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Villages PL 12-29-2012 03:14 PM

Newtown Shooter (no guns in this discussion please)
 
Have I missed something? I thought there was going to be an investigation to find a motive for the shooting. Did the shooter have a mental condition? I think I heard that his mother was thinking of committing him to some sort of institution. Or perhaps it was just a threat.

I think I heard that she compared him to her students. She might have bragged about how good they were and then perhaps wondered why he couldn't be more like them. That would explain a lot.

I have a hunch: What if they both had a mental condition that went undiagnosed. For example, what if they both had undiagnosed Asperger's syndrome? It has been known to run in families, right?

Tom Grooms 12-29-2012 03:19 PM

Fyi, His mother had zero connection to the school

BobnBev 12-29-2012 04:14 PM

Investigations
 
FYI, investigations take more than an hour (as seen on TV). The facts will come out when the investigation is complete. It can't be rushed if it's gonna be through. I have no idea where you get your information from, but it certainly isn't a reliable source. No more rumors please.:sigh:

janmcn 12-29-2012 04:26 PM

This investigation is going to take months to complete. Law enforcement has hundreds of people to question, and questioning all the children involved will have to be done in the most thoughtful way possible.

The public may never know the shooter's motive. He destroyed his computer, his mother is dead, he had severed relationships with his father and brother, and it's been reported that he had no friends.

rubicon 12-29-2012 04:31 PM

The police, school, town will be very careful as to how they release information, when they release information, etc. because as sure as the sun will rise tomorrow lawsuits will plague this town. The plaintiff attorneys will sue any potential defendants that had even a remote connection to this incident including the gun manufacturers, ammuntion manufacturer, and the medical community that had any connection to the shooter police, school etc.

Taltarzac725 12-29-2012 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by janmcn (Post 601023)
This investigation is going to take months to complete. Law enforcement has hundreds of people to question, and questioning all the children involved will have to be done in the most thoughtful way possible.

The public may never know the shooter's motive. He destroyed his computer, his mother is dead, he had severed relationships with his father and brother, and it's been reported that he had no friends.

Good points. Let us just see what comes out of the investigation. Do not believe that no one else talked to him at some time leading up to the December 14, 2012 tragedy. He may not have had any close friends but his demeanor at other places like movie theaters, computer game stores, shooting ranges, churches, grocery stores and the like could reveal something.

Swampy 12-29-2012 05:08 PM

Asperger's syndrome
 
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Originally Posted by Villages PL (Post 600995)
Have I missed something? I thought there was going to be an investigation to find a motive for the shooting. Did the shooter have a mental condition? I think I heard that his mother was thinking of committing him to some sort of institution. Or perhaps it was just a threat.

I think I heard that she compared him to her students. She might have bragged about how good they were and then perhaps wondered why he couldn't be more like them. That would explain a lot.

I have a hunch: What if they both had a mental condition that went undiagnosed. For example, what if they both had undiagnosed Asperger's syndrome? It has been known to run in families, right?

Just wanted to point out that Asperger's syndrome does NOT produce the inclination to commit mass murder. However, there are unrelated mental conditions that can trigger violent and bizzare behavior. Please do not confuse those conditions with Asperger's syndrome. People with Asperger's syndrome have a tough enough time getting by without being pegged as potential massd murderers. They often lack what we consider normal social skills, and so they can stand out like a sore thumb, but it does not affect their moral antenna.While I am not a mental health professional, if you were to check with a competent mental health professional I'm sure he or she would confirm the accuracy of this response.

Swampy

Swampy

graciegirl 12-29-2012 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by swampy (Post 601038)
just wanted to point out that asperger's syndrome does not produce the inclination to commit mass murder. However, there are unrelated mental conditions that can trigger violent and bizzare behavior. Please do not confuse those conditions with asperger's syndrome. People with asperger's syndrome have a tough enough time getting by without being pegged as potential massd murderers. They often lack what we consider normal social skills, and so they can stand out like a sore thumb, but it does not affect their moral antenna.while i am not a mental health professional, if you were to check with a competent mental health professional i'm sure he or she would confirm the accuracy of this response.

Swampy

swampy

amen!

Jim&Fran 12-29-2012 06:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Villages PL (Post 600995)
Have I missed something? I thought there was going to be an investigation to find a motive for the shooting. Did the shooter have a mental condition? I think I heard that his mother was thinking of committing him to some sort of institution. Or perhaps it was just a threat.

I think I heard that she compared him to her students. She might have bragged about how good they were and then perhaps wondered why he couldn't be more like them. That would explain a lot.

I have a hunch: What if they both had a mental condition that went undiagnosed. For example, what if they both had undiagnosed Asperger's syndrome? It has been known to run in families, right?

Interesting language in your post...... "have I missed something?"
"I thought" ..... "I think I heard" ......."did the shooter have a mental condition?" "I think I heard that she,....... etc."
"I have a hunch.... What if they both had a mental condition etc."

Sounds like you played too many games of Clue.....
Can we all stick to facts and then find truth?

Taltarzac725 12-29-2012 06:55 PM

This might be of interest. National Institute of Health on Aspergers.
 
Asperger Syndrome Information Page: National Institute of Neurological Disorders and Stroke (NINDS)

List of famous people who MIGHT have had Aspergers. That is a big MIGHT though. http://www.disabled-world.com/artman...cle_2086.shtml

Bobbie416 12-29-2012 07:06 PM

Thank you for clearing up the issue regarding Aspergers syndrome. I would say that it is fairly obvious that the shooter suffered from some kind of mental illness or how could he have done what he did? However, people with Aspergers are not a danger to society. A very good example of someone with Aspergers, I believe, is Sheldon on Big Bang Theory.

Cantwaittoarrive 12-30-2012 08:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Swampy (Post 601038)
Just wanted to point out that Asperger's syndrome does NOT produce the inclination to commit mass murder. However, there are unrelated mental conditions that can trigger violent and bizzare behavior. Please do not confuse those conditions with Asperger's syndrome. People with Asperger's syndrome have a tough enough time getting by without being pegged as potential massd murderers. They often lack what we consider normal social skills, and so they can stand out like a sore thumb, but it does not affect their moral antenna.While I am not a mental health professional, if you were to check with a competent mental health professional I'm sure he or she would confirm the accuracy of this response.

Swampy

Swampy

:agree:

Cantwaittoarrive 12-30-2012 08:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Villages PL (Post 600995)
Have I missed something? I thought there was going to be an investigation to find a motive for the shooting. Did the shooter have a mental condition? I think I heard that his mother was thinking of committing him to some sort of institution. Or perhaps it was just a threat.

I think I heard that she compared him to her students. She might have bragged about how good they were and then perhaps wondered why he couldn't be more like them. That would explain a lot.

I have a hunch: What if they both had a mental condition that went undiagnosed. For example, what if they both had undiagnosed Asperger's syndrome? It has been known to run in families, right?

I don't get the point of the post. It looks like you missed everything. The majority of what you imply was dismissed within a day of the shooting, so if you haven't kept up on any of the actual facts how would you know if there has been any investigation or not?

Taltarzac725 12-30-2012 08:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bobbie416 (Post 601087)
Thank you for clearing up the issue regarding Aspergers syndrome. I would say that it is fairly obvious that the shooter suffered from some kind of mental illness or how could he have done what he did? However, people with Aspergers are not a danger to society. A very good example of someone with Aspergers, I believe, is Sheldon on Big Bang Theory.

Charles Manson, Ted Bundy and other notorious killers in US criminal history did terrible deeds but I would not call any of these people criminally insane. They planned very carefully most of the time for the evil deeds they did. I just see the Newtown mass murderer as being in some kind of deranged rage twisted around his mother's feelings towards him and her plan to have him committed. If that was truly her plan, she obvioulsy thought he had mental problems.

The Manson prosecutor had some comments on the insanity of Charles Manson. He was evil and not mentally ill. Q&A: Vincent Bugliosi on Charles Manson - TIME

Villages PL 12-30-2012 04:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cantwaittoarrive (Post 601242)
I don't get the point of the post. It looks like you missed everything. The majority of what you imply was dismissed within a day of the shooting, so if you haven't kept up on any of the actual facts how would you know if there has been any investigation or not?

Thanks to everyone for posting. I forgot to say that I don't have television so I'm sure I did miss a lot. What little I know is from the Daily Sun and radio news reports.

When I gave the example of Asperger's Syndrome, it was simply an example. The word example means: One of a number of things. I wondered what would happen if two people in a family, both with Asperger's, had arguments. If they can't read each others body language or facial expressions, how do they know when enough is enough? How do they know where the breaking point is? I simply don't know and I worry about it because I am associated with a similar situation.


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