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roadrnnr 12-03-2024 10:15 AM

ETF's at my age?
 
I've got a couple Hundred thousand from a house sale sitting in a MM Fund at 4.39% currently

Have been waiting for a correction to jump back in.

I am looking at 2 or three ETF's to put it in but at 68 is that a good Idea?

I have always been in Mutual Funds but ETF's after a lot of research sound like a Much better Idea.

any advice appreciated

retiredguy123 12-03-2024 10:23 AM

I have always invested in Vanguard index mutual funds. Now, they also sell ETFs, but I don't see much difference. Vanguard's expense ratios for their mutual funds are so low that any savings on ETFs would be insignificant. I think mutual funds are more appropriate for buy and hold investors than ETFs. ETFs are more appropriate for investors who like buy and sell often.

dewilson58 12-03-2024 11:26 AM

EFT's quicker in & out than MF's.

Stu from NYC 12-03-2024 01:42 PM

ETF is more tax efficient. Might be good for a portion of your assets

ltcdfancher 12-04-2024 07:30 AM

From my limited experience, a mutual fund and an ETF that both claim to track the same index will hold very similar if not the identical basket of equities in about the same percentages. The biggest difference between the two is how they are bought and sold. A mutual fund buy or sell order executes AFTER the market closes while a buy or sell order of an ETF executes as the open market allows. Stop loss and limit orders “work” on an ETF, for example.

Again, I am not an expert in this topic and I don’t even play one on television.

retiredguy123 12-04-2024 07:39 AM

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Originally Posted by ltcdfancher (Post 2390756)
From my limited experience, a mutual fund and an ETF that both claim to track the same index will hold very similar if not the identical basket of equities in about the same percentages. The biggest difference between the two is how they are bought and sold. A mutual fund buy or sell order executes AFTER the market closes while a buy or sell order of an ETF executes as the open market allows. Stop loss and limit orders “work” on an ETF, for example.

Again, I am not an expert in this topic and I don’t even play one on television.

I think you are correct, but none of those differences should be of concern to the average investor. I still invest in mutual funds, not ETFs.

CoachKandSportsguy 12-04-2024 08:14 AM

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Originally Posted by retiredguy123 (Post 2390758)
I think you are correct, but none of those differences should be of concern to the average investor. I still invest in mutual funds, not ETFs.

Due to the ETF tax efficiencies, the general rule of thumb is ETFs for taxable accounts and mutual funds for tax deferred IRAs/401Ks

The advantage of ETFs is that an individual can create an age/risk appropriate diversified portfolio which can return similar performance to active mgmt mutual funds, with the biggest advantage is controlling risk and tax implications. With a mutual fund, you are subjected to the portfolio managers tax decisions and costs.


If you want to see a simple, but well balanced, ETF portfolio at work is here
https://www.jpmorgan.com/content/dam...Report_JPM.pdf

you can follow along as well, and make this your benchmark portfolio to track your portfolio against.

good luck

JoelJohnson 12-04-2024 08:26 AM

I'm 74, and got very burnt in the "Dot Com" rage. Since then I've tried to obey something a finance professor said to us in class: "Don't invest beyond the sleeping point", in others words, if you so much invested you can't sleep, you have too much invested. That being said, I've gone with SCHD, with an expense ratio of only .06. You might not get rich with it, but you won't lose your shirt either.

kingofbeer 12-04-2024 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by roadrnnr (Post 2390550)
I've got a couple Hundred thousand from a house sale sitting in a MM Fund at 4.39% currently

Have been waiting for a correction to jump back in.

I am looking at 2 or three ETF's to put it in but at 68 is that a good Idea?

I have always been in Mutual Funds but ETF's after a lot of research sound like a Much better Idea.

any advice appreciated

It is nearly impossible to time the market. You could dollar cost average your money market fund into ETF'S.

retiredguy123 12-04-2024 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by CoachKandSportsguy (Post 2390771)
Due to the ETF tax efficiencies, the general rule of thumb is ETFs for taxable accounts and mutual funds for tax deferred IRAs/401Ks

The advantage of ETFs is that an individual can create an age/risk appropriate diversified portfolio which can return similar performance to active mgmt mutual funds, with the biggest advantage is controlling risk and tax implications. With a mutual fund, you are subjected to the portfolio managers tax decisions and costs.


If you want to see a simple, but well balanced, ETF portfolio at work is here
https://www.jpmorgan.com/content/dam...Report_JPM.pdf

you can follow along as well, and make this your benchmark portfolio to track your portfolio against.

good luck

Thanks. My stock portfolio consists almost entirely of the S&P 500 Index. Most of it is in the Vanguard S&P 500 index fund. I don't know much about ETFs, but it seems to me that, in the event that a volatile stock market event occurs, it could cause ETF investors to cash in large portions of their ETF investment, which would require the fund manager to sell off many stocks to raise the required cash. This would cause a disruption in the S&P balance and create a large capital gains distribution. I think this is less likely to happen with mutual funds because many investors are buy and hold investors, not active traders. My opinion. But, in any event, my portfolio has so much capital gain built in, that it would be foolish to convert to ETFs.

ResQme 12-04-2024 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by roadrnnr (Post 2390550)
I've got a couple Hundred thousand from a house sale sitting in a MM Fund at 4.39% currently

Have been waiting for a correction to jump back in.

I am looking at 2 or three ETF's to put it in but at 68 is that a good Idea?

I have always been in Mutual Funds but ETF's after a lot of research sound like a Much better Idea.

any advice appreciated

Not an advice, but just what I did... I'm 65 and I got rid of all my stocks and mutual funds (except for FAGIX; I'm just fond of it,) and switched to ETFs. My trio of ETFs are VOO, SCHD, and SCHG. I've bought some JEPQ just to see how it does.

CoachKandSportsguy 12-04-2024 09:28 AM

There are treasury and corporate debt ETFS as well, giving dividends, not interest, different tax structure.

roadrnnr 12-04-2024 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by JoelJohnson (Post 2390785)
I'm 74, and got very burnt in the "Dot Com" rage. Since then I've tried to obey something a finance professor said to us in class: "Don't invest beyond the sleeping point", in others words, if you so much invested you can't sleep, you have too much invested. That being said, I've gone with SCHD, with an expense ratio of only .06. You might not get rich with it, but you won't lose your shirt either.

That's One ETF I am thinking of putting a 1/3 in along with another 1/3 in VTI
Still looking for one for the final third that does not have a lot of overlap of the first two

Just not sure if I should get in now or wait for a correction of some sort since I am 68

roadrnnr 12-04-2024 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by kingofbeer (Post 2390808)
It is nearly impossible to time the market. You could dollar cost average your money market fund into ETF'S.

Thanks,

That is what I am staring to do slowly

ltcdfancher 12-04-2024 10:49 AM

I think that you will find the best strategy for putting a large sum into the market is to invest the whole pile at once. See this analysis from Vanguard published last year: https://corporate.vanguard.com/conte..._your_cash.pdf


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