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sunny46 04-15-2014 02:57 PM

Which palm?
 
We lost 3 queen palms, so we are trying to gather more info before replacing them. What about the European Fan and does anyone know how much we can expect to pay for a 30 gallon one and the install? Thanks for your help.

travelguy 04-15-2014 03:35 PM

Village Palms always has a good selection of European Fan Palms. A 30 gallon tree usually cost $300.00 which includes delivery and installation. The nursery is located on CR 466, just before Rolling Acres Rd. in Lady Lake.

mulligan 04-15-2014 03:38 PM

Be very careful because if the cause of your previous palm's demise was ganoderma, or butt rot, you shouldn't put any species of palm back in the same location. The disease is in the soil.

jimbo2012 04-15-2014 03:41 PM

you can also shop Home Depot, 1 year guaranty

30 gal $125-$150

JP 04-15-2014 04:00 PM

I like european palms, fan palms and sylvester palms.

The european and fan are more low growing over a longer period of time, the sylvester palm is very pretty with a very distinct trunk and a nice canopy.

I would think if you were replacing queen palms, the sylvester may be the best choice due to its look and height.

jimbo2012 04-15-2014 04:02 PM

Well if you want the look of a Queen without the problems a Mule will be my first choice.

Bonanza 04-15-2014 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by sunny46 (Post 862655)
We lost 3 queen palms, so we are trying to gather more info before replacing them. What about the European Fan and does anyone know how much we can expect to pay for a 30 gallon one and the install? Thanks for your help.

Instead of a palm, have you considered a "real" tree?

A shade tree, perhaps, or an ornamental flowering tree?

Why does it have to be another palm?
You may have a problem when you plant in the exact same place.

jebartle 04-16-2014 04:08 AM

Ahhh!....so true
 
The best replacement, ANYTHING but a Palm....LOTS of maintenance and the roaches LOVE them!




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Originally Posted by jimbo2012 (Post 862711)
Well if you want the look of a Queen without the problems a Mule will be my first choice.


redwitch 04-16-2014 05:47 AM

Another vote for anything but a palm. Central Florida is not in the tropics. Palms belong elsewhere. They're prone to diseases, attract bugs and rats. Yup, Miami can have 'em.

tainsley 04-16-2014 06:12 AM

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I have five different palms (Chinese fan palm, Sylvester, three trunk queen, Washingtonian, robellini) that were planted about 2.5 years ago. They are all thriving. Have never seen bugs or rats! Hope it continues! I do protect the robellini in the cold weather by wrapping it.

jimbo2012 04-16-2014 07:11 AM

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Originally Posted by tainsley (Post 862940)
I have five different palms (Chinese fan palm, Sylvester, three trunk queen, Washingtonian, robellini) that were planted about 2.5 years ago. They are all thriving. Have never seen bugs or rats! Hope it continues! I do protect the robellini in the cold weather by wrapping it.

I agree, and I have over 30 palms, love 'em

Bonanza 04-17-2014 05:19 AM

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Originally Posted by tainsley (Post 862940)
I have five different palms (Chinese fan palm, Sylvester, three trunk queen, Washingtonian, robellini) that were planted about 2.5 years ago. They are all thriving. Have never seen bugs or rats! Hope it continues! I do protect the robellini in the cold weather by wrapping it.

You have all those palms and have never seen bugs???!?
Generally, you will never see cockroaches except at night
and that goes for many other bugs.

One thing I can promise you is that they ARE there and
they are plentiful!

gomoho 04-17-2014 06:03 AM

I love my palms, especially the one planted right by my enclosed lanai - when the windows are open the sound of the fronds rustling in the breeze can't be beat. Haven't had a problem. Also had them in Jax Beach and never had a problem. I think this is an urban myth.

jimbo2012 04-17-2014 06:19 AM

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Originally Posted by gomoho (Post 863473)
I think this is an urban myth.

I agree without proof aka pics here in TV & based on my palms I don't see the bugs.

I did read however that the dead fronds need to be trimmed if those are left there is chance the bugs will find a spot in decaying fronds.

Not sure why folks wish to find fault with these beautiful plants

getdul981 04-17-2014 06:36 AM

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Originally Posted by jimbo2012 (Post 863476)
I agree without proof aka pics here in TV & based on my palms I don't see the bugs.

I did read however that the dead fronds need to be trimmed if those are left there is chance the bugs will find a spot in decaying fronds.

Not sure why folks wish to find fault with these beautiful plants

Don't the anoles eat the roaches or at least their eggs? I haven't seen any roaches or much of anything like that, but I sure have seen plenty of anoles.

jimbo2012 04-17-2014 06:42 AM

They are to small to eat roaches, but the eggs I would guess yes.

JP 04-17-2014 07:37 AM

I haven't really noticed any bugs or rats around or in my palms and I think I pay pretty close attention to that kind of stuff.
I too love the sound of the palm fronds in the breeze when I am sitting on my linai.
We are in Florida. Florida is for palms.

Bonanza 04-18-2014 01:39 AM

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Originally Posted by JP (Post 863507)
I haven't really noticed any bugs or rats around or in my palms and I think I pay pretty close attention to that kind of stuff.
I too love the sound of the palm fronds in the breeze when I am sitting on my linai.
We are in Florida. Florida is for palms.

You won't see the roaches or rats unless
you're outside during the wee small hours of the night.
The rats nest at the top and the bugs are in the dead
and dried out parts along the trunk, usually high up also.

The rustling of the leaves in a tree make the same sound
as the palm fronds when there's a breeze.

I guess you haven't been here long enough to want shade --
to keep both you and your house cooler :thumbup:, or else
it just doesn't matter to you.

gomoho 04-18-2014 05:59 AM

Bonanza - respectfully disagree. There is no comparison between the sound of palm fronds and an oak tree when the wind blows. I really don't believe a palm tree automatically equates to bugs and rats. As someone said, if they are pruned and cared for properly you eliminate that problem. Perhaps you've been here so long you can no longer appreciate their beauty!

Lovey2 04-18-2014 07:01 AM

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Originally Posted by gomoho (Post 863882)
Bonanza - respectfully disagree. There is no comparison between the sound of palm fronds and an oak tree when the wind blows. I really don't believe a palm tree automatically equates to bugs and rats. As someone said, if they are pruned and cared for properly you eliminate that problem. Perhaps you've been here so long you can no longer appreciate their beauty!

Same here! Having lived in SW Fl for 23 years and had my share of palm trees, I can attest that you DONT only see roaches and rats at night! If they are there, you will see them. We lived on a canal and NEVER had rats in our trees, although quite a few neighbors did. They (the neighbor's, not the rats)were seasonal, and we were there all year, taking care of our trees and always outside in the pool cage...and we had a cat. I am actually a little disappointed here, because I immediately got rock, not to have the mulch(s) for the palmetto/bug attraction, but I have been here a year and have not seen 1. I rather prefer the look of mulch, but just don't wanna play in the yard as much as I did before. Also, don't notice as many anoles as we had there...a big disappointment to out cats, but they do seem to be multiplying recently. My only advice as far as palms go, is get something that will stay relatively short at the frond height. We had coconut palms, and after a while,the truck was all you saw when looking at the house, the fronds were wayyyyy up high. I think cabbage palms are slow growers, and Christmas tree palms. Had a few of each.

tainsley 04-18-2014 07:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Bonanza (Post 863462)
You have all those palms and have never seen bugs???!?
Generally, you will never see cockroaches except at night
and that goes for many other bugs.

One thing I can promise you is that they ARE there and
they are plentiful!

Actually I have nine palms. Never saw a rat or a roach. Spend most of my time outdoors gardening and a good part of the evening as my backyard is my favorite room in the house!

jimbo2012 04-18-2014 07:53 AM

look this debate is silly, only one person says there's bugs without proof and more than enough said there isn't.

Lets move on......

tainsley 04-18-2014 07:56 AM

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...I worry more about the aphids and other insects attacking my hibiscus and tomato plants!

Bonanza 04-19-2014 02:46 AM

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Originally Posted by gomoho (Post 863882)
Bonanza - respectfully disagree. There is no comparison between the sound of palm fronds and an oak tree when the wind blows. I really don't believe a palm tree automatically equates to bugs and rats. As someone said, if they are pruned and cared for properly you eliminate that problem. Perhaps you've been here so long you can no longer appreciate their beauty!

No, on the contrary -- I do like most palms and some of them are very beautiful.
But I do get tired of the repeated palm look that prevails
throughout most sections of The Villages.
Truthfully, I don't think much about the sound of the wind
through the palm fronds.
I much prefer the sound of chirping birds flying from one tree to another.
I also like the fact that trees provide shade and keep your house cooler.

Bonanza 04-19-2014 03:09 AM

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Originally Posted by jimbo2012 (Post 863939)
look this debate is silly, only one person says there's bugs without proof and more than enough said there isn't.

Lets move on......

The bugs which are attracted to palm trees
is not an old wives' tale or a myth.
It is also not a debate;
my comments are based on cold, hard facts.


Scale

If you found a lot of little circular, brown colored scales on your palm tree you are in trouble. It’s called “palm leaf scales”. You would never guess but palm leaf scales are actually a mature female small insect. They literally are just a small headless, legless bump and once the female has matured, it is unable to move from where it has planted itself.

Mealybugs

They belong to a family of unarmored scale insects found in moist, warm climates. Mealybug females feed on plant sap, normally in roots or other crevices. They attach themselves to the plant and secrete a powdery wax layer (therefore the name mealybug) used for protection while they suck the plant juices. The males on the other hand, are short-lived as they do not feed at all as adults and only live to fertilize the females.

Cabbage Palm Caterpillar

Cabbage palm caterpillars, found throughout Florida, target the cabbage palmetto almost exclusively. They rarely kill palm trees but the insects do destroy the trees' blossoms. They are a nuisance to humans as well because they often enter homes looking for suitable places to pupate. Control by insecticides is possible under certain circumstances if carefully managed.

Giant Palm Borer

The borer is a large and quite ugly beetle whose larvae have a taste for the wood of the Washingtonia and Phoenix varieties. Borer grubs can live inside a palm trunk for up to nine years before exiting as beetles through quarter-sized holes.

Palm Budworm

The budworm is a beetle whose larvae feed on the flowers of a range of fan palms. The caterpillars are about an inch long and a pinky-green in color.


Palmetto Weevil

The Palmetto Weevil can be found throughout Florida, as far west as southern Texas and as far north as South Carolina. It is North America's largest weevil. This pest has a taste primarily for the Cabbage Palm (sabal palmetto) although it will infest Saw Palmettos (serrenoa repens) and, occasionally, Canary Island Date Palms (phoenix canariensis), Washington Palms (washingtonia), Royal Palms (roystonea), and some coconut palms.


Royal Palm Bug

The Royal Palm Bug is an unusual insect. It feeds on only one plant, the royal palm, and the female lays one egg a day during the spring, a little like a chicken. The bugs rarely kill the host tree but the damage they do can be unsightly and they are difficult to control given the height of mature royal palms. These insects are the only North American members of the Thaumastocoridae family.

The above is just a small synopsis of some of the pests which invade palms. There are, however, plenty more critters.

jimbo2012 04-19-2014 06:29 AM

without citing a source for your facts, they have little merit IMO

Moreover, any fact you may find in support needs to be from this area or plant zone.

For example you talk about the Royal palm bug but In Florida, royal palm distribution is limited to the southern third of the peninsula.
Not here

the fact remains no one else that owns palms here has concurred with your opinion.

U don't like them we get that

If this were a poll you would not win your argument.


I'm outta here.

Challenger 04-19-2014 07:39 AM

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Originally Posted by jimbo2012 (Post 864439)
without citing a source for your facts, they have little merit IMO

Moreover, any fact you may find in support needs to be from this area or plant zone.

For example you talk about the Royal palm bug but In Florida, royal palm distribution is limited to the southern third of the peninsula.
Not here

the fact remains no one else that owns palms here has concurred with your opinion.

U don't like them we get that

If this were a poll you would not win your argument.


I'm outta here.

I love the Palm look in TV- Wish more people would lanscape with Palms.


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