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graciegirl 09-07-2014 06:01 PM

Over 100,000 people in Chicago are dealing Heroin.
 
On NBC News tonight was this segment, I haven't seen the others but this alone was shocking to me, who considers drugs to be the largest of society's problems.

How Heroin Flows Over the Border and Into Suburbia - NBC News

Highway 290 going through Chicago is called the Heroin Highway.

It is manufactured in Mexico, and it is distributed from El Paso.

We are losing more and more young people to this addiction.


Why can't we stop the cartels???

There aren't enough jails to hold them.

Schaumburger 09-07-2014 06:12 PM

Heroin addiction in the suburbs of Chicago has become a much larger problem than it was 10 years ago. Very sad.

Rags123 09-07-2014 06:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 934635)
On NBC News tonight was this segment, I haven't seen the others but this alone was shocking to me, who considers drugs to be the largest of society's problems.

How Heroin Flows Over the Border and Into Suburbia - NBC News

Highway 290 going through Chicago is called the Heroin Highway.

It is manufactured in Mexico, and it is distributed from El Paso.

We are losing more and more young people to this addiction.


Why can't we stop the cartels???

There aren't enough jails to hold them.


"HOW MEXICO’S CARTELS ARE BEHIND THE BORDER KID CRISIS"



How Mexico

"Ranchers along the Texas border with Mexico are in fear for their lives and the lives of their families.
The Mexican drug cartels are taking over the border."


TX Border Rancher: Cartels Are Taking Over Open US Border – Politicians Are Lying (Video) | The Gateway Pundit

Inevitable if you do not enforce the law on our borders

Chi-Town 09-07-2014 07:02 PM

The article said that there are 669,000 heroin users in the U.S. and one city alone has 100,000 gang members making a living off them. Add other cities into the mix and that is one labor intensive business.

graciegirl 09-07-2014 07:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chi-Town (Post 934667)
The article said that there are 669,000 heroin users in the U.S. and one city alone has 100,000 gang members making a living off them. Add other cities into the mix and that is one labor intensive business.

Are you sure of the number of users, Chi??? I would think there would be more than the figure you quoted in the U.S.,... Because I did recheck on the documented street gang members, exerpt below in quotes;

"Most of the heroin bound for Chicago crosses the border in the El Paso area, Riley said, and is then placed into the hands of local gang members for distribution. “In Chicago, we’ve got 100,000 documented street gang members who largely make their living putting Mexican cartel heroin on the street.”

chachacha 09-07-2014 07:22 PM

the recent effort to change laws so that drug pushing is a "victimless crime" and should receive lighter sentences is just another example of our twisted system. on the contrary, i think it should be considered on a parr with murder for all the lives it ruins, and the toughest sentences should keep these people off the streets forever. the film We Ride to DC shows how the drugs flow in despite all the technology we have at the border. some powerful group obviously does not want the border secured!

Chi-Town 09-07-2014 07:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 934669)
Are you sure of the number of users, Chi??? I would think there would be more than the figure you quoted in the U.S.,... Because I did recheck on the documented street gang members who are Mexican....exerpt below in quotes

"Most of the heroin bound for Chicago crosses the border in the El Paso area, Riley said, and is then placed into the hands of local gang members for distribution. “In Chicago, we’ve got 100,000 documented street gang members who largely make their living putting Mexican cartel heroin on the street.”

The 669,000 number is from the article in your post. Here's the excerpt:

"The Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration, known as SAMHSA, reports a steady increase in heroin abuse nationwide, with an estimated 669,000 American users in 2012."

A section of the 290 corridor runs through the west side of Chicago which is a haven for gang bangers. I'm not sure about the 100,000 figure. That could be as high as the users number low.

justjim 09-07-2014 07:35 PM

Chicago had 532 murdered in 2012. Over July 4, 2014 weekend 82 were shot and 14 killed in Chicago. Unbelievable statistics.

Heroin wars on the streets of Chicago had a lot to do with the shootings. 100,000 gang members fighting for control. And we thought Capone era was bad---today's street gangs make Big Al look like a Disney character.

l2ridehd 09-08-2014 06:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chachacha (Post 934676)
the recent effort to change laws so that drug pushing is a "victimless crime" and should receive lighter sentences is just another example of our twisted system. on the contrary, i think it should be considered on a parr with murder for all the lives it ruins, and the toughest sentences should keep these people off the streets forever. the film We Ride to DC shows how the drugs flow in despite all the technology we have at the border. some powerful group obviously does not want the border secured!

You identified the root cause of the problem. There are countries that do not have a drug problem. They treat it as a capitol crime with swift and extreme punishment. Usually execution. They know the havoc it will cause and do not allow it. And because the punishment is so severe no one violates that law.

TexaninVA 09-08-2014 06:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chachacha (Post 934676)
the recent effort to change laws so that drug pushing is a "victimless crime" and should receive lighter sentences is just another example of our twisted system. on the contrary, i think it should be considered on a parr with murder for all the lives it ruins, and the toughest sentences should keep these people off the streets forever. the film We Ride to DC shows how the drugs flow in despite all the technology we have at the border. some powerful group obviously does not want the border secured!

Agree totally ... another show that gives insight into the destruction caused by selling drugs for profit is "The Wire." After I saw that show I realized the only rational, and effective, solution is capital punishment ... as in swift ... for all who deal drugs. Set a threshold to avoid nickel /dime dealers, but the big guys should be executed.

buggyone 09-08-2014 07:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TexaninVA (Post 934783)
Agree totally ... another show that gives insight into the destruction caused by selling drugs for profit is "The Wire." After I saw that show I realized the only rational, and effective, solution is capital punishment ... as in swift ... for all who deal drugs. Set a threshold to avoid nickel /dime dealers, but the big guys should be executed.

Yep, the USA is in great company with North Korea, China, Iran, and Yemen for executing people. All the European countries have abolished it.

sunnyatlast 09-08-2014 07:44 AM

A stoner and junkie population is easier to control. Many want it this way--controlled dependents.

"Independence" is not desirable to this crowd.

"It’s not exactly free pot for all, but the Berkeley City Council voted unanimously Tuesday night to amend their medical marijuana ordinance to require that dispensaries give 2% of their weed to very low-income residents and the homeless without charge.

Dispensaries must distribute 2% of the gross weight of all the marijuana they sell and it can’t be skunk weed. It has to be at least “the same quality on average” as what the paying customers get. That might be a tough one to regulate.

It should be easier to determine who qualifies. For now, any individual making less than $32,000 a year or a family of four earning $46,000 qualifies. Councilmember Darryl Moore told CBS Newst, “The city council wants to make sure that low-income, homeless, indigent folks have access to their medical marijuana, their medicine. We think this is the responsible thing to do for those less fortunate in our community.”

The council also expanded the number of dispensaries in the city from three to four and authorized the Planning Commission to consider what expanding to six licensed dispensaries would entail. Nearby San Francisco has dozens, Oakland has eight and Richman has three. But other communities in the area have none, including Walnut Creek, Concord and Moraga.

While Berkeley is trying to open more dispensaries, the U.S. Attorney’s Office is striving mightily to close them. By Berkeley Medical Cannabis Commission member Charles Pappas’ count, the U.S. attorney has closed 11 dispensaries in San Francisco and threatened a lot more in the Bay Area.

The state went after the Berkeley Patients Group (BPG), one of California’s largest dispensaries, in February 2011. The Board of Equalization (BoE) claimed that the group owed more than $6.4 million in back sales tax and interest for years 2004-2007. That figure grew to $7.5 million. The group, which started paying the sales tax in 2007, argued that it didn’t have to pony up because marijuana qualified as non-taxable medicine at a time when the laws were murky. They settled a year ago for $49,500.

The drug laws are still murky. Marijuana is illegal under federal law. California voters legalized it in 1996 for medical use and authorized dispensaries in 2004.

The U.S. Attorney’s office came after BPG in May 2012. The group was forced to move from its home of 12 years, which was 906 feet from a school (the requirement was 1,000 feet) and relocated to shabbier digs blocks away. They are expected to be back in court later this year, but in the meantime a spokesman told Al Jazeera that the group will continue its own 15-year-old policy of handing out marijuana to the needy.

While Berkeley is gravitating toward so-called “weed welfare,” Congress is making noise about going in another direction.

Representative Paul Gosar (R-Arizona) has introduced H.R. 4142, the “No Weed for Welfare Act.” It would prohibit marijuana from being bought by people using Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF) or the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance (SNAP) programs. The latter is more commonly known as food stamps. His bill would add marijuana to the list of indulgences welfare recipients must avoid, including strip clubs, liquor and casinos.

The legislation was introduced March 4 and, according to govtrack, it has 0% chance of being enacted."


Controversies - Berkeley Approves

Uptown Girl 09-08-2014 10:23 AM

In reference to Heroin trafficking, I always wondered why the Mexican Government never offered any help on their end- What do you guys think of this man's opinion?

Best Way to Prevent Illegal Immigration from Central America: Stop the Train in Mexico | RedState

TexaninVA 09-08-2014 10:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by buggyone (Post 934798)
Yep, the USA is in great company with North Korea, China, Iran, and Yemen for executing people. All the European countries have abolished it.

Actually, the USA has a soft headed policy, based on the usual soft headed thinking, that in effect allows the drug problem to spread like a cancer, destroy million of lives ... and yet even that level of destruction is not enough for some people to want to introduce harsher measure to actually eliminate the problem.

Talk about a huge disconnect between intentions and results ... and speaking of the noble Europeans ... their drug problem will be gone in about 100 years when the Muslim birthrate and demographics takes care of that with the introduction of Sharia law but that's another thread

graciegirl 09-08-2014 11:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AutoBike (Post 934915)
I was a big fan of The Wire, too. The message I got from it was "set up drug enforcement-free zones and crime goes DOWN."
Drugs, like alcohol during prohibition, have a greatly inflated price because of the risk associated with trafficking them. Take the risk out and the cartels lose $100Billions worth of value overnight. They wouldn't be able to afford the cost to keep their armies of dealers and enforcers as well as pay off local and national politicians.
The ripple effect in the US would be staggering. Reduced policing costs, prisons, courts, etc. The elimination of the DEA alone would save taxpayers $2.36Billion/year, according to their 2012FY budget.
1/4 of the 2million Americans in jails and prisons are there for drug offenses. That's 500,000 people that we are paying up to $50k/year to incarcerate.

The bottom line is: Thanks to tough US Drug Laws, there's lots of money to be made in illegal drugs. And when you're living in the ghetto with no way out, legally, selling drugs is often the only way out in their minds.




I don't think that would work. There is this little issue of addiction to Heroin.

buggyone 09-08-2014 11:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TexaninVA (Post 934901)
Actually, the USA has a soft headed policy, based on the usual soft headed thinking, that in effect allows the drug problem to spread like a cancer, destroy million of lives ... and yet even that level of destruction is not enough for some people to want to introduce harsher measure to actually eliminate the problem.

Talk about a huge disconnect between intentions and results ... and speaking of the noble Europeans ... their drug problem will be gone in about 100 years when the Muslim birthrate and demographics takes care of that with the introduction of Sharia law but that's another thread

I believe that Sharia law is completely against drug use and trafficing. I also believe their penalty for it is execution. Are you inferring you are in favor of law similar to Sharia law in the USA? Sure sounds like it.

eweissenbach 09-08-2014 12:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 934669)
Are you sure of the number of users, Chi??? I would think there would be more than the figure you quoted in the U.S.,... Because I did recheck on the documented street gang members, exerpt below in quotes;

"Most of the heroin bound for Chicago crosses the border in the El Paso area, Riley said, and is then placed into the hands of local gang members for distribution. “In Chicago, we’ve got 100,000 documented street gang members who largely make their living putting Mexican cartel heroin on the street.”

The way I read that is that there are 100,000 documented street gang members. Of those their money largely comes from Mexican cartel heroin. I would assume some are dealers, while others are runners, and others are enforcers, and others are petty thieves etc. etc. Just my interpretation, but 100 k actually dealing sounds like they would be glutting the market.

Villages PL 09-08-2014 12:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 934635)
On NBC News tonight was this segment, I haven't seen the others but this alone was shocking to me, who considers drugs to be the largest of society's problems.

How Heroin Flows Over the Border and Into Suburbia - NBC News

Highway 290 going through Chicago is called the Heroin Highway.

It is manufactured in Mexico, and it is distributed from El Paso.

We are losing more and more young people to this addiction.

Another health related issue? I guess I'm not the only one interested in health issues.

However, I wonder why the worrying is so selective. Many more people die each year from doctor prescribed drugs at hospitals and clinics etc.. Many deaths, for example, are due to prescription errors and drug mix-ups at hospitals. Some deaths may be due to patients making errors themselves.

Legal drugs are the 3rd. leading cause of death.

Adults are teaching kids by example that drugs are the answer to all our problems.

Indydealmaker 09-08-2014 12:12 PM

A populace on drugs is not as likely to oppose increased government controls.

rubicon 09-08-2014 12:17 PM

The depiction of heroin and cocaine users and dealers by the movie/television industry romanticizes rather than condemns such practices and speaks to how accustom this country has become to this scenario.

I am afraid that our laws need to deal more severely with violators because this is only going to worsen

buggyone 09-08-2014 12:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rubicon (Post 934932)
The depiction of heroin and cocaine users and dealers by the movie/television industry romanticizes rather than condemns such practices and speaks to how accustom this country has become to this scenario.

I am afraid that our laws need to deal more severely with violators because this is only going to worsen

I cannot recall any movie or television show that romanticizes heroin usage. It is usually thought of as the worst drug to get hooked on and the users and pushers are on the lowest rung of the ladder.

Odd to me that the ones who continuously preach less government interference and fewer laws are saying just the opposite and are talking of an equal to Sharia law punishment for drug offenders.

TexaninVA 09-08-2014 12:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by buggyone (Post 934924)
I believe that Sharia law is completely against drug use and trafficing. I also believe their penalty for it is execution. Are you inferring you are in favor of law similar to Sharia law in the USA? Sure sounds like it.


No, obviously I am not in favor of Sharia law. My point is that, ironically enough, the “enlightened” Europeans who do not have the death penalty while allowing drug usage to spread, will one day end up living under Sharia. The bigger causal factors are the loss of their Christian faith and yuppie demographics. As I said, this is really a topic for a separate thread.

So, back to the topic at hand. Some questions…

1. What would you do to reduce or eliminate drugs in the US?

2. Do you agree that illegal drugs have a devastating impact and ruin millions of lives, especially in the inner city?

3. Do you think it’s really “compassionate” to argue against the death penalty (ie for major drug dealers) as one means of actually eradicating the problem?

Topspinmo 09-08-2014 01:00 PM

Illegal drugs will not be taken seriously until all the movie stars, lawyers, and college graduates can kick the habit. :22yikes:Just like illegal's entering the country.:22yikes: Taking away the businessman cheap labor nothing will be done about border crossings. Who's businessmen?:$: who own land and need the labor to pick crops, who provides gardening/landscaping, who needs live in maid, who provides roofs repair, who need tables cleared, who needs construction day labor, and the who needs the illegal votes:censored: ECT... the list goes on, but nothing gets done.

eweissenbach 09-08-2014 01:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rc Moser (Post 934956)
Illegal drugs will not be taken seriously until all the movie stars, lawyers, and college graduates can kick the habit. :22yikes:Just like illegal's entering the country.:22yikes: Taking away the businessman cheap labor nothing will be done about border crossings. Who's businessmen?:$: who own land and need the labor to pick crops, who provides gardening/landscaping, who needs live in maid, who provides roofs repair, who need tables cleared, who needs construction day labor, and the who needs the illegal votes:censored: ECT... the list goes on, but nothing gets done.

The job creators!! :22yikes:

graciegirl 09-08-2014 01:08 PM

To THOSE against REALLY STIFF PUNISHMENT...
 
WHAT would you do?
I ask.. WHAT WOULD YOU DO??

Deport them? PUT them in a real prison where they can't get drugs?

buggyone 09-08-2014 01:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TexaninVA (Post 934952)
No, obviously I am not in favor of Sharia law. My point is that, ironically enough, the “enlightened” Europeans who do not have the death penalty while allowing drug usage to spread, will one day end up living under Sharia. The bigger causal factors are the loss of their Christian faith and yuppie demographics. As I said, this is really a topic for a separate thread.

So, back to the topic at hand. Some questions…

1. What would you do to reduce or eliminate drugs in the US?

2. Do you agree that illegal drugs have a devastating impact and ruin millions of lives, especially in the inner city?

3. Do you think it’s really “compassionate” to argue against the death penalty (ie for major drug dealers) as one means of actually eradicating the problem?

Personally, I do not have a plan. We have found out that buying off poppy farmers does not work. Heroin is a terrible drug and has ruined lives. Compassion has nothing to do with execution of anyone. It is not a deterrent and has been so proved when done on a haphazard basis. It would be a deterrent if done for everyone who does the same crime without exception.

Would you be comfortable in trading your basic freedoms for the almost perfect crime free nation in the world - Singapore? Of course, it is only 595 square miles but has over 5 million people - and almost all the people obey the letter of their very strict laws. Punishments range from heavy fines for misdemeanors to caning to stiff prison time to execution. No private gun ownership allowed. No drugs allowed. No spitting allowed. No eating durian fruit in public allowed.

graciegirl 09-08-2014 01:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AutoBike (Post 934962)
So what? Alcohol and tobacco are also addictive to millions more ....and legal. We manage those as social problems, not criminal ones.


Not too many break in your house stab you, steal things because of alcohol and tobacco..... Not that there aren't any, BUT Heroin addiction is a different bag of worms.

Most people can stop drinking and smoking but not stop Heroin. AND if you can't work due to being high and thus have no money......the low cost of drugs would still compel people to steal and kill when they needed a fix.

graciegirl 09-08-2014 01:36 PM

Legal drugs are NOT the third leading cause of death. This is 2010, much the same as now but this is a better way to show cause of death of all ages.

http://www.cdc.gov/injury/wisqars/pd...oup_2010-a.pdf

Villages PL 09-08-2014 01:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 934978)
Legal drugs are NOT the third leading cause of death. This is 2010, much the same as now but this is a better way to show cause of death of all ages.

http://www.cdc.gov/injury/wisqars/pd...oup_2010-a.pdf

You won't find it on a list of the leading causes of death due to disease because it's not considered a disease.

You would have to do a separate search for deaths due to (legal) prescription drugs.

DONKEY10 09-08-2014 01:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rags123 (Post 934662)

"HOW MEXICO’S CARTELS ARE BEHIND THE BORDER KID CRISIS"



How Mexico

"Ranchers along the Texas border with Mexico are in fear for their lives and the lives of their families.
The Mexican drug cartels are taking over the border."


TX Border Rancher: Cartels Are Taking Over Open US Border – Politicians Are Lying (Video) | The Gateway Pundit

Inevitable if you do not enforce the law on our borders

Until you secure the border and build a 15 foot brick wall or fence and electrify it this drug and immigration problem will never stop

TexaninVA 09-08-2014 02:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AutoBike (Post 934962)
So what? Alcohol and tobacco are also addictive to millions more ....and legal. We manage those as social problems, not criminal ones.

Talk about apples and oranges ... wow. If you can't really make a distinction here there's not much common ground for a solution

TexaninVA 09-08-2014 02:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by buggyone (Post 934968)
Personally, I do not have a plan. We have found out that buying off poppy farmers does not work. Heroin is a terrible drug and has ruined lives. Compassion has nothing to do with execution of anyone. It is not a deterrent and has been so proved when done on a haphazard basis. It would be a deterrent if done for everyone who does the same crime without exception.

Would you be comfortable in trading your basic freedoms for the almost perfect crime free nation in the world - Singapore? Of course, it is only 595 square miles but has over 5 million people - and almost all the people obey the letter of their very strict laws. Punishments range from heavy fines for misdemeanors to caning to stiff prison time to execution. No private gun ownership allowed. No drugs allowed. No spitting allowed. No eating durian fruit in public allowed.

Well, maybe you should try to come up with some type of plan or solution. As you say, if the death penalty was “done for everyone who does the same crime without exception” and I would add “swiftly” there’s no doubt it would be a major deterrent.

Regarding Singapore … that’s actually a wonderful place to live. Have you ever been there? I remember back many years ago (early 1970s) I was a young Ensign on Shore Patrol duty with my Singapore military counterpart. We had the night shift. He made a claim … he said he could put a wallet with cash hanging out of it on the street, at night, under the light and no one would touch it. Having come from a big city USA I said “no way.” He did it and the wallet was still there in the morning. He explained to me ‘’’ here, in our country, people KNOW that if they break the law they will be punished.” It’s a parliamentary form of government, very wealthy and pretty much crime free. I could think of worse places to live. Come to think of it, Chicago comes to mind.

graciegirl 09-08-2014 03:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Villages PL (Post 934983)
You won't find it on a list of the leading causes of death due to disease because it's not considered a disease.

You would have to do a separate search for deaths due to (legal) prescription drugs.

I thought you were trying to make a point of drugs used to maintain and improve health but obviously you mean drugs used to stop pain, such as oxycodone and morphine that drug users use to get high and combine with other illegal drugs and overdose and die.
Prescription Drug Deaths Increase Dramatically - Scientific American

I was surprised and SHOCKED to see that Oxycodone was the second most commonly used drug prescribed by physicians.
http://www.livestrong.com/article/11...ription-drugs/

Bay Kid 09-09-2014 07:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AutoBike (Post 934997)
Maybe we should have a fleet of drones flying around the border.

Great idea! We send our military all over the world to help protect others borders. Bring the troops home and stop ILLEGALS dead from coming in Illegally. Too simple an idea?

lynxville 09-09-2014 07:38 AM

There is no easy simple solution to our massive drug problem. If it was easy to do we would do it. Legalization has been tried in some countries and that hasn't helped either. We will never stop drugs entering the country until we attempt to stop the demand.

Meth is cheap and easy to make, so even if we could stop smuggling, we still have meth.

Selling drugs is a cash cow that allows the user to make enough money to use drugs. In the inner city it's the lazy persons access to easy money. I believe that the root of the problems in some cases is the breakdown of the family structure. Single moms on welfare, unsupervised children, bad public schools, lack of opportunity, lack of jobs, filth on Tv, in rap music, trash on the web, and on the big screen. Where are the role models for our children?

Our nation sets the bar lower every year and I wonder how rotten it will get in the future. My Dad always said wait and see the children raised by delinquents.

TNLAKEPANDA 09-09-2014 07:46 AM

Hope they all stay up there! You will never stop the drugs.

Villages PL 09-09-2014 11:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 935057)
I thought you were trying to make a point of drugs used to maintain and improve health but obviously you mean drugs used to stop pain, such as oxycodone and morphine that drug users use to get high and combine with other illegal drugs and overdose and die.
Prescription Drug Deaths Increase Dramatically - Scientific American

I was surprised and SHOCKED to see that Oxycodone was the second most commonly used drug prescribed by physicians.
Top 5 Most Commonly Used Prescription Drugs | LIVESTRONG.COM

I found the exact information I was looking for but I think it will be best to start a new thread rather than hijack your thread about cocaine.

graciegirl 09-09-2014 02:21 PM

There would still be incentive to commit crimes unless they were free. Addiction to Heroin kills morals, decency, bonds to family, addicted people would do ANYTHING to get that next fix....

And anyone we have ever taken on as a nation would be like a litter of kittens compared to the drug cartels. Do not underestimate them. They would do anything to get more of them into this country too. ANYTHING.

karostay 09-10-2014 03:02 PM

100,000 overdoses works for me End of problem

graciegirl 09-10-2014 03:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by karostay (Post 936119)
100,000 overdoses works for me End of problem


Sometimes we think along the same lines.


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