if he knows my heart and He does exist then my future is in his safe hands

PS Anyone interested in explaining the boulder puzzle?

That question, known as the "omnipotence paradox," is asked by every philosophy professor to every freshman class.

folkh 07-27-2014 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by tedquick (Post 914123)
what a fabulous question! I believe that since god, living in his "top dimension" is not restricted by the time or space constraints that we have, knows all and sees all. And yes, he knows every move that we are going to make and the path/s that we will take. It is, indeed, "the best of all possible worlds available to us". He knows and we get to find out. He has created something so far above my ability to understand it that i am continually amazed. But then i remember -- he is god!!!

amen!!

Abby10 07-27-2014 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by rubicon (Post 914216)
God is a concept a thought,a feeling. A person's belief shapes who God is and what he can do. I once asked a priest this question. It is said that God can do anything and all things. The priest said this is true. So, I replied how do you interpret this question. If God can do anything can He build a boulder so heavy that even he could not pick it up? The priest took umbrage at my question. He misunderstood my intent. He regained his composure and then suggested the question was cheap trickery.

I had always believed that such a statement about God can be constructed because humans think too often in linear terms or because we think of events in a dichotomy. Essentially like every person ever born I too have struggled with this concept of God. I have come to a compromise with myself that i will never know the truth while my heart beats. If God exists he knows my heart and if he knows my heart and He does exist then my future is in his safe hands

PS Anyone interested in explaining the boulder puzzle?

I'il give it a shot, Rubicon. My answer would be yes, God could build a boulder that heavy. But then I would go further to ask, if He so chooses could He actually lift it? My answer to that would be yes, also. Why? Because I believe that God can do ALL things, and although my answers might not make sense to any human, it represents the mystery of God and the fact that at least while we are still on this earth, we will never be able to know ALL things as He does. And that is why Dr Boogie's Scripture quote above is so appropriate and worth repeating here-

Isaiah 55:8-11, “For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways,” declares the LORD. “As the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways and my thoughts than your thoughts."

redwitch 07-27-2014 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by TheVillageChicken (Post 914231)
That question, known as the "omnipotence paradox," is asked by every philosophy professor to every freshman class.

Was never asked by my philosophy prof. Just asked , "Why?", first day of class and told us we had until the end of the year to answer it. Easy A.

tucson 07-27-2014 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by rubicon (Post 914216)
God is a concept a thought,a feeling. A person's belief shapes who God is and what he can do. I once asked a priest this question. It is said that God can do anything and all things. The priest said this is true. So, I replied how do you interpret this question. If God can do anything can He build a boulder so heavy that even he could not pick it up? The priest took umbrage at my question. He misunderstood my intent. He regained his composure and then suggested the question was cheap trickery.

I had always believed that such a statement about God can be constructed because humans think too often in linear terms or because we think of events in a dichotomy. Essentially like every person ever born I too have struggled with this concept of God. I have come to a compromise with myself that i will never know the truth while my heart beats. If God exists he knows my heart and if he knows my heart and He does exist then my future is in his safe hands

PS Anyone interested in explaining the boulder puzzle?

God created land and plants;

Genesis 1:9-13 On the 3rd day of creation God gathered the water together so that dry land would appear on the earth. This was the first time for clay, sand, mountains and stones. On the land God placed all kinds of vegetation.

2BNTV 07-27-2014 02:48 PM

He knows every hair on our head, and every sparrow that falls from the sky.

"With men, this is impossible. With GOD all things are possible".

New version, "Man plans, GOD laughs".

2BNTV 07-27-2014 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by tedquick (Post 914123)
What a fabulous question! I believe that since God, living in His "top dimension" is not restricted by the time or space constraints that we have, knows all and sees all. And yes, He knows every move that we are going to make and the path/s that we will take. It is, indeed, "the best of all possible worlds available to us". He knows and we get to find out. He has created something so far above my ability to understand it that I am continually amazed. But then I remember -- He is God!!!



Excellent post!!!

GOD sure does work in mysterious ways!!!

Taltarzac725 07-27-2014 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by 2BNTV;91***1
He knows every hair on our head, and every sparrow that falls from the sky.

"With men, this is impossible. With GOD all things are possible".

New version, "Man plans, GOD laughs".

Go! Cubs! Go! - YouTube

And the Cubs' fans keep singing this song hoping to get the first WS since 1908.

Maybe, God does not play baseball? LOL

2BNTV 07-27-2014 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Taltarzac725;91***9
Go! Cubs! Go! - YouTube

And the Cubs' fans keep singing this song hoping to get the first WS since 1908.

Maybe, God does not play baseball? LOL

Cubs are my NL favorite team.

106 and still counting.

Steve Bartman, (barf man), is not a Cubs fan, or he wouldn't have interfered with that ball, and cost the Cubs a chance, at the World Series.

nuff said..... back to GOD.

Cedwards38 07-27-2014 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by redwitch (Post 914239)
Was never asked by my philosophy prof. Just asked , "Why?", first day of class and told us we had until the end of the year to answer it. Easy A.

Because?


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