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CFrance 05-03-2014 02:34 PM

Ding-Dong... Alligator calling!
 
If you go to the online newspaper, you will see a video of an alligator walking around someone's sidewalk in Pennecamp. Yikes!

Bogie Shooter 05-03-2014 03:30 PM

Gator will not be around for long.................the trapper has been called.
I wonder why? Just because the gator wandered thru a yard? Now it will become a purse!

Tom Hannon 05-03-2014 03:57 PM

Last week in Buttonwood these was a. Loose gator on Triggerfish. He managed to get to the RedFish pond before trappers came to take him away
I wonder if this is the same one.

CFrance 05-03-2014 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Tom Hannon (Post 872520)
Last week in Buttonwood these was a. Loose gator on Triggerfish. He managed to get to the RedFish pond before trappers came to take him away
I wonder if this is the same one.

Whoever he is, I hope he gets away.:pray:

Tom Hannon 05-03-2014 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by CFrance (Post 872525)
Whoever he is, I hope he gets away.:pray:

I agree. He hasn't attacked anyone. Its mating season. Just looking for a piece of ... Isn't it amazing how far a male will walk and the danger they will risk to get some action.

Barefoot 05-03-2014 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Tom Hannon (Post 872531)
I agree. He hasn't attacked anyone. Its mating season. Just looking for a piece of ... Isn't it amazing how far a male will walk and the danger they will risk to get some action.

I think it was a female.
She had a smile on her face.
Perhaps she recently mated and was looking for a cigarette.

CFrance 05-03-2014 06:38 PM

Again... there's so many places one could go with this! I started a few of them, but decency prevailed.:angel:

maryanna630 05-03-2014 07:54 PM

Geez, I don't understand. These creatures are native to the area; they haven't harmed any humans; why is the first response to kill them?

DougB 05-03-2014 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by maryanna630 (Post 872649)
Geez, I don't understand. These creatures are native to the area; they haven't harmed any humans; why is the first response to kill them?

Rats and poisonous snakes were here first also. You want them strolling around your neighborhood?

Bogie Shooter 05-03-2014 09:17 PM

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gerryann 05-03-2014 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by DougB (Post 872650)
Rats and poisonous snakes were here first also. You want them strolling around your neighborhood?

If they aren't hurting anyone......just leave em alone and they'll leave you alone.

firewalkerb3 05-23-2014 11:37 AM

Not sure where people get their information from about gators. Biggest myth of all is all gators are destroyed after being captured…WRONG. A large number of gators captured by the trapper are relocated not killed.

TheVillageChicken 05-23-2014 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by firewalkerb3 (Post 881828)
Not sure where people get their information from about gators. Biggest myth of all is all gators are destroyed after being captured…WRONG. A large number of gators captured by the trapper are relocated not killed.

I suppose it's because the "myth" is perpetuated by FWC who state on their website that no alligators are relocated.

Statewide Nuisance Alligator Program



Question:


What happens to nuisance alligators when they are removed by trappers?

Answer:


When a nuisance alligator trapper removes an alligator, it becomes the property of the trapper. In most cases, the alligator is killed and processed for its hide and meat. Occasionally, a nuisance alligator is sold alive to an alligator farm, animal exhibit or zoo.

Nuisance alligator trappers work under contract with the FWC. They are not state employees. The sale of the alligator hide and meat is their primary compensation. This system results in tremendous savings to Florida's taxpayers.


Question:


Why does the FWC not relocate nuisance alligators in Florida?

Answer:


Florida has a healthy and stable alligator population. We have about 1.3 million alligators in Florida. Alligators live in all 67 counties, and they inhabit all wild areas of Florida that can support them. The removal of nuisance alligators does not have a significant impact on our state's alligator population.

Relocated alligators often try to return to their capture site. They can create problems for people or other alligators along the way. If an alligator successfully returns, capturing it again would be necessary and likely more difficult the second time.

To avoid creating a problem at the release site, nuisance alligators would need to be relocated to remote areas where they would not encounter people. These remote areas already have healthy alligator populations, and the ones that already live there have established social structures. The introduction of a new alligator to these areas would likely cause fighting, possibly resulting in the death of a resident alligator or the introduced alligator.

skyguy79 05-23-2014 12:48 PM

Ding-Dong... Alligator calling!
 
What was the alligator doing? Going around door to door selling Avon? Didn't it know that there's a no solicitation rule in TV? What nerve! Something should definitely be done about this, or before you know it, other alligators will think they can also go around selling things like purses, shoes or whatever, and soon things will be completely out of control! :cus:

Villageshooter 05-23-2014 12:49 PM

these gators need to get it in there heads ,,,,,, WE ARE HERE NOW! AND WE ARE IN CHARGE LIKE IT OR NOT! if they are so tuff let them charge the square some nite an try to take back this place! we will not give up with out a fight! there is a new sheriff in town (and it is us! ) get used to it!

al & jane 05-23-2014 12:52 PM

The gator activity reminds me of the old country song, "Lookin for love in all the wrong places".

mulligan 05-23-2014 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by maryanna630 (Post 872649)
Geez, I don't understand. These creatures are native to the area; they haven't harmed any humans; why is the first response to kill them?

What would you do ?

maryanna630 05-23-2014 02:17 PM

I would leave it alone. It will find its way back to its habitat. I don't think it wants to be moving into Pennecamp.

CFrance 05-23-2014 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by maryanna630 (Post 881905)
I would leave it alone. It will find its way back to its habitat. I don't think it wants to be moving into Pennecamp.

Ditto

TheVillageChicken 05-23-2014 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by maryanna630 (Post 881905)
I would leave it alone. It will find its way back to its habitat. I don't think it wants to be moving into Pennecamp.

I believe it is looking for a quiet place to swim. It had tried Tierra del Sol pool, but some ladies who were water walking gave it the stink eye. It felt uncomfortable and left.

CFrance 05-23-2014 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by TheVillageChicken (Post 881925)
I believe it is looking for a quiet place to swim. It had tried Tierra del Sol pool, but some ladies who were water walking gave it the stink eye. It felt uncomfortable and left.

Good one.:evil6:

HMLRHT1 05-23-2014 03:21 PM

So all of you dog walkers happen to be minding your own business with Fido and there is a gator who happened to be seen but they decided it would just return to its normal area and wasn't bothering anyone, jumps out and grabs your pooch. Oh my, :22yikes:

CFrance 05-23-2014 03:30 PM

When's the last time that happened, other than the time the dog was unleashed and wandered down to the pond?

Barefoot 05-23-2014 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by HMLRHT1 (Post 881937)
So all of you dog walkers happen to be minding your own business with Fido and there is a gator who happened to be seen but they decided it would just return to its normal area and wasn't bothering anyone, jumps out and grabs your pooch. Oh my, :22yikes:

I've never heard of dogs being attacked by gators unless the dogs were close to a pond or lake.
Does it actually happen on city streets?

buggyone 05-23-2014 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Barefoot (Post 881950)
I've never heard of dogs being attacked by gators unless the dogs were close to a pond or lake.
Does it actually happen on city streets?

No, it does not.

Your dogs have a much greater possibility of putting a Cane Toad in their mouth and dying a horrible death from their poison.

I would also be vigilant about grandkids and Cane Toad interaction.

Don't worry about the alligators.

justjim 05-23-2014 04:17 PM

Gators are dangerous
 
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Originally Posted by maryanna630 (Post 872649)
Geez, I don't understand. These creatures are native to the area; they haven't harmed any humans; why is the first response to kill them?

If you review Threads regarding Alligators, you will find they are very dangerous creatures to deal with. There is now a hunting season for gators because there are too many. They are not pets!

perrjojo 05-23-2014 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by TheVillageChicken (Post 881925)
I believe it is looking for a quiet place to swim. It had tried Tierra del Sol pool, but some ladies who were water walking gave it the stink eye. It felt uncomfortable and left.


OMG...you are so correct...leave them alone and they will choose to go back to their own peaceful habitat.

Steph 05-23-2014 04:47 PM

Newbie question
 
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Originally Posted by buggyone (Post 881953)
No, it does not.

Your dogs have a much greater possibility of putting a Cane Toad in their mouth and dying a horrible death from their poison.

I would also be vigilant about grandkids and Cane Toad interaction.

Don't worry about the alligators.


I'm not worried about the alligators but what is a cane toad? Can you describe what they look like and where they might be lurking.

Steph 05-23-2014 04:51 PM

A newbie question
 
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Originally Posted by buggyone (Post 881953)
No, it does not.

Your dogs have a much greater possibility of putting a Cane Toad in their mouth and dying a horrible death from their poison.

I would also be vigilant about grandkids and Cane Toad interaction.

Don't worry about the alligators.

Not worried about alligators but what is a Cane Toad and where do they hang out? And look like?

Thanks,

pivo 05-23-2014 04:58 PM

I tthink they came from hatie belles

CFrance 05-23-2014 04:59 PM

Steph, I imagine you can google them to get an image, but my advice is if you are walking your dog and see a toad (they are even in the middle of the street in the evening), just steer your dog clear.

I used to walk our dog after dark due to the heat, and he would see the toad in the road first and go into check-it-out mode, which was my clue to shorten the leash.

Carl in Tampa 05-23-2014 05:03 PM

Who?
 
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Originally Posted by TheVillageChicken
I believe it is looking for a quiet place to swim. It had tried Tierra del Sol pool, but some ladies who were water walking gave it the stink eye. It felt uncomfortable and left.
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Originally Posted by perrjojo
OMG...you are so correct...leave them alone and they will choose to go back to their own peaceful habitat.
Who will go back, the gators or the women?

:a040:

Shimpy 05-23-2014 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Steph (Post 881984)
I'm not worried about the alligators but what is a cane toad? Can you describe what they look like and where they might be lurking.

Check this out......Bufo marinus - Giant Toad, Cane Toad, Marine Toad

We had them by the hundreds in S. Florida. My brother's Doberman got ahold of one and nearly died. A small dog would have.
I used to leave my house in the morning before daylight heading to work and try to see how many I could run over in my neighborhood.

mulligan 05-23-2014 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by maryanna630 (Post 881905)
I would leave it alone. It will find its way back to its habitat. I don't think it wants to be moving into Pennecamp.

Not the reply I expected, but the right thing to do IMHO.

Dr Winston O Boogie jr 05-23-2014 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by perrjojo (Post 881976)
OMG...you are so correct...leave them alone and they will choose to go back to their own peaceful habitat.

Peaceful habitat? Isn't it funny how we look out over a swamp and think about how peaceful it is. It may look that way from afar. It may be for us who are in no danger, but wild habitats are anything but peaceful. Animals die every day from being eaten alive by other animals. Nature is anything but peaceful and safe. It is violent and dangerous. Most animals are constantly on the lookout for other animals that want them for lunch.
Alligators are close to the top of the food chain around here except that large birds and snakes eat the babies. Think that's so peaceful? You're a mommy alligator looking after your brood and suddenly a large egret sweeps down and peacefully snatches up one of your young'uns. The sweet baby alligator is then bitten and chewed for several minutes until it's dead.
Then again, alligators do this to all sorts of other animals all the time. And if you're not careful and allow them to remain in places where people live they will do it to you dog, cat or even a small child. This happens several times a year in the state of Florida and I would guess that it happens anywhere that people live near alligators.
As the article by FSW states, if a gator is relocated it will probably either be killed or kill another gator. Isn't it much more humane to put a bullet in their brain and end their life without pain?
The only other alternative that I can think of would be not live in close proximity of alligators. If you believe that is the way to go then you'd be in favor of destroying the entire Villages and every other development in Florida, Alabama, Louisiana, Texas and many in Georgia and the Carolinas.
The fact is that if we humans are going to live anywhere, we are going to disrupt the habitats of animals. There is no living in peace and harmony with nature. Like I said, nature is cruel and violent. It is kill or be killed.

Carl in Tampa 05-23-2014 05:38 PM

Reaching an agreement.
 
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Originally Posted by gerryann (Post 872698)
If they aren't hurting anyone......just leave em alone and they'll leave you alone.

If there is no control there is a great likelihood that the area will become overrun with alligators.

Can the "leave them alone" supporters come up with a number of gators-per-yard beyond which we can all agree that some gators must be removed?

What might that number be?

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PaPaLarry 05-23-2014 05:47 PM

There's nothing like "The ultimate of surprise". Especially when you walk out at night!

Dr Winston O Boogie jr 05-23-2014 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Carl in Tampa (Post 882010)
If there is no control there is a great likelihood that the area will become overrun with alligators.

Can the "leave them alone" supporters come up with a number of gators-per-yard beyond which we can all agree that some gators must be removed?

What might that number be?

.

And if we leave them alone, are we guaranteed that they will leave us alone? Alligators are instinctive creatures. They don't so much think as they simple act on urged. Their miniscule brain basically just keeps their bodily functions going they have no sense of right or wrong or pain or pleasure. They just kill and eat things without knowing why.
In all they are not much different than an insect. They are certainly less intelligent and sentient than a fish.

CFrance 05-23-2014 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Carl in Tampa (Post 881998)
Who will go back, the gators or the women?

:a040:

:a20::a20: Hopefully all of them!

tudacee 05-24-2014 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by CFrance (Post 881913)
Ditto


Wonder if you'd feel the same if it was in your neighborhood? I walk my little Napoleon on triggerfish and frankly, I'm glad they got rid of it. And what if my little granddaughter was with me? Wild life is fine, but not on my street thank you very much.


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