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Topgun 1776 08-13-2024 06:16 AM

Ponds Looking Horrible! What has happened?
 
Many of the ponds have excessive algae and invasive plant growth taking over the waterways. This is the worst I've ever seen The Villages ponds look. I've heard a new vendor came in because they were cheaper. Is this now the new norm...to have substandard waterbodies? I guess you get what you don't pay for!!!

Marathon Man 08-13-2024 06:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Topgun 1776 (Post 2359545)
Many of the ponds have excessive algae and invasive plant growth taking over the waterways. This is the worst I've ever seen The Villages ponds look. I've heard a new vendor came in because they were cheaper. Is this now the new norm...to have substandard waterbodies? I guess you get what you don't pay for!!!

Beware the old 'I've heard' info. If you want something more reliable, you can attend the next meeting of your CDD board and asking there.

ThirdOfFive 08-13-2024 07:21 AM

Don't look any different to me, other than fuller after Debby.

Bogie Shooter 08-13-2024 07:26 AM

I heard it rained a lot stirring things up.

Triker 08-13-2024 07:37 AM

Yes they look nasty. The villages does not guarantee the water when they offer the waterfront/view lots at premium price. Welcome to the Villages!

golfing eagles 08-13-2024 07:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Triker (Post 2359598)
Yes they look nasty. The villages does not guarantee the water when they premium price the waterfront/view lots. Welcome to the Villages!

Maybe that's because "the developer" does not control the weather??????

vintageogauge 08-13-2024 08:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Triker (Post 2359598)
Yes they look nasty. The villages does not guarantee the water when they premium price the waterfront/view lots. Welcome to the Villages!

They don't guarantee the ponds to hold water but most of them do. They do however maintain the ponds and if you call them regarding plant growth they will take care of it. Our pond is really nice and has been for the last couple years not having any algae or plant problems. Well worth the premium price to enjoy the view, nature, wildlife, and peacefulness of the environment. Much better than on a golf course which we were glad to move away from after 13 years of having no privacy.

Stu from NYC 08-13-2024 08:06 AM

Bonita pond looks fine just very full

OrangeBlossomBaby 08-13-2024 08:07 AM

What they -could- do, is impose a "Seasonal Fishing Only" rule, and enforce it, and introduce algae-eating fish to the retention ponds. Once the rainy season subsides and the ponds start returning to normal depth (or drying out, as some do), they open fishing season and tell everyone it's catch and keep, no more catch and release.

That way you don't have to introduce toxic chemicals into the water to kill the algae caused by man-made retention ponds filling up with runoff rainwater.

dadspet 08-13-2024 08:13 AM

Pond on SweetGum beautiful
 
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Originally Posted by Topgun 1776 (Post 2359545)
Many of the ponds have excessive algae and invasive plant growth taking over the waterways. This is the worst I've ever seen The Villages ponds look. I've heard a new vendor came in because they were cheaper. Is this now the new norm...to have substandard waterbodies? I guess you get what you don't pay for!!!

The pond behind our house on sweetgum is perhaps higher but beautiful as ever.

BrianL99 08-13-2024 08:22 AM

So this is a very interesting and (IMO) a huge issue.

When I met with Mitch Leninger last year regarding golf course maintenance, I casually mentioned this to him. It is NOT within Mitch's purview, but having dealt with this situation for many years at golf course, I brought it up, as there's some interaction between golf course maintenance and pond/impoundment health.

(I'm going to use the words "ponds", when talking about the various areas of TV that hold water).

Ponds need consistent movement and aeration, to remain "ponds". Without movement and aeration, the can become choked with aquatic growth and at some point, almost completely atrophy and at the worse produce excessive methane gas.

From a more simplistic viewpoint, the increase in aquatic growth, changes the value of the ponds as wildlife habitat and water impoundment areas (marshes support different flora and fauna that open water). That's not to even mention the aesthetic degradation.

The pond on the approached to the 17th green at TDS has been choked off considerably, since I started playing there, 4 years ago. Just a guess, but I'd said that area has lost at least 30% of its "open area".

The ponds at Palmer seem to have lost at least 30%-40% of their "open water". Lake Sumter seems to be closing in on becoming a "swamp". The boat trips now go out to the middle and travel around in a little circle.

I don't claim to be an expert on ponds or water impoundments, but do have a reasonable amount of experience with drainage and wetland activities. That said, I think this is going to become a huge issue for TV in the very near future. Keep in mind, this is a District issue, as they maintain the drainage appurtenances. Those pesky "maintenance fees" people have been talking about, will be at issue.

There are generally 3 things (that I know of) that adversely effect drainage impoundments: 1) increased nitrogen (fertilizers), 2) lack of aeration, 3) lack of movement (which relates to 2).

What can be done? Again, not trying to be an expert, I just know a little.

EVERY culvert, drainage swale and pipe in TV should be subject to a regular maintenance schedule, to keep them clean and free-running. That's imperative. The volume and velocity at which water runs through a pipe is calculated based on size, hydraulic head, surface type of the pipe and a few other things (Manning's Equation). Once even a small amount of debris, weeds, growth, rocks, whatever becomes stuck in a pipe, swale or ditch, the water velocity slows down. 2 things result. Potential erosion and the drainage system no longer functions as designed, because the water isn't running fast enough (not enough nor fast enough movement).

The other thing that has to be done, is we have to work harder at preventing nutrients from entering the water impoundment areas. Fertilizers, particularly.

I think TV should immediate start removing aquatic weed growth from the ponds. There are company that specialize in this and somewhere you may have seen "weed harvesting" boats, pulling weeds out of shallower ponds (the more shallow a pond is, the harder it is to keep free of aquatic weeds).

Everyone who golfs, has seen "fountains" blowing water in the middle of golf course ponds. They are NOT there for decoration. They are necessary to aerate the water and prevent stagnation.

The Villages has one of the most sophisticated drainage systems I've ever seen. It's huge, complicated, expensive ... and in my opinion, not being properly maintained. This could very well become the next big expense/maintenance boondoggle in TV.

This is an interesting and important subject. I'm thrilled someone has actually brought it up, because it's been on my agenda for discussion since last year. I even wrote a letter to send to the District about it, but didn't send it as I was more focused on golf issues. BTW, if anyone is interested in taking up this cause with the District, I'm all in and willing to help in any way i can. This is a huge and important issue.

For anyone who would like some professional information about the subject, this a good article to read. I recently posted it on X, when a discussion of irrigation ponds was raised ("CountryClubSnob [Eldricks_hoes]" was claiming that the inclusion of "fountains" at golf courses, reeked of "phony prestige", not understanding that they are indeed a necessity.)

SL482/SS695: Stormwater Pond Management: What You Need to Know about Aeration

https://lakenpondpros.com/blogs/shopping-guides/pond-aeration-system

Keefelane66 08-13-2024 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Topgun 1776 (Post 2359545)
Many of the ponds have excessive algae and invasive plant growth taking over the waterways. This is the worst I've ever seen The Villages ponds look. I've heard a new vendor came in because they were cheaper. Is this now the new norm...to have substandard waterbodies? I guess you get what you don't pay for!!!

It’s all the fertilizer that runs off from yards and golf courses, but my lawn is green.

Pondboy 08-13-2024 09:55 AM

Yes, Last September a new contractor took over the bid for pond maintenance. They bid about $20.00 less per surface acre for pond maintenance vs everyone else. If I remember correctly, there are over 700 ponds in the Villages. So $20 per acre adds up. I think it’s a million dollar bid (total) if I’m not mistaken.

The maintenance includes shoreline weed control, submersed vegetation control, cleaning up fish kills as well as picking up shoreline trash.

I would like to add that there are also good ponds….those that are in balance and don’t need much in the way of treatment for algae or submersed vegetation. Then there are the bad ponds, those that are out of balance and have a lot of excess nutrients that cause algae blooms. So if your lucky to live on a good pond, you have not seen much, if any change. If you’re on a bad pond….well you know.


I can only suggest contacting district property management. If that does not work, call someone on your CDD’s board.

I’ve call Property management about 3 times on the same pond….I've given up.

graciegirl 08-13-2024 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Triker (Post 2359598)
Yes they look nasty. The villages does not guarantee the water when they premium price the waterfront/view lots. Welcome to the Villages!

I don't see any ugly ponds.

vintageogauge 08-13-2024 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 2359617)
What they -could- do, is impose a "Seasonal Fishing Only" rule, and enforce it, and introduce algae-eating fish to the retention ponds. Once the rainy season subsides and the ponds start returning to normal depth (or drying out, as some do), they open fishing season and tell everyone it's catch and keep, no more catch and release.

That way you don't have to introduce toxic chemicals into the water to kill the algae caused by man-made retention ponds filling up with runoff rainwater.

Introducing algae eating fish is akin to feeding the alligators and they would thank you for that. Just call and let them know there is excessive algae and they will take care of it. Problem solved.


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