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sbeaud 03-25-2024 12:21 PM

Question on how to eliminate flood insurance
 
We bought a house in Newell last year and have a mortgage on it. The lender requires flood insurance since the FEMA maps show a portion of the property in the “Zone A” (High Risk) flood plain (it's next to a preserve area). Of course the developer did not build on a flood plain, they filled in and elevated our area above the flood plain/Zone A. But the FEMA maps are the official document that the lender/insurer recognize and it does not reflect the revised topography. We have heard that the FEMA map will be updated eventually, but we don’t know when (online maps suggest the current one is from 2012). Some questions:

1. Is there a way to have FEMA update the map? There is an “Online Letter of Map Change” on the FEMA site, but there is a charge of $325-$425.

2. Is there an alternative way to have this done at no cost?

nyjets53 05-18-2024 06:00 PM

What did you end up doing

Stu from NYC 05-18-2024 06:15 PM

Unless someone came up with a better idea I would pay the charge

BrianL99 05-18-2024 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by sbeaud (Post 2315341)
We bought a house in Newell last year and have a mortgage on it. The lender requires flood insurance since the FEMA maps show a portion of the property in the “Zone A” (High Risk) flood plain (it's next to a preserve area). Of course the developer did not build on a flood plain, they filled in and elevated our area above the flood plain/Zone A. But the FEMA maps are the official document that the lender/insurer recognize and it does not reflect the revised topography. We have heard that the FEMA map will be updated eventually, but we don’t know when (online maps suggest the current one is from 2012). Some questions:

1. Is there a way to have FEMA update the map? There is an “Online Letter of Map Change” on the FEMA site, but there is a charge of $325-$425.

2. Is there an alternative way to have this done at no cost?


If there's a way to do it for no cost, I've never heard of it.

I suspect trying to do it yourself will cost you more than $300-$400 before your done.

You could also hire a Land Surveyor or Registered Professional Engineer, who can do it for you, on the spot ... provided you have the proper documentation.

You could have a long wait before the FEMA map is re-drawn and even then, don't count on it being 100% accurate for random properties.

If you used an attorney for closing, you must have been made aware of the fact that you're in a Flood Zone?

shaw8700@outlook.com 05-18-2024 07:06 PM

You’ll be glad if you ever have any water that gets inside your house.

villagetinker 05-18-2024 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by BrianL99 (Post 2332539)
If there's a way to do it for no cost, I've never heard of it.

I suspect trying to do it yourself will cost you more than $300-$400 before your done.

You could also hire a Land Surveyor or Registered Professional Engineer, who can do it for you, on the spot ... provided you have the proper documentation.

You could have a long wait before the FEMA map is re-drawn and even then, don't count on it being 100% accurate for random properties.

If you used an attorney for closing, you must have been made aware of the fact that you're in a Flood Zone?

That may have been a flood zone prior to the regrading for development. I think the OP has a valid point, when these areas are developed, the flood plain should be resurveyed. If there is any documentation from 2015 when IRMA came through you might be able to use that if this area was not flooded.

BrianL99 05-18-2024 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by villagetinker (Post 2332542)
That may have been a flood zone prior to the regrading for development. I think the OP has a valid point, when these areas are developed, the flood plain should be resurveyed. If there is any documentation from 2015 when IRMA came through you might be able to use that if this area was not flooded.


If I'm not mistaken, when the development of that area was done, the design engineer could have had the designation changed fairly easily, by submitting the proper documentation. Which makes me wonder if there's not more to the story.

PersonOfInterest 05-19-2024 03:27 AM

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Originally Posted by sbeaud (Post 2315341)
We bought a house in Newell last year and have a mortgage on it. The lender requires flood insurance since the FEMA maps show a portion of the property in the “Zone A” (High Risk) flood plain (it's next to a preserve area). Of course the developer did not build on a flood plain, they filled in and elevated our area above the flood plain/Zone A. But the FEMA maps are the official document that the lender/insurer recognize and it does not reflect the revised topography. We have heard that the FEMA map will be updated eventually, but we don’t know when (online maps suggest the current one is from 2012). Some questions:

1. Is there a way to have FEMA update the map? There is an “Online Letter of Map Change” on the FEMA site, but there is a charge of $325-$425.

2. Is there an alternative way to have this done at no cost?

Our house is also in a flood plain and we pay yearly Flood Insurance. I also looked into this 2 years ago. From what I found the developer does submit 'change of elevation' to FEMA, but that is not enough for FEMA to change the map. It could be 10 yrs or more before FEMA revises the map. My conclusion after spending hours doing research is that this is another governmental 'Rip Off' that leaves the consumer holding the bag with no reasonable recourse. Our flood insurance is $700 / year.

BrianL99 05-19-2024 03:46 AM

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If I'm not mistaken, when the development of that area was done, the design engineer could have had the designation changed fairly easily, by submitting the proper documentation. Which makes me wonder if there's not more to the story.

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Originally Posted by PersonOfInterest (Post 2332560)
Our house is also in a flood plain and we pay yearly Flood Insurance. I also looked into this 2 years ago. From what I found the developer does submit 'change of elevation' to FEMA, but that is not enough for FEMA to change the map. It could be 10 yrs or more before FEMA revises the map. My conclusion after spending hours doing research is that this is another governmental 'Rip Off' that leaves the consumer holding the bag with no reasonable recourse. Our flood insurance is $700 / year.

If the Developer went through the process (which is not overly onerous, there should be a letter. See attached

Rainger99 05-19-2024 04:23 AM

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Originally Posted by BrianL99 (Post 2332561)
If the Developer went through the process (which is not overly onerous, there should be a letter. See attached

Nothing is attached. Can other people see the attachment?

BrianL99 05-19-2024 06:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Rainger99 (Post 2332569)
Nothing is attached. Can other people see the attachment?

I can't even see it and I posted it. I'll try it again.

[FEMA doesn't necessarily "change the map", but will issue the letter.]

dewilson58 05-19-2024 06:29 AM

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Originally Posted by sbeaud (Post 2315341)
We bought a house in Newell last year and have a mortgage on it. The lender requires flood insurance since the FEMA maps show a portion of the property in the “Zone A” (High Risk) flood plain (it's next to a preserve area). Of course the developer did not build on a flood plain, they filled in and elevated our area above the flood plain/Zone A. But the FEMA maps are the official document that the lender/insurer recognize and it does not reflect the revised topography. We have heard that the FEMA map will be updated eventually, but we don’t know when (online maps suggest the current one is from 2012). Some questions:

1. Is there a way to have FEMA update the map? There is an “Online Letter of Map Change” on the FEMA site, but there is a charge of $325-$425.

2. Is there an alternative way to have this done at no cost?

Make sure you understand coverage before eliminating.

frayedends 05-19-2024 06:59 AM

I have the same situation in lake Denham. We were told the map updates would take only a couple of months. Of course it’s been 8 months and no change yet.

Who is ever using for insurance/flood insurance ? We went with Kin. The Villages insurance wanted like $2000 extra for flood. Kin was only $300 extra. Same coverage. But I’ve heard bad things about Kin if anything happens and that our premium will skyrocket after the first year.

Michael G. 05-19-2024 09:29 AM

If you think about it, isn't the whole state of Florida a flood plane??
We have to be at sea level or slightly above.

gatorbill1 05-19-2024 09:38 AM

It all depends on your elevation or height above flood level


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