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buggyone 09-06-2014 08:42 AM
Time to disarm?
 
Is there a time in life to turn in your pistol?

There have been threads on seniors having mental issues or physical issues and they have an anger problem about having driving privilege taken away by family or even the state for their safety and safety of others.

How about personal firearms? I personally know of one very senior man confined to a wheelchair. He keeps a loaded pistol in the side pocket of the wheelchair.

CFrance 09-06-2014 08:46 AM
Interesting question, and I hope someone has the common sense or legal ability to disarm him. Perhaps a call to the police instead of his family?

Dr Winston O Boogie jr 09-06-2014 09:00 AM
I don't believe that the right to bear arms is extended to the mentally ill. Just as convicted felons can have this right taken away, so can people with mental illness.

casita37 09-06-2014 09:09 AM
The family seems rather cold and uncaring. Buggy, does he leave the house and take the gun with him?

NoMoSno 09-06-2014 09:14 AM
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Originally Posted by buggyone (Post 933986)
He has pulled it and waved it around when angry.
It is very simple.
What he his doing is illegal.
Report this to any law enforcement, and his CWP permit, will be revoked, and firearms taken if deemed mentally ill.

Rango 09-06-2014 10:03 AM
Brandishing a fire arm is illegal and punishable by 5 years in prison

dbussone 09-06-2014 10:20 AM
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Originally Posted by buggyone (Post 933986)
Is there a time in life to turn in your pistol?



There have been threads on seniors having mental issues or physical issues and they have an anger problem about having driving privilege taken away by family or even the state for their safety and safety of others.



How about personal firearms? I personally know of one very senior man who has some dementia going on and is confined to a wheelchair. He keeps a loaded pistol in the side pocket of the wheelchair. He has pulled it and waved it around when angry. His family was notified but won't do anything saying it his right to be armed.



Would the family be liable for their inaction if he shot someone?

I would hope that his family would have responded differently. If I ever get to that point I'd like to believe my kids would intervene - whether we are discussing CWP or driving licenses.

Cajulian 09-06-2014 10:23 AM
Showing or displaying a firearm in your own home is not against the law, as someone stated here. That is, unless the individual was attempting to potentially harm someone with it that was not posing a threat of great bodily harm or death.

Brandishing or displaying outside your residence is a crime unless warranted by imminent threat of death.

If the legal firearm owner is mentally ill of unsafe, then his permit should be revoked. And his family should be cognizant of his health and take proper action for his own safety as well as others.

dbussone 09-06-2014 10:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Cajulian (Post 934038)
Showing or displaying a firearm in your own home is not against the law, as someone stated here. That is, unless the individual was attempting to potentially harm someone with it that was not posing a threat of great bodily harm or death.

Brandishing or displaying outside your residence is a crime unless warranted by imminent threat of death.

If the legal firearm owner is mentally ill of unsafe, then his permit should be revoked.

You are correct. I believe a recently enacted law made display and/or firing of a warming shot legal if done under certain circumstances.

Taltarzac725 09-06-2014 10:54 AM
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Originally Posted by buggyone (Post 933986)
Is there a time in life to turn in your pistol?

There have been threads on seniors having mental issues or physical issues and they have an anger problem about having driving privilege taken away by family or even the state for their safety and safety of others.

How about personal firearms? I personally know of one very senior man confined to a wheelchair. He keeps a loaded pistol in the side pocket of the wheelchair.
Is there any more to this? History of elder abuse or other kind of abuse in the family? Is he retired military/police?

I am not sure a license to carry would apply if he is just in the wheelchair at home with a weapon?

dbussone 09-06-2014 11:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Taltarzac725 (Post 934057)
Is there any more to this? History of elder abuse or other kind of abuse in the family? Is he retired military/police?



I am not sure a license to carry would apply if he is just in the wheelchair at home with a weapon?

I believe your last point is well stated. It's a shame his family won't make the dough decision.

dbussone 09-06-2014 11:04 AM
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Originally Posted by dbussone (Post 934060)
I believe your last point is well stated. It's a shame his family won't make the dough decision.

Tough not dough.

graciegirl 09-06-2014 11:24 AM
Whoops. I just read where Buggyone says he has pulled it and waved it around when he was angry.


So that puts a different slant on this.

When I first moved to The Villages it was my first experience to know anyone who had a gun other than those who used them for hunting as they do in the Midwest. I was first shocked and appalled but now that I realize how many people have them here and how ordinary they all seem to be, and how well trained they are, well, now.. I feel


safer.

Chi-Town 09-06-2014 11:35 AM
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There are wheelchair holsters which look pretty safe.

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NoMoSno 09-06-2014 11:43 AM
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Originally Posted by buggyone (Post 933986)
Is there a time in life to turn in your pistol?

There have been threads on seniors having mental issues or physical issues and they have an anger problem about having driving privilege taken away by family or even the state for their safety and safety of others.

How about personal firearms? I personally know of one very senior man confined to a wheelchair. He keeps a loaded pistol in the side pocket of the wheelchair.
Why did you edit your post, removing the part about him waving it around when he was angry?

zcaveman 09-06-2014 11:50 AM
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Originally Posted by NoMoSno (Post 934075)
Why did you edit your post, removing the part about him waving it around when he was angry?
Thank you. It changes the whole context of the thread.

When I read the thread, that comment was gone, so I would have defended him. But with that comment, it change the entire thread. If I lived with him, I would remove the gun when he was sleeping and turned it over to the police so he could not get it back without a court order.

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TNLAKEPANDA 09-06-2014 12:52 PM
When he goes to sleep just remove the firing pin. He will feel safe with is gun at his side but will not be able to shoot anyone. You could also replace all the ammo with blanks. However is he truly is mentally ill the gun should be removed.

rubicon 09-06-2014 12:58 PM
I don't own a gun never had and said i never would but living in today's world is beginning to give me pause. With the continuing and national debate concerning gun control sales of gun and permits just keeps rising. I am a second amendments kind of guy.

Opponents always point to problems but ignore the millions upon millions of gun owners that carry on with their live uneventfully

manaboutown 09-06-2014 03:27 PM
If dementia has set in then some big changes need to be made. However, having a gun at hand can save a potential victim's life. http://www.nraila.org/gun-laws/armed-citizen.aspx

buggyone 09-06-2014 03:46 PM
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Originally Posted by NoMoSno (Post 934075)
Why did you edit your post, removing the part about him waving it around when he was angry?
I edited it because I did not have personal proof of it but only hearsay. I have criticized others on their hearsay evidence and I thought better of it.

dbussone 09-06-2014 04:06 PM
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Originally Posted by buggyone (Post 934186)
I edited it because I did not have personal proof of it but only hearsay. I have criticized others on their hearsay evidence and I thought better of it.

Well done Buggy!

Bizdoc 09-06-2014 04:22 PM
Being in a wheelchair is not, in of itself, reason to revoke a CCW permit. If he has diagnosed as having mental health issues or if his behavior becomes threatening, then a report to the sheriff is in order.

Simply being old is not a reason to take away a CCW pemit any more that it is a reason to take away your driver's license. More people are killed by elderly drivers than by elderly gun owners.

Anyone want to step forward and champion taking away the cars of everyone over, say, 75? Didn't think so.

Bizdoc 09-06-2014 04:24 PM
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Originally Posted by TNLAKEPANDA (Post 934108)
When he goes to sleep just remove the firing pin. He will feel safe with is gun at his side but will not be able to shoot anyone. You could also replace all the ammo with blanks. However is he truly is mentally ill the gun should be removed.
I wonder. If your friends thought you were dangerous behind the wheel, would you be glad if they towed your car away some night?

MikeV 09-06-2014 05:15 PM
I'm with disabling the gun somehow. Having it may make him feel some sense of control in his life because of the disability. Waving it around if true even in his home can be dangerous so I would disable it and not tell him. Taking it out of the house is another matter. If he were to wave it around or even purposely display it that is brandishing and illegal.

BarryRX 09-06-2014 07:39 PM
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Originally Posted by MikeV (Post 934230)
I'm with disabling the gun somehow. Having it may make him feel some sense of control in his life because of the disability. Waving it around if true even in his home can be dangerous so I would disable it and not tell him. Taking it out of the house is another matter. If he were to wave it around or even purposely display it that is brandishing and illegal.
I can't agree (assuming he is no longer mentally competent enough to have a gun) that disabling the weapon is sufficient, only for the reason that if he is out in public and points the gun at someone, he very well may be killed.

Chazz 09-06-2014 08:16 PM
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Originally Posted by BarryRX (Post 934283)
I can't agree (assuming he is no longer mentally competent enough to have a gun) that disabling the weapon is sufficient, only for the reason that if he is out in public and points the gun at someone, he very well may be killed.
Very good point! And, to a lesser degree of trouble, it would surely expose those who came in contact with him to enormous stress, as they wouldn't be able to easily tell that the weapon was disabled.

If there is a concern that the person is mentally unfit, those with knowledge, or suspicion, should report that to law enforcement who would best know how to start the process of evaluating his mental fitness for gun ownership.


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